PassivePlasmaBeef

(41) Blue Squadron Pilot [A/SF-01 B-wing]
(3) Passive Sensors
(9) Plasma Torpedoes
Points: 53

(41) Blue Squadron Pilot [A/SF-01 B-wing]
(3) Passive Sensors
(9) Plasma Torpedoes
Points: 53

(47) Benthic Two Tubes [UT-60D U-wing]
(6) Leia Organa
Points: 53

(41) Blue Squadron Escort [T-65 X-wing]
Points: 41

Total points: 200

Not sure how competitive this is but I was thinking that Benthic could give a focus to a B-wing that has performed a Passive sensors action, and when the B-wing engages it is able to acquire a target lock for double mods.

It seems.... bad paying 9 points for a 3 die attack on a ship with a 3 die attack.

Keep Passive Sensors but use the Torp points elsewhere IMHO.

If I was going to start with PS B-Wings, I'd start with one with Proton Torps.

Then pick a cornerstone named pilot.

Then consider a 2nd PS Torp B.

Drop the 4th three attack ship for a cheap filler like an A-wing or Z.

I think a single PS Proton B is a really good starting point for the new Rebel Meta. Not necessarily the answer, but worth exploring.

If one is worth it, then test if two are worth it. Etc.

2 hours ago, JBFancourt said:

It seems.... bad paying 9 points for a 3 die attack on a ship with a 3 die attack.

Keep Passive Sensors but use the Torp points elsewhere IMHO.

It does an auto shield damage if it hits, but I get your point...

The biggest issue is if your opponent can IN kill your Bs. Variations of beef could still badly hurt you, especially them or any squads with named guys.

If you can't damage your opponent fast enough the battle will get tougher as it goes on. Benthic passing away his focus means he has no modifiers so you may be putting giant crosshairs on your Leia carrier.

Where’s The Beef

(51) Braylen Stramm [A/SF-01 B-wing]
Points: 51

(48) Ten Numb [A/SF-01 B-wing]
(2) Predator
Points: 50

(51) Cassian Andor [UT-60D U-wing]
(0) Pivot Wing
(6) Leia Organa
Points: 57

(42) Sabine Wren [Attack Shuttle]
Points: 42

Total points: 200

What made beef sooo good was it’s modded attacks and ease of k turning. This keeps 4x 3 die guns with mods. No wedge.... but still good.

OR

Where’s The Beef

(51) Braylen Stramm [A/SF-01 B-wing]
(2) Autoblasters
Points: 53

(48) Ten Numb [A/SF-01 B-wing]
(2) Autoblasters
(1) Marksmanship
Points: 51

(51) Cassian Andor [UT-60D U-wing]
(0) Pivot Wing
(6) Leia Organa
Points: 57

(34) Arvel Crynyd [RZ-1 A-wing]
(3) Intimidation
(2) Predator
Points: 39

Total points: 200

I like this too.

Where’s The Beef

(51) Braylen Stramm [A/SF-01 B-wing]
Points: 51

(48) Ten Numb [A/SF-01 B-wing]
(1) Crack Shot
Points: 49

(51) Cassian Andor [UT-60D U-wing]
(0) Pivot Wing
(6) Leia Organa
Points: 57

(40) "Dutch" Vander [BTL-A4 Y-wing]
(3) Dorsal Turret
Points: 43

Total points: 200

I guess Benthic makes sense, given that he's only 4 points over a Blue Squadron Scout and Tactical Officer now costs 6 points, but it's worth noting that if you're all Init 2, you'll easily be able to coordinate the B-Wing a Focus before it attacks.

As is, I don't really love 2x Plasma Torpedoes. It's probably not too bad with Passive Sensors, since you can switch targets as you activate, but the shield-stripping effect seems like it often won't work on multiple attacks, and focus-fire on one ship is usually the way to go. I can't really work out what else to do, however. The only think which seems maybe worthwhile if cutting Plasmas is Perceptive Copilot on Benthic, since any other option that I try out brings higher-init ships, which means a Passive Sensors Blue isn't going to get the first shot with the Plasma Torpedo, and kind of becomes pointless. Like, going Biggs/Selfless Blade/Benthic/PS Plasma Blue will fit, but then the Blue is attacking like 3rd, and it all seems pointless.

I just wonder if Passive Sensors is the long way around. In order to make PS better than just taking a Focus action, you'll need either Torpedoes (really expensive) or Focus-passing support (also really expensive). Meanwhile, Braylen is still cheaper than a PS Plasma Blue, and doesn't require Benthic to pass him a focus. Cassian is nice to clear the stress easily, but not essential. Other options just seem like a shorter path to the same destination. If it were some thematic list, sure, but it's just Plasma Torpedoes.

4 hours ago, theBitterFig said:

I guess Benthic makes sense, given that he's only 4 points over a Blue Squadron Scout and Tactical Officer now costs 6 points, but it's worth noting that if you're all Init 2, you'll easily be able to coordinate the B-Wing a Focus before it attacks.

As is, I don't really love 2x Plasma Torpedoes. It's probably not too bad with Passive Sensors, since you can switch targets as you activate, but the shield-stripping effect seems like it often won't work on multiple attacks, and focus-fire on one ship is usually the way to go. I can't really work out what else to do, however. The only think which seems maybe worthwhile if cutting Plasmas is Perceptive Copilot on Benthic, since any other option that I try out brings higher-init ships, which means a Passive Sensors Blue isn't going to get the first shot with the Plasma Torpedo, and kind of becomes pointless. Like, going Biggs/Selfless Blade/Benthic/PS Plasma Blue will fit, but then the Blue is attacking like 3rd, and it all seems pointless.

I just wonder if Passive Sensors is the long way around. In order to make PS better than just taking a Focus action, you'll need either Torpedoes (really expensive) or Focus-passing support (also really expensive). Meanwhile, Braylen is still cheaper than a PS Plasma Blue, and doesn't require Benthic to pass him a focus. Cassian is nice to clear the stress easily, but not essential. Other options just seem like a shorter path to the same destination. If it were some thematic list, sure, but it's just Plasma Torpedoes.

If the idea is easy double mods, go all-in with Jake RZ1 and Garvin T65.

Just my two cents.

I can't get away from this for B-Wings:

Blade Squadron Veteran (43)
Marksmanship (1)
Passive Sensors (3)
Autoblasters (2)
Proton Torpedoes (13)
Total: 62

It's super expensive for how fragile the ship is, but it forces a super tough decision for its cost: Do you go for it and have your face melted off, or do you turn away and get autoblasted? You can take two of these and still have 76 points for a stacked ace or two smaller ships.

Put these two on one side and Proton Luke or Outmaneuver Wedge on the other, and there are basically no good choices to be made. Only difficult thing is possibly getting the B-Wings to pursue fast enough. I haven't tried it yet myself (Just got the N-1 and still waiting for Autoblasters to ship).

13 hours ago, ClassicalMoser said:

Only difficult thing is possibly getting the B-Wings to pursue fast enough.

Yeah, that could easily get hard. With 3-straight and 2-bank being their fastest moves, two expensive B-Wings left off to a side might not make it into the fight before you lose that 3rd piece.

The other thing: Marksmanship, Autoblasters, Passive Sensors, Proton Torpedo Rhos only cost 54 points. It'd be pretty easy to add a Shield Upgrade to be the same 8 HP, but with an extra green die, and still 2 points cheaper (and even without the Shield, a Rho is still a hint tougher than a Blade, statistically speaking). Meanwhile, SLAM means they can close distances from across a board.

But Rhos aren't an option in Hyperspace and B-Wings are.

1 hour ago, theBitterFig said:

Yeah, that could easily get hard. With 3-straight and 2-bank being their fastest moves, two expensive B-Wings left off to a side might not make it into the fight before you lose that 3rd piece.

The other thing: Marksmanship, Autoblasters, Passive Sensors, Proton Torpedo Rhos only cost 54 points. It'd be pretty easy to add a Shield Upgrade to be the same 8 HP, but with an extra green die, and still 2 points cheaper (and even without the Shield, a Rho is still a hint tougher than a Blade, statistically speaking). Meanwhile, SLAM means they can close distances from across a board.

But Rhos aren't an option in Hyperspace and B-Wings are.

I know it’s crazy, but... Afterburners?

4-straight or 3-bank and boost can be an incredible surprise from a B-Wing. Very points-heavy though...

11 hours ago, ClassicalMoser said:

I know it’s crazy, but... Afterburners?

4-straight or 3-bank and boost can be an incredible surprise from a B-Wing. Very points-heavy though...

Then the B-Wing is up to 68 points...

Knave with R3 and Proton Torpedoes? 68 points.

Again, E-Wings are not Hyperspace.

6 minutes ago, theBitterFig said:

Then the B-Wing is up to 68 points...

Knave with R3 and Proton Torpedoes? 68 points.

Again, E-Wings are not Hyperspace.

E-Wings also don’t do unblockable crits. Still, E-Wing is much better at getting around and staying alive.

On 7/13/2019 at 11:01 AM, Bucknife said:

If the idea is easy double mods, go all-in with Jake RZ1 and Garvin T65.

Just my two cents.

Blue Squadron Pilot (41)
Passive Sensors (3)
Proton Torpedoes (13)

Blue Squadron Pilot (41)
Passive Sensors (3)
Proton Torpedoes (13)

Garven Dreis (47)
Servomotor S-Foils (0)

Jake Farrell (36)
Predator (2)
Crack Shot (1)
Total: 200

Ive flown this and its legit. Loss 1 ship in two games. Played against a v19 missile swarm and imp aces. Got three proton torps off in each game.

9 hours ago, ClassicalMoser said:

E-Wings also don’t do unblockable crits. Still, E-Wing is much better at getting around and staying alive.

Realistically, those B-Wings don't do unblockable crits either.

I jest, I jest. But it's probably hard to flank and get bullseye with Init 3 B-Wings.

8 hours ago, wurms said:

Blue Squadron Pilot (41)
Passive Sensors (3)
Proton Torpedoes (13)

Blue Squadron Pilot (41)
Passive Sensors (3)
Proton Torpedoes (13)

Garven Dreis (47)
Servomotor S-Foils (0)

Jake Farrell (36)
Predator (2)
Crack Shot (1)
Total: 200

Ive flown this and its legit. Loss 1 ship in two games. Played against a v19 missile swarm and imp aces. Got three proton torps off in each game.

This just seems so much better to me. Jake and Garven do focus-sharing on the cheap.

In Extended, is it ever worth it to drop Predator to take Garven in an ARC? That's a decent amount of extra tankiness for two points, and a useful extra firing arc, at the cost of mobility.

I was thinking this. This is a potentially messy group to tangle with. It says "I am much more interested in relieving you of your head, then keeping my own." If you try the obvious move to kill Darkligher and miss (or I dodge), well you know... Plus, b-wings and e-wings are cool!

E-wing - •Gavin Darklighter - 75
•Gavin Darklighter - Bold Wingman (61)
Fire-Control System (2)
Proton Torpedoes (13)

A/SF-01 B-wing - Blade Squadron Veteran - 62
Blade Squadron Veteran - (43)
Marksmanship (1)
Passive Sensors (3)
Autoblasters (2)
Proton Torpedoes (13)

A/SF-01 B-wing - Blade Squadron Veteran - 62
Blade Squadron Veteran - (43)
Marksmanship (1)
Passive Sensors (3)
Autoblasters (2)
Proton Torpedoes (13)

Total: 199/200

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Gray Squadron Bomber (31)
Ion Cannon Turret (5)

Ship total: 36 Half Points: 18 Threshold: 4

Blue Squadron Pilot (41)
Ship total: 41 Half Points: 21 Threshold: 4

Blue Squadron Pilot (41)
Ship total: 41 Half Points: 21 Threshold: 4

Blue Squadron Pilot (41)
Ship total: 41 Half Points: 21 Threshold: 4

Blue Squadron Pilot (41)
Ship total: 41 Half Points: 21 Threshold: 4


Total: 200

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On 7/14/2019 at 9:46 PM, wurms said:

Blue Squadron Pilot (41)
Passive Sensors (3)
Proton Torpedoes (13)

Blue Squadron Pilot (41)
Passive Sensors (3)
Proton Torpedoes (13)

Garven Dreis (47)
Servomotor S-Foils (0)

Jake Farrell (36)
Predator (2)
Crack Shot (1)
Total: 200

Ive flown this and its legit. Loss 1 ship in two games. Played against a v19 missile swarm and imp aces. Got three proton torps off in each game.

What could I use in place of Jake? I don't have an A-Wing but I do have an E-Wing...

4 hours ago, pakirby said:

What could I use in place of Jake? I don't have an A-Wing but I do have an E-Wing...

Sheathipede

Cracken