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By Imperial Advisor Arem Heshvaun, in Star Wars: Legion

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Micro Machines and a popcorn bucket.

I want to give credit to the creator and trying to find out who it is.

Not anytime soon but I can see down the line when legion is more established and they are looking to add something new to keep people interested, that they will add vehicles this size. They have titans in 40k for god sake!! Plus the vehicles in legion are all slightly scaled down from where they should be.

24 minutes ago, Tonytt1642 said:

Plus the vehicles in legion are all slightly scaled down from where they should be.

This is not the case. They are all pretty much spot-on, except the landspeeder is a bit too big.

1 hour ago, arnoldrew said:

This is not the case. They are all pretty much spot-on, except the landspeeder is a bit too big.

Or it’s just a different year’s model than Luke’s!

What could've been... We got Star Wars Platoon instead.

1 hour ago, GreatMazinkaiser said:

What could've been... We got Star Wars Platoon instead.

I dunno... I got three AT-ATs so I'm good~

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1 hour ago, CaptainRocket said:

I dunno... I got three AT-ATs so I'm good~

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@CaptainRocket are those AT -ATs from Disney Theme Parks?

Where did you get the pieces for terrain?

11 hours ago, GreatMazinkaiser said:

What could've been... We got Star Wars Platoon instead.

And thank the Force we did. A game at that scale would be annoying and uninteresting, at least to me. It's the same reason I've avoided games like FoW, the scale doesn't do it for me.

13 hours ago, GreatMazinkaiser said:

What could've been... We got Star Wars Platoon instead.

Fun Fact: all platoons contain 3 sniper rifles and 6 light machine guns.

25 minutes ago, TauntaunScout said:

3 sniper rifles

That’s accurate to this game

14 hours ago, Imperial Advisor Arem Heshvaun said:

@CaptainRocket are those AT -ATs from Disney Theme Parks?

Where did you get the pieces for terrain?

Yup 3 popcorn buckets at about $50 a piece...

The Golan 9s are 3D prints a friend got off Thingyverse~

20 hours ago, Alpha17 said:

And thank the Force we did. A game at that scale would be annoying and uninteresting, at least to me. It's the same reason I've avoided games like FoW, the scale doesn't do it for me.

Because the Battle of Hoth/Geonosis/Muunilist/Naboo/Endor/etc are all boring as **** /s

The game as is looks a lot like games of that scale barring unit sizes and a need for better vehicle rules. Just a shame that Legion is about as Legion as Armada is Armada (which is to say, misleading).

2 hours ago, GreatMazinkaiser said:

Because the Battle of Hoth/Geonosis/Muunilist/Naboo/Endor/etc are all boring as **** /s

The game as is looks a lot like games of that scale barring unit sizes and a need for better vehicle rules. Just a shame that Legion is about as Legion as Armada is Armada (which is to say, misleading).

You can have larger games in Legion. It takes more time, but it's part of the system. It's hard to have smaller games on something the scale of what you seem to want. The Battles you mention aren't boring, but for Legion there is no reason to try and replay the whole **** thing, when it works just as well to play a piece of it. Vehicles like AT-ATs and AT-TEs can play a role as an objective or terrain piece, and that helps tie right into the movie battles.

Really this comes down to preferred scale and style of game play. I'd rather a game focus on individual soldiers (if not quite heroes) than crowd the table with massive vehicles and only have an entire infantry unit on a single base. If you would prefer otherwise, sorry you didn't get what you want, but I sure as **** wouldn't be playing this game if they had gone in that direction.

20 hours ago, TauntaunScout said:

Fun Fact: all platoons contain 3 sniper rifles and 6 light machine guns.

I mean, depending on the definition of those terms, that's not all that inaccurate. If DMRs and SAWs count, it certainly fits.

1 hour ago, Alpha17 said:

You can have larger games in Legion. It takes more time, but it's part of the system. It's hard to have smaller games on something the scale of what you seem to want. The Battles you mention aren't boring, but for Legion there is no reason to try and replay the whole **** thing, when it works just as well to play a piece of it.

I really like the scale of Legion. A game with little AT-AT's and poker chips with 5 troopers glued to them sounds like a really good expansion for X-Wing. Like how the various "epic" scale 40k offshoots used to be. I don't like that the figures are a couple mm's taller for no good reason but what are you gonna do? I really like how Legion's 800 point games are taking it back to the headcount we always used in SWD6 and Oldhammer 40k. It works just fine and the tendency to go upwards from that is bad in the longrun. The constant increase in headcount of 40k/fantasy is really bad.

It is a "legion" compared to Imperial Assault or the RPG so it works. If you want the feeling of a really massive action I think it would be served by playing a Grand Army game and banning uniques. You can fit a TON of models into a 1600 point army with no operatives and a 50 point commander or two.

This gets more into rules and command stuff than anything though. DBA makes the games feel exactly how it is when you read ancient and medieval primary source descriptions of battles, even though you only have 14 playing pieces. I do feel like Legion falls short in this respect: the command cards don't feel like The Empire Strikes Back, they feel like Gettysburg. To keep it seeming like SW (whatever that even means in this new world of retcons and conflicting artistic vision coming from the very top levels) I almost feel like a straight points-buy system is half the problem. The OT managed to be its own genre, a truly successful SW minis game might need to discard the assumptions we've all built up over the past 30 years of gaming and really get creative.

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I'd rather a game focus on individual soldiers (if not quite heroes) than crowd the table with massive vehicles and only have an entire infantry unit on a single base.

For me it all stems from my old inch(ish) tall Kenner Micro guys so I agree. It's possible (but really really hard) for me to get behind any game that isn't singly based inch(ish) tall people toys. DBA with its multi-figure basing was a fluke. I tried and failed to get into Epic 40k and Warmaster (though that was GW's fault, not mine). I can't get into eurogames or CCG's. Or video games.

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Me and a buddy of mine have been working on and off on a Star Wars "epic" style game using strictly 1:144 scale figures. Several Troopers to a base, Bandai vehicle models, scratch built Star Wars terrain in Flames of War compatible scale...

We never get very far, due to the hunting of appropriate looking human figures in that scale. It's one of those continuous WIP projects that hangs out on the back burner, but it's going to be great when it's ready.

1 hour ago, Albertese said:

Me and a buddy of mine have been working on and off on a Star Wars "epic" style game using strictly 1:144 scale figures. Several Troopers to a base, Bandai vehicle models, scratch built Star Wars terrain in Flames of War compatible scale...

We never get very far, due to the hunting of appropriate looking human figures in that scale. It's one of those continuous WIP projects that hangs out on the back burner, but it's going to be great when it's ready.

Were you the guy that did up all the Hoth model kits? If not...

There was a "Battle of Hoth" diorama and "Echo Base" kits that had roughly 10mm sized people in them. Between both kits you'd have rebels, snowtroopers, Vader, Leia, Chewie, R2 & 3PO, T-47's, AT-ST, AT-AT's, radar cannons, laser turrets, tauntaun riders, four different (more or less) compatible sized rebel starships to use as scenery or objectives or to write some kind of rules for.

Both model kits were sold in the 80's (which are pricey) and massively re-issued in the 90's (which aren't too expensive).

We have those, but mainly just culled figures from them. Even so, there were a lot we felt those sets didn't cover well enough. The vehicles are all pretty wonky, so we're sticking with the current Bandai stuff, as that quality can't be beat.

Thanks for the recommendation, though!

27 minutes ago, Albertese said:

We have those, but mainly just culled figures from them. Even so, there were a lot we felt those sets didn't cover well enough. The vehicles are all pretty wonky, so we're sticking with the current Bandai stuff, as that quality can't be beat.

Thanks for the recommendation, though!

The figures are the hardest part. Every Star Wars vehicle has been made in evry scale if you look hard enough. Maybe it was only released in Japan as a cereal promo or something. But sooner or later someone made 'em all.

Sure you can multi-base stuff but 15mm/18mm would've been well suited to individually based figures. There's plenty of rules out there that cover company sized games and more in that scale; what doesn't exist is Star Wars figures in that scale (28mm/30mm is better represented). You could fit five Action-fleet sized AT-ATs easily on a 6x3 table (6x4 would probably be better) as well as multiple platoons of snowtroopers and :P Rebel "veterans".

...and before there's some nonsense about characters lacking detail I need only point you to figures like these:
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I would have liked a grander scale, but I do enjoy the Legion minis.

Thoe Legion At Ats look boss:)

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