Nah, there is still the free range 1 use. I typically don’t spend for sense beyond range 1. Only for those turns I absolutely, positively, need to land that block.

Having flown that list half a dozen times I can count the number of times I’ve spent the force for both abilities on one hand. But hose few times I’ve spent the force have been of high importance/ leverage. It’s the ‘time to bail because you did something clever/ unexpected’ button.

16 minutes ago, ficklegreendice said:

Seems fine to me, especially since it eats Vader force and apparently the points for fcs and predator too

Only eats a Force charge if the ship being affected by Sense is outside of range 1.

7 minutes ago, Hiemfire said:

Only eats a Force charge if the ship being affected by Sense is outside of range 1.

You mean "Sense eats a force charge unless the ship being affected is at range 0-1"

Far more likely to cost a force than not due to how range 2-3 is a lot larger than 0-1 since Sense occurs before activation (before lower I moves closer to you)

They always have existed, it used to be called Pilot Skill 9 (or Veteran Instincts),

Now it is Initiative 6 (or just a real low bid at 5)

3 hours ago, ficklegreendice said:

You mean "Sense eats a force charge unless the ship being affected is at range 0-1"

Far more likely to cost a force than not due to how range 2-3 is a lot larger than 0-1 since Sense occurs before activation (before lower I moves closer to you)

I play aggressive and tryhard for both R1 and sense blocks, if I am r2-3 I use it maybe 2/3 of the time, and only that much because Mace often has the force to spare. Overall I'd hazard guess I am paying for it around 60% of the time I use it

13 hours ago, ficklegreendice said:

also I wouldnt sense on Sae because you burn both her force in one round between Sense and her ability

Agreed. But if you have a jedi squad, you don't necessarily have to have sense on Tin for the combination to work. As noted, once the dial is flipped, everyone knows what you're doing, so can take (some) advantage of it. It's why I'd be tempted to take advantage of a mix of Sense and Battle Meditation to 'concentrate' actions on the ships which are going to need them.

I'll just leave this here.

Mace Windu (45)
Sense (5)
R2 Astromech (6)
Delta-7B (18)

Ship total: 74 Half Points: 37 Threshold: 3

Luminara Unduli (43)
R2 Astromech (6)
Delta-7B (18)

Ship total: 67 Half Points: 34 Threshold: 3

Saesee Tiin (43)
Sense (5)
R4 Astromech (2)
Shield Upgrade (8)

Ship total: 58 Half Points: 29 Threshold: 3


Total: 199

View in Yet Another Squad Builder 2.0: https://raithos.github.io/?f=Galactic Republic&d=v8ZsZ200Z314X75W2W201WY274XW2W201WY313X75W5WW165&sn=Jedi Mind**** 2.0&obs=

On 7/8/2019 at 12:16 PM, ficklegreendice said:

You mean "Sense eats a force charge unless the ship being affected is at range 0-1"

Far more likely to cost a force than not due to how range 2-3 is a lot larger than 0-1 since Sense occurs before activation (before lower I moves closer to you)

Unless you just have multiple Senses. For instance, in @Crimsonwarlock ‘s list he just posted, once the opponent gets in range 1 of either sense carrier it isn’t leaving range 0 for another 3-4 turns and even if he has to spend a force 1 turn to see, he’ll force you to be range 0 the following turn.

On 7/8/2019 at 12:54 PM, RStan said:

It helps protect the i6s from being blocked

Wait wait wait wait wait wait...

How does it supposedly do this? Your dial is already set in. Are you taking both Sense and Supernatural Reflexes, or are you wasting your points on Advanced Sensors? Or maybe you have pre-maneuver coordinate from another ship? All of these things have a huge downside. Sense is to help the lower-I ships, even when it's the higher-I ships that are using it. When Vader takes Sense, it's for his wingmen. When Mace takes Sense, it's for himself.

Now for a fun case study. Ezra and Cassian Andor! I've been wanting to try this on the table forever, but basically Ezra can look at one ship's dial with Sense, then he can use Cassian to "guess" the maneuver he already saw and change his own maneuver to whatever he wants it to be . He could go for the block or the arc-dodge, and with a dorsal turret or the like he has 2 arcs to shoot from. With Perfect information. AND an action. AND probably a force (that works double while he's stressed).

I like the idea of Cassian. Most of the time, when you set your dial, you anticipate a certain maneuver from your opponent. With Cassian, you can anticipate two maneuvers and plan for one. Guess the other one, and if you're right, adjust and plan for that; it's really cool thematically. Sensera just breaks that combo out to the next level. Aren't people already using him this way? Sure he's fragile and dies to focused fire, but you can stick him on your VCX and just break him out for the endgame or a necessary knife fight. It seems really strong to me.

@ClassicalMoser not sure if you read the whole post and checked out the hyperlink I had within it detailing the list. It included TIE Fighters that perform the actually blocking themselves while Vader with 3 force carries Sense for the information. As I said, the TIE Fighters can get in positions to not only create blocks but screen the i6s from being blocked. With the Sense information Vader has, both getting blocks and/or screening opposing blocks is possible.

1 minute ago, RStan said:

As I said, the TIE Fighters can get in positions to not only create blocks but screen the i6s from being blocked. With the Sense information Vader has, both getting blocks and/or screening opposing blocks is possible.

True, and I am aware of this. Regardless, the primary benefit is to the lower-I ships. It's ultimately helping them position properly, etc. If Vader was flying with Soontir and Whisper, he definitely wouldn't be taking Sense. Sense is for Low-Initiative ships and it helps Low-Initiative ships perform better. Categorically.

Just now, ClassicalMoser said:

True, and I am aware of this. Regardless, the primary benefit is to the lower-I ships. It's ultimately helping them position properly, etc. If Vader was flying with Soontir and Whisper, he definitely wouldn't be taking Sense. Sense is for Low-Initiative ships and it helps Low-Initiative ships perform better. Categorically.

Do you define i4 as low initiative? Because the lowest Sense carrier I expect to see played a solid amount in the upcoming months is Mace Windu who is i4. I don't expect Inquisitors or Jedi without 3 force to be taking Sense. I expect it on Mace and/or Obi Wan the most who are both on the higher half of the initiative scale. If Sense is helping ace type ships already, is it really helping low-initiative ships that much? Or is it helping guaranteeing better information for aces vs aces?

37 minutes ago, RStan said:

Do you define i4 as low initiative? Because the lowest Sense carrier I expect to see played a solid amount in the upcoming months is Mace Windu who is i4. I don't expect Inquisitors or Jedi without 3 force to be taking Sense. I expect it on Mace and/or Obi Wan the most who are both on the higher half of the initiative scale. If Sense is helping ace type ships already, is it really helping low-initiative ships that much? Or is it helping guaranteeing better information for aces vs aces?

I4 is definitely lower than I5-6. There are no force users below I3. Ahsoka and generics take it all the time, as do generic inquisitors and Ezra. Mace isn’t much higher.

Sense will always help lower initiative pilots more than it helps higher initiative pilots. It gives more information that would be otherwise unavailable the lower your initiative is. You are using Sense to see what happens before it happens. High-I can see it after it happens and doesn’t need it as much.

There’s no such thing as a list of all I5-6 that uses Sense. If there’s Sense, it’s for lower initiative. The argument that it only helps high-initiative pilots is so backwards I have trouble fathoming it.