I am just kind of thinking on this, with the new Hoth models inbound i would kinda of like Hoth Leia to lead them. Maybe Hoth Solo too. We got an alt Vader but the question is, would you rather a second version like vader with the same stats, or the same character with a different model and stats. I lean towards the same stats so the choice is purely style, but then they have models competing with each other. Also, as someone who really wants a Her, I don't want the flow of new to end. What are your thoughts?
Alternate models
I would like both really. Alt models and alt units. i.e. hoth luke with the same stats but different model and then rotj luke with better stats and a different model
Maybe eventually? There's a lot of stuff I'd rather see released first before they go back and do Malibu Stacy with a new hat; Imperial Army/Mud Troopers, more Rogue One characters, Rebels show stuff, videogame stuff, EU/Legends stuff, Scum faction/s etc. Given they're already going to be backburnering GCW content to get the Clone Wars factions up to speed, if they start using up release slots on duplicates it'll make it seem even worse.
In the meantime, there are plenty of third parties doing cool alt-sculpts.
3 hours ago, Jabby said:I would like both really. Alt models and alt units. i.e. hoth luke with the same stats but different model and then rotj luke with better stats and a different model
Hoth Luke hasn’t been trained by Yoda so he should have worse stats.
2 hours ago, TauntaunScout said:Hoth Luke hasn’t been trained by Yoda so he should have worse stats.
Maybe only one Force power?
2 minutes ago, Derrault said:Maybe only one Force power?
He almost accidentally uses the force (like Rey in Ep. 7) so maybe none. Maybe give him a tauntaun(!) to make him virtually unrecognizable both artistically and statistically from the free Luke you get in the starter set. Han isn't "competing" with a free model, but I'd argue his stats don't really change as dramatically, so a tauntaun(!) might make the most sense for his alternate model too.
If Imperial Assault is anything to go by though, we'll get virtually no official alternate models.
Personally I'd like to see squads that take up a command slot. Since all shoretroopers are NCO's this would have been a more interesting fit for them than corps IMO. Likewise a box containing Hoth Leia and a handful of Echo Base command center staff as a squad that takes up a commander slot would be cool and very, very different from the other Leia.
7 hours ago, TauntaunScout said:Hoth Luke hasn’t been trained by Yoda so he should have worse stats.
different stats. His blaster and pilot ability should be the same, but he's not going to use a lightsaber. Honestly I'd rather have jedi knight luke with full force powers and no pistol. But i think they'd be over stepping a little. Let's get some of the other original trilogy figures before we rehash the same figure. I don't think the market is there to justify the same stats and just a different pose or clothing line
11 minutes ago, buckero0 said:different stats. His blaster and pilot ability should be the same, but he's not going to use a lightsaber. Honestly I'd rather have jedi knight luke with full force powers and no pistol. But i think they'd be over stepping a little. Let's get some of the other original trilogy figures before we rehash the same figure. I don't think the market is there to justify the same stats and just a different pose or clothing line
*Shrug* It's been there for every other Star Wars game. At least for Luke it is. And this is miniatures. A new sculpt with no new stats is enough, from a sales perspective. Maybe not for you, for Legion, but, for the relatively small industry of miniature wargaming it is and always has been.
And why no saber? He used one twice on Hoth in the movie.
Edited by TauntaunScoutEventually I plan on making alternate sculpts of COBRA! (the enemy) to replace my stormtroopers.
Why not both?
I think alternate sculpts for Luke, Leia, and Han would all be called for.
Luke is the only one that I could really see as different stats wise, representing his eventual mastery of the force.
I probably wouldn’t buy the alternate sculpts personally - but that’s because my home board best appears to go along with the current Leia and Han sculpts.
Now, a tauntaun mounted Luke/Han? May have to get one of those for the variety.
6 minutes ago, ScummyRebel said:Luke is the only one that I could really see as different stats wise, representing his eventual mastery of the force.
Leia without any air support would be a totally different unit.
Just now, TauntaunScout said:Leia without any air support would be a totally different unit.
True, but as the card is restricted to Leia Organa, it doesn’t limit it to some theoretical alternate Leia. So anyone who wants to take that command card could still do so with the other Leia model/stats.
34 minutes ago, ScummyRebel said:True, but as the card is restricted to Leia Organa, it doesn’t limit it to some theoretical alternate Leia. So anyone who wants to take that command card could still do so with the other Leia model/stats.
Change the name. Drop the “Organa” and add something else.
I wouldn't buy alternate sculpts.
Think FFG have some bigger priorities before going el-WARMAHORDES, and making 'epic' and 'epicer' versions of already released units.
8 hours ago, lologrelol said:I wouldn't buy alternate sculpts.
Think FFG have some bigger priorities before going el-WARMAHORDES, and making 'epic' and 'epicer' versions of already released units.
I guess this is my sentiment. I don't know how much return they'd expect to see this early in doing re-releases. I'd like to get something else besides another sculpt otherwise, there are plenty of outlets for that already in the 3D printing realm.
With the LCG and X-Wing, they have different version of the same characters, so it is probably just a matter of time it hits Legion. Legion included "subtitles" for each unit and this follows their other games that will use this for their other versions.
I would love to see a ANH or ESB Luke with limited force abilities and a Han that was a little more scoundrel.
18 hours ago, TauntaunScout said:Change the name. Drop the “Organa” and add something else.
I think it's more likely the part of the name after the colon would be changed for new versions of characters. So Leia Organa: Ambassador would still be eligible to take the old or new Leia Command cards. If they change the name of the new Leia, to say just Leia, then the unique rule means that an army can have both Leia Organa, and Leia ________ in a single army since it checks the name before the colon.
6 minutes ago, Caimheul1313 said:I think it's more likely the part of the name after the colon would be changed for new versions of characters. So Leia Organa: Ambassador would still be eligible to take the old or new Leia Command cards. If they change the name of the new Leia, to say just Leia, then the unique rule means that an army can have both Leia Organa, and Leia ________ in a single army since it checks the name before the colon.
Meh. Put in the FAQ that you can't. We're all smart enough to know who's who when it comes to the spirit of the "Unique" rules.
Just now, TauntaunScout said:Meh. Put in the FAQ that you can't. We're all smart enough to know who's who when it comes to the spirit of the "Unique" rules.
In which case, they might as well change the rule to make it so command cards can only be used with commanders whose picture matches the one on the card rather than the named character. I believe the intention is for fFG to be able to release new versions of a character that provide players with more command card options.
Or we may never get "re-released" characters, or alternate models. Otherwise I think we'd be seeing some C&D letters being sent out.
17 minutes ago, Caimheul1313 said:Or we may never get "re-released" characters, or alternate models.
I think that's more likely. They are keeping a foot firmly planted in the mentality of eurogame expansions.
A very possible workaround is to get costume changes of heroes... as operatives or special forces.
They released iirc a total of ONE costume change in Imperial Assault , and appear to be avoiding wherever possible the use of costumes that are already in use in IA. It may be telling that Han, Luke and Leia only exist in hitherto un-sculpted costumes. I mean seriously unless there's a policy like that in place why not release the more iconic and versatile "Han in a Vest"? People like me can even paint his vest and shirtsleeves blue to make the Han from Hoth interior scenes.
9 minutes ago, TauntaunScout said:I think that's more likely. They are keeping a foot firmly planted in the mentality of eurogame expansions.
A very possible workaround is to get costume changes of heroes... as operatives or special forces.
They released iirc a total of ONE costume change in Imperial Assault , and appear to be avoiding wherever possible the use of costumes that are already in use in IA. It may be telling that Han, Luke and Leia only exist in hitherto un-sculpted costumes. I mean seriously unless there's a policy like that in place why not release the more iconic and versatile "Han in a Vest"? People like me can even paint his vest and shirtsleeves blue to make the Han from Hoth interior scenes.
Operatives still get command cards though, which could still be interesting for the mixture of "Commander" and "Operative" cards from a single unit.
The initial poses seem to be taken from when the characters were "seen" in actual battle in films (except for Luke, not sure why they didn't go with his RotJ outfit if that was the idea... I sort of understand not putting him in the flight suit though).
20 minutes ago, Caimheul1313 said:The initial poses seem to be taken from when the characters were "seen" in actual battle in films (except for Luke, not sure why they didn't go with his RotJ outfit if that was the idea... I sort of understand not putting him in the flight suit though).
Luke was never in a ground battle with the exception of piloting a t47. His most prominent saber duel was arguably Bespin. Thus, they went with that suit.
10 minutes ago, ScummyRebel said:Luke was never in a ground battle with the exception of piloting a t47. His most prominent saber duel was arguably Bespin. Thus, they went with that suit.
He also participated on the ground battle of Endor (admittedly the early scout phase), and did participate as infantry in Hoth, given that he destroyed an AT-AT while outside of his T-47. They don't really depict him doing anything else, but that doesn't mean he didn't engage snowtroopers on his way to his X-wing (depending on novelizations and other random stuff).
In the current comics they have all the characters in a few more ground battles, and IIRC, Luke mostly is depicted in garb reminiscent of Bespin.
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