from france

i just wath the movie and appart the most sophiticate systeme the batlle armor used by the black caracter has heavy stubber build on hi shoulder. since psy canon can be mounted on shoulder i was wondering if it is possible to have a heavy shoulder on a batlle armor or on a crapace armor.

what do you think? is it possible? and how?

the 8 spider said:

Hi Spider!

Haven't seen the movie yet ... so my opinions are all hypothetical. But my take is, if it's cool, and adds to the game without breaking it, why the heck not?!? Predator meets Iron Man meets Grimdark! Huzzah!

from france

dear sister cat

http://www.rowthree.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/iron-man-2-war-machine.jpg

i am talking about that. just remove the power of sun beam or replace it with hellgun or hell pistols. also remove the flight capacity. because in dh power armor or carapace armor doesn't have this kind of advanced systeme.

i am talking about that. just remove the power of sun beam or replace it with hellgun or hell pistols. also remove the flight capacity. because in dh power armor or carapace armor doesn't have this kind of advanced systeme.

That depends entirely on how deeply you wish to enter the Dark Age of Tech - or whether you want to mess around with the Logicians and similar heretek cults. I'd be surprised if their upper echelons didn't have armour that would leave Mr Stark drooling.

from france

thanks for the answer. but what about the how . i mean in dh mechanics toward equipement; how puuting he heavy stubber on the shoulder and make i work?

Hmm ... well, I have to agree that it would be pretty high tech for normal DH purposes. But, if you went pre-Imperium tech, xeno-tech, or heretek, I could see it.

What I would do, for normal power armor, is give it something like the equivalent of the Compact weapon upgrade: half weight, half clip size, half range, -1 damage, change from Heavy class to Basic class.

If you wanted to mount them on terminator armor, then I would do it just like the Forearm weapon mount: -30% range.

I don't think I'd allow Heavy weapons to be shoulder-mounted on carapace armor, but I would allow Basic class weapons, as the Forearm weapon mount above.

This would also be a perfect place for an application of Rogue Trader's Weapon MIU.

Unusualsuspect said:

Ooohh! Good call. Hadn't thought of that.

Why thinking about the heavy weapons?

A machine pistol with AP does the trick..as well as a bolt pistole or a Hectur Combat Pistole (from IH)

As for rules, I would use those for "pistole mechandrite" dh core rules. But not with normal carapace. Servoarmo sounds fine, so

from france

well after cheking compact cannot apply to heavy weapons. i am currently working on 3 and maybe more "iron man like "armor. one carapace one dragon scale and two power armer ligth and normal. i an reading the rules about suspensor ( amarvel) skill (building ) biceps forearms weapons (witch trangely enough is not limited toward heavy weapons), the two miu...

and also wolwerein like armor for time when heavy suit are not polite to wear.

Well in Lure of the Expanse there is a heavy bolter mentioned which is best craftsmanship and has the Storm and Tearing ability and seem te be a small Assault Cannon.
Combine that with best craftsmanship power armour, a military power source, and high quality Jump pack, good quality MIU and best quality MIU Weapon Interface and some extra cybernetic overhauling and it is possible...

Hiyacking a Tau battle suit and repainting it sounds easier....

Hi Spider,

if you really want to go "Iron Man", forget about anything but light power servo armour and/or servo armour. Anything else lacks

- the armour points
- the added strength
- the sheer "o-my-god" factor lended by the sheer rareness of servo armour
- the power source for all the goodies you WANT to have in their

Santiago said:

Guessing you have not read Kill Team then? The perils of non-authorized users of Tau battlesuits was made pretty clear in that one. One of the "Last Chancers" on that mission was a technophile and managed to come across several battlesuits in their docking cradles. Naturally his discovery coincided with the team being heap-deep in grox-waste, so he did what most PCs would do: He crawled inside and managed to activate the thing... Which promptly slammed shut and electrocuted him in a most excessive way, then ejected the charred corpse! It would seem that the Mechanicus are not just blowing smoke about the dangers of xeno-tech.

Heavy Bolters have tearing already, but a STORM-Heavy Bolter is just SEXY! Sure, it is bigger than a Slaneeshi cultist with a cake fetish, but the hernia is SO worth it! Even Astartes get erect thinking about such things.... Meanwhile there are at least 400 Cadians trying to figure out how to lift that thing.

Ravenor had a shoulder-mounted Psycannon, so I don't see the problem.

BYE

Mmm... Spider, you seem to be asking how to mount a ballistic mechadendrite ^^... Ad for god's sake, I WON'T take the Ex-Wife!!!!!

Now let's see how can we make a W40k armor more like Marvel's Iron Man...

1) Flying: well, it's not really that, but jumppacks are listed somewhere... (ascension, maybe? not sure :S)

2) Armor: yeah, that we do have. And energy fields, which Mr Stark doesn't seem to...

3) Shoulder.mounted weapon: Just integrate a ballistic mechadendrite in the armor, and ask the character to buy a talent he can use only when wearing the armor. MIU is required (ballistic, normal or bot)

4) Repulsors: not needed. And they are not as cool as Big ******* Guns (BFG from here. BFS is the same, but for swords)

5) Energy: A military-grade energy pack (Space Marine, for example) can work for as long as the devious GM allows it. That means if you get stranded in a planet, without any mean to recharge it, in some decades you might run out of energy. Fastest if you are using energy weapons. Never if you are a tech-priest with the Luminem Charge talent ^^.

6) Sensors: the helmet has a lot of Auspex gizmos... And communications also. You might even make phone calls!

7) Bright colours: Uuups, we fail here. The brighter colours are Space Marine-only... But well, we can always use others!!!

About War Machine, the biggest failure I always saw in it was... well... where in the hell is he carrying all that ammo? And how in the hell does that ammo reaches the weapons? XDDDD

from france

i found in the marvel universe encylopedia how the armor are built so this weekend i will give you copy of several batle armor.

Considering Spyrer armor's abilities it is not outside the realm of possibility that such armor could exist. It would certainly be Unique or Near Unique and be so expensive that Nobles would hesitate to buy it.

from france

some of my creation. sory i coul not repoduce a correct board here

With the jumpack too much weight so instade of powwer fist i propose -monoed... actual weight 69

The caracter has ws 4 bs 4 st 4 t 4

I choose the grenade launcher over the missile because there is no miniaturised launcher in dh.

The mag boot sare here for a eventual free flight on a another plane

item Function weights price Weight limit
Best Power amor millitary

Ap 9

Rebreather
Internal oxygene
Back pack amunition
Milltary power suplies
targeters
miu
miu weapon interface 68 ? 78/157/315
Force field Icon of the just 0.5 ?
Heavy stubber with suspensor.

Storm on the shoulder weapon 17.5 750
Grenade launcher on the shoulder weapon 9 500
Fire selector 0.5 ?
Forearm weapon mounting equippement 1 ?
Forearm weapon mounting equippement 1 ?
Autogun storm weapon 3.5 100
Autogun storm weapon 3.5 100
Man stopper bullets for the autogun
Vox operator equipement 0.5 ?
auspex equippement ? ?
jumpack equipement 25 ?
Photo sight equippement ? ?
Power fist weapon 13 ?
Power fist weapon 13 ?
or
Monoed agreage gauntlet weapon 2 80
Monoed agreage gauntlet weapon 2 80
Shock painting ? ?
powersword Weapon 3.5 2.500
Cerebral plug
Spoor targerter
Hexagrame
Maggboots

from france

the next one more punchy but less iron man i think the warmachine model

from france

some of my creation. sory i coul not repoduce a correct board here
With the jumpack too much weight so instade of powwer fist i propose -monoed... actual weight ?

With this option the jumpack is to cumbersome and the grenade laucnher is to heavy and must be replaced by a one shot option.

The caracter has ws 4 bs 4 st 4 t 4

I choose the grenade launcher over the missile because there is no miniaturised launcher in dh.

The mag boot sare here for a eventual free flight on a another plane

item Function weights price Weight limit maximum
Best Power amor millitary

Ap 9

Rebreather
Internal oxygene
Back pack amunition
Milltary power suplies
targeters
miu
miu weapon interface 68 ? 78/157/315
Force field Icon of the just 0.5 ?
Heavy bolter with suspensor. Storm on the shoulder with suspensor weapon 20 750

Auxiliary Grenade launcher on the shoulder weapon 2.5 500

2 x Forearm weapon mounting equippement 1 ?
equippement

2 x Ryza pattern storm bolter weapon 9 ?
weapon
Fire selector

vox operator equipement 0.5 ?
auspex equippement ? ?
jumpack equipement 25 ?
Photo sight equippement ? ?
Power fist weapon 13 ?
Power fist weapon 13 ?
or
Monoed agreage gauntlet weapon 2 80
Monoed agreage gauntlet weapon 2 80
Shock painting ? ?
powersword Weapon 3.5 2.500
Cerebral plug
Spoor targerter
Hexagrame
Maggboots

from france

the all energy version (allmost)

some of my creation. sory i coul not repoduce a correct board here

With the jumpack too much weight so instade of powwer fist i propose -monoed... actual weight

The caracter has ws 4 bs 4 st 4 t 4

I choose the grenade launcher over the missile because there is no miniaturised launcher in dh.

The mag boot sare here for a eventual free flight on a another plane

item Function weights price Weight limit
Best Power amor millitary

Ap 9

rebreather

Internal oxygene
Back pack amunition
Milltary power suplies
targeters
miu
miu weapon interface ? 78/157/315
Force field Icon of the just 5 ?
Grenade launcher on the shoulder weapon 2.5 500
Man portable lascanon With suspensor on the shoulder weapon 22.5 ?
Fire selector 0.5 ?
2x Forearm weapon mounting equippement 1 ?
2x Hellgun lucius storm weapon 6 ?
Vox operator equipement 0.5 ?
auspex equippement ? ?
jumpack equipement 25 ?
Photo sight equippement ? ?
Power fist weapon 13 ?
Power fist weapon 13 ?
or
Monoed agreage gauntlet weapon 2 80
Monoed agreage gauntlet weapon 2 80
Shock painting ? ?
powersword Weapon 3.5 2.500
Cerebral plug
Spoor targerter
Hexagrame
Maggboots

The advantage is that with the spark armor and if they are chosen the acreage gauntlets the weapons can be easily recharged.

Weight 73 with the gauntlet it still the jumpack that make problems

So i am not a technician and i need help to complete this.

What do you think of this work? I think they rock : )

next time the same with carapace armor.

Power Armour is self sustaining in the weight departement...so you can ignore the weight of the power armour itself...

from france

it is already so i just put the weigth limit for the rest of the equipement. but i admitt tha due to my trouble to adapt my word board document to the forum it may be unclear. thank to show me this. it is not more precise.