Kaydel Connix and other maneuver abilities

By gennataos, in X-Wing Rules Questions

Kaydel Connix reads: After you reveal your dial, you may set your dial to a basic maneuver of the next higher speed. While you execute that maneuver, increase its' difficulty.

Given that bit about increasing the difficulty of the maneuver, I take it to be implied that the newly chosen maneuver must be on her dial. Otherwise there is no difficulty to increase. But the first part reads similar to these abilities, which don't show any maneuver choice limitation other than what's in the text:

R2-A6: After you reveal your dial, you may set your dial to a maneuver of the same bearing of a speed 1 higher or lower.

Ved Foslo: While you execute a maneuver, you may execute a maneuver of the same bearing and difficulty of a speed 1 higher or lower instead.

I don't really have an agenda here other than to point it out. I could see someone (mistakenly?) thinking they can do a 5-straight with a Falcon or a 3-hard with a Bomber. I could also see someone trying to argue for that being possible.

Edited by gennataos
5 minutes ago, gennataos said:

you may set your dial

If confusion comes up just point to that part of her and R2-A6's text. Foslo does not have that restriction.

1 minute ago, Hiemfire said:

If confusion comes up just point to that part of her and R2-A6's text. Foslo does not have that restriction.

Oh, duh. Nevermind, thanks!

Indeed. Kaydel and R2-A6 specifically tell you to set your dial, and you can't set your dial to a maneuver that isn't on your dial.

Just now, gennataos said:

Oh, duh. Nevermind, thanks!

You're welcome. :)

1 minute ago, Hiemfire said:

You're welcome. :)

When I saw you replied, I'd really hoped it'd been with something snarky, referencing the other thread, about my use of the word "implied"....all ready to reply with a "well played". Instead, no, you just point out that I can't read a full sentence. Twice.

Well played.

Just now, gennataos said:

When I saw you replied, I'd really hoped it'd been with something snarky, referencing the other thread, about my use of the word "implied"....all ready to reply with a "well played". Instead, no, you just point out that I can't read a full sentence. Twice.

Well played.

Why should that thread influence this one? Water under the bridge. Missreading happens. :)

1 minute ago, Hiemfire said:

Why should that thread influence this one? Water under the bridge. Missreading happens. :)

Ok.

;)

If you use Kaydel Connix or R2-A6, how does that affect the status of your "revealed maneuver?"

Does your newly-set maneuver become your revealed maneuver, for the purposes of other ships (like Dineé Ellberger), or does only your original maneuver count?

If Kaydel increases the difficulty of the maneuver, does that affect the difficulty of your revealed maneuver for the turn, or only of the executed maneuver?

1 minute ago, emeraldbeacon said:

If you use Kaydel Connix or R2-A6, how does that affect the status of your "revealed maneuver?"

Does your newly-set maneuver become your revealed maneuver, for the purposes of other ships (like Dineé Ellberger), or does only your original maneuver count?

If Kaydel increases the difficulty of the maneuver, does that affect the difficulty of your revealed maneuver for the turn, or only of the executed maneuver?

The newly set maneuver on the dial is the revealed one.

On 6/19/2019 at 2:38 PM, Hiemfire said:

The newly set maneuver on the dial is the revealed one.

That makes sense from the game mechanic perspective. Saying the maneuver your dial is legally set to is your revealed maneuver. It prevents us from having to remember and debate what the dial was set to previously. However the rule on revealing your maneuver dial reads differently to me (Rule Rev, pg 3). It implies the maneuver flipped is the revealed maneuver. There is no official language anywhere that I found that says we should use the rather sensible mechanic you suggest. AND I know rules vampires who WILL suck the fun out of even the most casual game with their ‘power’.

Can you arm me with a cross a can use to fend off such vampires? ;)

3 minutes ago, Tharcas said:

That makes sense from the game mechanic perspective. Saying the maneuver your dial is legally set to is your revealed maneuver. It prevents us from having to remember and debate what the dial was set to previously. However the rule on revealing your maneuver dial reads differently to me (Rule Rev, pg 3). It implies the maneuver flipped is the revealed maneuver. There is no official language anywhere that I found that says we should use the rather sensible mechanic you suggest. AND I know rules vampires who WILL suck the fun out of even the most casual game with their ‘power’.

Can you arm me with a cross a can use to fend off such vampires? ;)

Maneuver section. **** if I know why it hasn't been put up on the main page.

Edited by Hiemfire

Ha! DUH. I checked my old reference but didn’t download the new one!! 🤪

I just to toss in another one that I'm sure is going to come up; Corra Nell with R4 and pattern analyzer. I thought is was being all clever until I saw an avalanche of post with some variation of this combo. Anyway check my math oh great internet.

Corra reveals a hard 1 which is red on the dial. Due to R4 reducing the maneuver's difficulty it is treated as having a white difficulty so it does not trigger pattern analyzer. However, when Corra attacks or defends the revealed maneuver is red so it does activate her ability. Correct? Not? Corrections and thrown pottery welcome.

5 minutes ago, Pa Weasley said:

I just to toss in another one that I'm sure is going to come up; Corra Nell with R4 and pattern analyzer. I thought is was being all clever until I saw an avalanche of post with some variation of this combo. Anyway check my math oh great internet.

Corra reveals a hard 1 which is red on the dial. Due to R4 reducing the maneuver's difficulty it is treated as having a white difficulty so it does not trigger pattern analyzer. However, when Corra attacks or defends the revealed maneuver is red so it does activate her ability. Correct? Not? Corrections and thrown pottery welcome.

First, name is Cova Nell.

Second, not correct. R4 keeps the maneuvers at a lower difficulty as long as the droid is active, which is always. Thus making R4 a bad astromech to pair with Cova.

9 minutes ago, Pa Weasley said:

I just to toss in another one that I'm sure is going to come up; Corra Nell with R4 and pattern analyzer. I thought is was being all clever until I saw an avalanche of post with some variation of this combo. Anyway check my math oh great internet.

Corra reveals a hard 1 which is red on the dial. Due to R4 reducing the maneuver's difficulty it is treated as having a white difficulty so it does not trigger pattern analyzer. However, when Corra attacks or defends the revealed maneuver is red so it does activate her ability. Correct? Not? Corrections and thrown pottery welcome.

Nope. With R4 equipped all speed 1 and 2 basic maneuvers are 1 difficulty easier. The revealed maneuver in your example is treated as white.

Edited by Hiemfire

Thanks folks for correcting me on more than one account. It's appreciated.

Question about Kaydel,
Does she allow you to change the bearing of your maneuver? I don't see any restriction in her wording preventing you from changing direction...

3 minutes ago, AngryAlbatross said:

Question about Kaydel,
Does she allow you to change the bearing of your maneuver? I don't see any restriction in her wording preventing you from changing direction...

She does allow you to change the bearing. Her only conditions are basic maneuver, one speed higher (and the implicit restriction that it must be on your dial).