If I remember correctly, the home one is supposed to be three times as long as the liberty. So obviously still significantly smaller than the executor, but maybe still using the huge base rules?

IDK, discuss.

*opens up spreadsheet with calculation tables*

Wookieepedia lists Home One as having a canonical length of 1,300m (apparently taken from the canon "Star Wars Encyclopedia of Starfighters and Other Vehicles"). Based on the scaling-model I have it is one of the closest to scale models in the game.

Different sources list Home One with lengths between 1,200m and 3,200m. Maybe longer - because it appears to be really huge in RotJ (although worth noting that there are several MC80 cruisers in the film, which appear at different scales - because of how filming works). That would put it at about 40cm long, if to scale with the other Armada ships (but the SSD) - and roughly twice as long as the ISD. Interestingly, that would be about the same scale as the MC85, were they to include it.

Both (the large Home One and MC85) would make pretty decent Huge ships for the Rebel faction. They'd have a lot smaller models than the SSD, possibly not even hanging over the edge of the base, but could have comparable point costs and firepower.

If the SSD were scaled consistently with the existing ships it would be over 2m long.

I thought it’s “appearance” in Rebels and the documents the show runners showed put it at 2km. This would be canon and not legends.

AFAIK There isn’t canon material stating its length as larger or smaller anymore

3 hours ago, Grumbleduke said:

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If the SSD were scaled consistently with the existing ships it would be over 2m long.

Scaled with which existing ships? Right now some of them are so oversized it is not funny (CR90) and then others are/will be undersized, and this does not even take in to consideration the ones that do not have canon sizes.

1 hour ago, CDAT said:

Right now some of them are so oversized it is not funny (CR90) and then others are/will be undersized

At the moment I think the only canon one that doesn't have a canon size is the Quasar. The others all have a size in a reasonable range (e.g. the Gladiator is either 500m or 600m depending on source - I think FFG went with 500m).

The ships are all to scale, but it isn't a simple one. From what I can tell they've made them on a linear scale, but with a starting length of about 4cm; so even the smallest ship would be at least that long.

That's why the smaller ships are massively skewed, but once you get to the larger ships they're all mostly to scale; the 4cm offset doesn't make that much of a difference.

Going with that scale the Gozanti, GR-75 and Hammerhead are too small, and the Petla and Neb B are a bit too big.

Although I'd be interested to hear if FFG did have an official scale for how they were sizing their ships.

1 hour ago, Grumbleduke said:

At the moment I think the only canon one that doesn't have a canon size is the Quasar. The others all have a size in a reasonable range (e.g. the Gladiator is either 500m or 600m depending on source - I think FFG went with 500m).

At the very least the Gladiator, MC30 and AF2 don't have canon sizes, because that would require being canon.

Edit: nvm, noticed the disclaimer.

9 hours ago, ExplosiveTooka said:

If I remember correctly, the home one is supposed to be three times as long as the liberty. So obviously still significantly smaller than the executor, but maybe still using the huge base rules?

IDK, discuss.

The scale of the Home One has widely varied in the "official" Star Wars lore. According to some places, it's massive like you note, but according to others its not much bigger than your standard MC80. I do not know what official stat, if any, Disney has endorsed in the Nu Canon. Based on the size of vehicles in the Sequel Trilogy and the AT-ATCs in Rogue One, Disney seems to take the stance that BIGGER = BETTER, so I'm guessing if there's been any official new confirmation of size it's going to skew closer to the big end (but in the film if you look at the size of the docking port relative to the lambda that leaves it, it's really not thaaaat big of a ship.

Even if you assumed the Home One was thrice the size of the other MC80s, I think you're still best looking at a large base. I personally wish the Home One title would have cost substantial points and would have been something like "Your shield value in each hull zone is increased by one. Your right and left hull zone gain Red+Blue in their armament. Increase your Hull Value by 3." It would have at least made the Home One feel much heavier than other MC80s, which would feel right regardless of however much bigger it is supposed to be.

4 hours ago, AllWingsStandyingBy said:

The scale of the Home One has widely varied in the "official" Star Wars lore. According to some places, it's massive like you note, but according to others its not much bigger than your standard MC80. I do not know what official stat, if any, Disney has endorsed in the Nu Canon. Based on the size of vehicles in the Sequel Trilogy and the AT-ATCs in Rogue One, Disney seems to take the stance that BIGGER = BETTER, so I'm guessing if there's been any official new confirmation of size it's going to skew closer to the big end (but in the film if you look at the size of the docking port relative to the lambda that leaves it, it's really not thaaaat big of a ship.

Even if you assumed the Home One was thrice the size of the other MC80s, I think you're still best looking at a large base. I personally wish the Home One title would have cost substantial points and would have been something like "Your shield value in each hull zone is increased by one. Your right and left hull zone gain Red+Blue in their armament. Increase your Hull Value by 3." It would have at least made the Home One feel much heavier than other MC80s, which would feel right regardless of however much bigger it is supposed to be.

And increase squadron value as well I think. Wasn’t Home One supposed to hold 10 squadrons compared to the normal 3?

Home One from Rebels is roughly 1800m

Its actually 3.2 to 3.8km in Return of the Jedi. I researched this all awhile ago.
Here is my old and long topic on the subject where I took a deep dive into it and discovered the real size and the reason why its now basically been unofficially declared its new size because of a clerical error.

As for its implementation, here is a variant I was working on to handle just that.

But really the best thing to do is to change the game completely so that it is of a scale where big ships make sense, the new SSD coming out had to be downscaled SIGNIFCANTLY in order to be on teh table and really strategically it doesnt make sense to have it in such small games. In addition the larger HQ home one should be a sort of nemesis to the SSD with its accurate size, its a natural fit where as in FFGs version there is no even slight equivalent.
Using my preferred scale of 1/20000 the FFG Home one actually comes into about the right size, if you check out the photos in this post you will see its real size.

19 hours ago, ISD Avenger said:

And increase squadron value as well I think. Wasn’t Home One supposed to hold 10 squadrons compared to the normal 3?

I mean, maybe in the EU stuff, but again the sources are incredibly inconsistent about Home One's size and capabilities. But we know from the film model that the thing only has 4 hangar bays, and each bay is seemingly pretty small. The lambda shuttle Tydirium just barely clears the docking bay when it exits, and we can see in those scenes in the hangar bay that each bay doesn't seem to fit much more than the Falcon, the Tydirium, and less than a half dozen fighters. Seems like you'd be lucky to squeeze an entire squadron into a bay (by which I mean about a dozen snubfighters), which puts the ship's carrying capacity closer to four squadrons than ten.

Not that carrying capacity and squadron value necessarily need to correlate in the game, but with Independence already sort of staking the 'carrier' role for the MC80, I wouldn't want to let Home One step too much on its toes and would rather just make the flagship the Rebel's proper heavy brawler option.

Hard to implement a new model when we already have the home one expansion pack.

I think an expansion similar to chimera would work well. Call it the home one - battle of endor expansion to reprrsent the same ship at a later point in time (ie fully militarised). That way you can use the existing titles.

Alternate paint scheme, 2 new mc80 home one style variants.

Push up to 12 hull and 5 shields. First variant a fleet command version with multiple slots.

Second absolutely overloaded with guns - 8 dice broadside, gunnery team slot, multi ion cannons (they seem to be an mc80 thing).

All appropriately pointed of course!

7 hours ago, Lurtz said:

Its actually 3.2 to 3.8km in Return of the Jedi. I researched this all awhile ago.
Here is my old and long topic on the subject where I took a deep dive into it and discovered the real size and the reason why its now basically been unofficially declared its new size because of a clerical error.

I thought that was the thread proving Darth Vader was 3 feet tall...

Ah yes, the incredible shrinking Home One, and the incredible growing SSD.

Using shots from both Empire for the SSD, and RotJ for Home One. The actual scale of the ships is established, based on other ships used in the same shot. The Lambda in RotJ, for Home One puts it at about 3400m. The brass ISDmade to be in scale with the SSD for Empire puts it at 11000m. Of all times to ignore "Canon" numbers, this would have been the perfect time.

At least for Home One I have Mel's upscaled version, and KDY to stat it out.

FFG's version of Armada is a wonderful place to start, but it will never be the limit of the games I can run!

Star Wars is fiction and Armada is a game. In my eyes it's pointless to ask what the "real length" of a fictional ship has been: And it's strange to feel uneasy when miniatures representing fictional entities aren't the right scale, if the game itself doesn't suffer any harm. If things were "right scale" the SSD would have to be 19 times bigger than an ISD and the CR90 would be smaller than an inch. You would need to be careful not to breath in some starfighters while measuring distance!

The FFG model for SSD is 3 times the length of an ISD. I made a simple 2-D-proxy out of cardboard to try the SSD out. Even this was impressing next to an ISD! Small ships are really tiny next to it. And it fits well at the table. (But I never tried to stick one of my CR90s in the ISD's hangar, so I maybe don't count.)

On June 19, 2019 at 8:35 PM, The Jabbawookie said:

At the very least the Gladiator, MC30 and AF2 don't have canon sizes, because that would require being canon.

Edit: nvm, noticed the disclaimer.

Gladiator is canon. As I recall, it was mentioned in the novel Tarkin, which is official Mouse canon.

7 hours ago, The Jabbawookie said:

I thought that was the thread proving Darth Vader was 3 feet tall...

Ahhh still a fascinating takeaway XD Im hoping you guys start a thread about it soon to spread the truth

1 hour ago, Darth Lupine said:

Gladiator is canon. As I recall, it was mentioned in the novel Tarkin, which is official Mouse canon.

It is not.

Multiple victory mention, and Screed... No Gladiator,.

On the other hand, Tarkin did canonise the Secutor-class Star Destroyer, Imperial Escort Carrier, CC-2200 cruiser, CC-7700 frigate, Carrack-class light cruiser, YT-1000 and a few other things.

10 hours ago, Grumbleduke said:

On the other hand, Tarkin did canonise the Secutor-class Star Destroyer, Imperial Escort Carrier, CC-2200 cruiser, CC-7700 frigate, Carrack-class light cruiser, YT-1000 and a few other things.

I would love to get Escort Carriers, even if their role is sort of already covered.

On June 21, 2019 at 2:13 PM, Drasnighta said:

It is not.

Multiple victory mention, and Screed... No Gladiator,.

Wasn't Screed on there? Gladiator is his flagship...now I have to go read it again. 😁

1 hour ago, Darth Lupine said:

Wasn't Screed on there? Gladiator is his flagship...now I have to go read it again. 😁

No, because Screed is only depicted on Coruscant as part of Naval/Military intelligence.

Demolisher being Screeds ship is only from “Droids” cartoon, and was declared non-canon

1 hour ago, Drasnighta said:

No, because Screed is only depicted on Coruscant as part of Naval/Military intelligence.

Demolisher being Screeds ship is only from “Droids” cartoon, and was declared non-canon

Doggone it. Still gonna reread it.

On 6/22/2019 at 6:06 PM, Drasnighta said:

No, because Screed is only depicted on Coruscant as part of Naval/Military intelligence.

In the Tarkin novel Screed is part of the imperial navy high command. If I am remembering right.

1 hour ago, Kylemcph240 said:

In the Tarkin novel Screed is part of the imperial navy high command. If I am remembering right.

I admit I get mixed up between Rancid, Screed, Isen, Isard and all... I just know that two of them were Navy Intelligence, and two of them were Military Intelligence.