I can't believe I missed them the first time I looked at the announcement article, but it's very clear the new corps units have a new token. The token has a surge emblem. Seeing as neither unit has a surge value, do you think these tokens will give the corps units more variability in how they use surges?

Here's the images from the article



The image on the token seems to be half defensive surge half attack surge too.



I can't have been the first person to see these, has there been any predictions or discussions about this yet?

I believe when the units were previewed, people assumed it's a new action that allows you to convert 1 surge to the result (block/hit) in whichever situation.

Short answer: yes it will change how surges are handled and open up more design space.

What we also know: Clone troopers subtype of troopers can share/spend each other’s green tokens if they are at range 1. How the specific surge tokens are earned or gained is not known. Anything beyond that is pure speculation.

12 minutes ago, manoftomorrow010 said:

I believe when the units were previewed, people assumed it's a new action that allows you to convert 1 surge to the result (block/hit) in whichever situation.

1 minute ago, ScummyRebel said:

Short answer: yes it will change how surges are handled and open up more design space.

What we also know: Clone troopers subtype of troopers can share/spend each other’s green tokens if they are at range 1. How the specific surge tokens are earned or gained is not known. Anything beyond that is pure speculation.

Thanks guys. I completely missed this discussion when these were announced. I'm excited to see how this effects the current factions.

34 minutes ago, Darth Sanguis said:

Thanks guys. I completely missed this discussion when these were announced. I'm excited to see how this effects the current factions.

No worries! It's been a while since that announcement (or so it seems)!

I'm excited for more things like this, as opposed to each unit have one surge or another innately.

29 minutes ago, manoftomorrow010 said:

No worries! It's been a while since that announcement (or so it seems)!

I'm excited for more things like this, as opposed to each unit have one surge or another innately.

It’s been since late March, so I would quantify that as a long time

I read something like "this tokens will buff Vader specially" from adepticon or celebration (can't remember) but to me is better an aim or dodge than expending actions in surge... If is via force power, is hard to know but 1 token = 1 surge is not that powerful to me.

14 minutes ago, naitsirk said:

I read something like "this tokens will buff Vader specially" from adepticon or celebration (can't remember) but to me is better an aim or dodge than expending actions in surge... If is via force power, is hard to know but 1 token = 1 surge is not that powerful to me.

It's a very powerful ability, it's similar to the force in x wing. Think of the combinations you can do, like having a z-6 squad move and shoot but now have access to the surge results. It plays really well with the clones, as you can use the fire support keyword to have a DC-15A squad with some surge tokens support a z-6 squad, and all of a sudden you have a very large dice pool with a good amount of surge results. It's going to be fun.

21 minutes ago, SnooSnarry said:

It's a very powerful ability, it's similar to the force in x wing. Think of the combinations you can do, like having a z-6 squad move and shoot but now have access to the surge results. It plays really well with the clones, as you can use the fire support keyword to have a DC-15A squad with some surge tokens support a z-6 squad, and all of a sudden you have a very large dice pool with a good amount of surge results. It's going to be fun.

in fact this will punish Vader instead of buff him

Honestly, it sounds way too similar to the Focus or Force action from X-Wing for my tastes, and unless I don't have another option, not something I'm looking forward to.

2 hours ago, Alpha17 said:

Honestly, it sounds way too similar to the Focus or Force action from X-Wing for my tastes, and unless I don't have another option, not something I'm looking forward to.

I'm guessing that the surge token is going to be a new action available to all units. If this is the case, like it or not, the surge token will be in the game.

The only drawback to that is, how do original core players get surge tokens? This is without buying a Clone Wars Core set.

1 hour ago, That Blasted Samophlange said:

I'm guessing that the surge token is going to be a new action available to all units. If this is the case, like it or not, the surge token will be in the game.

The only drawback to that is, how do original core players get surge tokens? This is without buying a Clone Wars Core set.

I'm thinking that maybe only units that don't have a printed surge value can take the action? (are there any GCW era units that have no surge values?)

35 minutes ago, Darth Sanguis said:

I'm thinking that maybe only units that don't have a printed surge value can take the action? (are there any GCW era units that have no surge values?)

Vader, IRG, and the Occupier do not have printed surge values by default.

2 hours ago, That Blasted Samophlange said:

I'm guessing that the surge token is going to be a new action available to all units. If this is the case, like it or not, the surge token will be in the game.

The only drawback to that is, how do original core players get surge tokens? This is without buying a Clone Wars Core set.

I'm pretty sure this is exactly why that won't be the case. It will probably only be abilities and upgrades (like that new force power) that will give them out.

27 minutes ago, thepopemobile100 said:

Vader, IRG, and the Occupier do not have printed surge values by default.

All imperial. I noticed the new shoretroopers don't have surge values.... maybe they'll include them with the shoretroopers?

Though to be honest, I think they are gonna be special to the units they're included in. Only because the droids show 4 and the clones only show 2... to me this means there's an upgrade with a numeric value specified.


though, it's all speculation at this point lol

2 hours ago, That Blasted Samophlange said:

I'm guessing that the surge token is going to be a new action available to all units. If this is the case, like it or not, the surge token will be in the game.

The only drawback to that is, how do original core players get surge tokens? This is without buying a Clone Wars Core set.

I believe they are considered "non-essential" components, and therefore the Organized Play rules allow for use of other company's products, or other means of indicating the tokens if they aren't just included in the products that can use them.

52 minutes ago, Caimheul1313 said:

I believe they are considered "non-essential" components, and therefore the Organized Play rules allow for use of other company's products, or other means of indicating the tokens if they aren't just included in the products that can use them.

Yup. Just use other tokens to clearly indicate it.

Although I suspect the surge tokens will end up being awarded from an upgrade or command card rather than “hey look a new action for anyone to take”

28 minutes ago, ScummyRebel said:

Yup. Just use other tokens to clearly indicate it.

Although I suspect the surge tokens will end up being awarded from an upgrade or command card rather than “hey look a new action for anyone to take”

I'm going to have to disagree as neither the clones or droids can take force upgrades, but get the tokens..

1 hour ago, arnoldrew said:

I'm pretty sure this is exactly why that won't be the case. It will probably only be abilities and upgrades (like that new force power) that will give them out.

.. not to mention that none of the upgrades that are shown seemingly provide the new action. While it is possible that both the unknown gear and comms upgrades provide the action/surge token, It doesn't seem the case. If it did, these upgrades should be included in the card pack. Otherwise the new factions won't have access to these cards.

What this leaves are either a completely new coms and gear upgrade that Rebel and Empire won't have access to - which seems very unlikely, or, the surge token is an action that every unit can take.

That force power is also in the card pack. If it gives a surge token, but there aren't any in the card pack, you're in the same situation. I wonder if there might be a few in the card pack? I doubt it.

1 hour ago, crx3800 said:

That force power is also in the card pack. If it gives a surge token, but there aren't any in the card pack, you're in the same situation. I wonder if there might be a few in the card pack? I doubt it.

The contents don't list any cardboard for the pack, so, it (surge token action) likely doesn't come with any upgrade cards.

This means that it is either exclusive to droid trooper and clone trooper, or, will be an all around rules update and players are expected to either start fresh from the clone wars units or also be buying the starter as well. Imperial or Rebel only players will probably have to wait till a new unit comes with extra tokens.

I suspect this is why the clone and droid expansions come with so many surge tokens, so existing players can ‘build up’ their stock.

Again, these tokens aren't considered "essential" so just use whatever, including glass aquarium beads from a dollar store if you don't have the cardboard bit but need it for old units.

Imperial assault introduced "power tokens" with one of the lates expansions. These tokens enters the game via new unit abilities or new cards and every expansion or single pack since that moment comes with an obscene number of these tokens. Perhaps the same will be happening

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8 hours ago, That Blasted Samophlange said:

I suspect this is why the clone and droid expansions come with so many surge tokens, so existing players can ‘build up’ their stock.

I considered this myself, but then the next question becomes, “why are the two units shown with a different number of surges included?”

It seems odd that they’d include 4 with the droids and 2 with the clones, right?

It seems to me theres obviously some restriction or rule that governs what comes with the unit...

9 hours ago, Darth Sanguis said:

I considered this myself, but then the next question becomes, “why are the two units shown with a different number of surges included?”

It seems odd that they’d include 4 with the droids and 2 with the clones, right?

It seems to me theres obviously some restriction or rule that governs what comes with the unit...

Not at all odd. Clones come with the smoke grenade upgrade and requisite token.

As As that token is not needed in the droid expansion, the punch card will have more room, so adding in two extra surge tokens are included.

This is done because, one, there is space to use, and two, to help build up stockpiles of the token that is new, primarily as FFG believes many current players will also get these expansions from the clone wars.