Delta-Class T-3c Shuttle Speculation Thread!

By ClassicalMoser, in X-Wing

Without the Upsilon and the TIE Shuttle, the Galactic Empire is a little short on solid crew carriers. In addition, there's a shortage of new Canon material to grant a new design to the Galactic Empire (which hasn't seen a new ship since the TIE Reaper).

Enter Director Orson Krennic. The Delta-Class T-3c shuttle was never going to go into production, but when he saw the design, he was impressed and ordered a production run, one of which he kept for himself. This could fill in a the much-needed niche for a cheap, light support shuttle as the Escape Craft, Sheathipede, Resistance Pod, etc. do for other factions. Let the baseless speculation begin!

First off, it's worth noting that the Delta-class is MUCH smaller than the Lambda. 12.5m compared to the Lambda's 25 in length makes it about half size. I doubt a small base would be possible, but a medium would present an adequate compromise. Given the smaller size, 4 hull and 2-3 shields seems appropriate. The defining characteristic of the ship is its emphasis on stealth technology and covert operations, so either an agility of 2 or a ship-ability of something like Cloaking Device would make sense. Perhaps 4 health, 3 shields, one agility and the ship ability:

Stealth Profile - While you are shielded, increase your agility value by 1.

This would effectively give it a vaguely similar survivability to the U-Wing, except it will burn down quickly once the shields are gone.

On to the dial! A support ship with just a tad more maneuvering flexibility than the Reaper or Lambda would be nice, and would fit in with a smaller, more specialized ship. I'm thinking of a dial something like the Auzituck's or HWK's with white turns but no turnaround maneuver and limited blues. Zero-stop optional and definitely red if so.

Slots! There should definitely be only one crew slot. My reasoning? First, I want it to be cheaper. Second, the interior is about the size of the Attack Shuttle's.

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Compare to the much larger Lambda:

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A sensor slot would make sense, and probably the absence of a mod, though alternatively Krennic's title could give it a sensor slot.

Finally, I would argue for a cannon slot and a primary of 2. This keeps the cost down and plays toward the thematics of a stealthy control ship.

By the same token, an action bar of white focus, white jam, red coordinate makes the most sense to me. I could see a reinforce too, or maybe a red boost, but there are no other actions that seem right for this.

For the title, a red cloak runs the risk of resembling the Scimitar too strongly, especially on a Jamming ship, but if the secondary text is different enough, it could help.

Perhaps: • ST-149: Adds [red cloak]. Add [Sensor] slot. While attacking with a [cannon] secondary weapon, roll one additional die. 16 pts.

And then a base cost of 36-38 for generics, scaling upward by initiative to an I5 around 50.

TLDR:

Attack 2, Agility 1, Shields 3, Hull 4.

Actions: Focus, red Coordinate, Jam

Ship ability: Stealth Profile - While defending, if you are shielded, roll one additional defense die.

Dial: 0 red stop, 1 blue straight and banks, 2 blue straight, white banks and turns, 3 white straight, red banks and turns, 4 red straight.

Slots: Cannon, Crew

Title: ST-149 - Add red cloak, add sensor slot, while you attack with a [cannon], roll one additional attack die. 16 pts.

36-50 pt pilots.

It gives some really interesting options: You can take ISB and JB just for the control. You can take just Tactical for a cheap coordinate. Krennic and FCS with the title gives you a stealthy support fighter, or Sloane on her own gives you a fragile but cheaper and faster chassis.

But it won't carry Palp or Death Troopers, which is fine because existing transports do that better anyway.

What do you think? Does this seem about right, or is it way off the mark? The title may be a bit OP or too expensive to see much use, though I like the difference it would give the chassis.

Edited by ClassicalMoser
Accidentally published before I was finished :p

Hmm. So, do they go for the double crew slot, or a single? Double might make sense, but I think a single will keep it at a lower price point, as well as leave the Reaper and Lambda shuttle a nice distinction over it.

Sigh, while I would not be thrilled about this, a cheap, single crew carrier could be what a crew like Admiral Slone needs.

11 minutes ago, ClassicalMoser said:

the Galactic Empire is a little short on solid crew carriers

???

*edit* I mean, like most other factions are worse. FO, Republic, CIS, and Resistance (outside of Australia) are clearly a lot worse. Scum maybe is, too.

Edited by theBitterFig
18 minutes ago, theBitterFig said:

???

*edit* I mean, like most other factions are worse. FO, Republic, CIS, and Resistance (outside of Australia) are clearly a lot worse. Scum maybe is, too.

We have the Reaper and the Lambda, which both fall into the exact same point bracket.

If you want something that fills more or less list space, you really don't have any other options (Decimator is not a support ship). Back when we could put Sloane on the Phantom, that wasn't a big deal, but a single-crew carrier doesn't exist anymore.

FO, Republic, and CIS I'll 100% grant you. They're struggling for ships in general though, and at least they have more on the way. Resistance has the transport and pod (and threepio!) and Scum has the cheapest coordinate in the game, and more importantly, they have variety in their crew carriers. Same price point for both support ships can be a little tricky to work with.

Edited by ClassicalMoser
3 minutes ago, SabineKey said:

Hmm. So, do they go for the double crew slot, or a single? Double might make sense, but I think a single will keep it at a lower price point, as well as leave the Reaper and Lambda shuttle a nice distinction over it.

Sigh, while I would not be thrilled about this, a cheap, single crew carrier could be what a crew like Admiral Slone needs.

Exactly. See also images above

Apologies for the sparse original post and heavy edits. I accidentally published when I was trying to just put in a carriage return 😛 . There's a little more detail there now and I'll be elaborating some more.

I'd much prefer to see these guys:

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https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/LAAT/le_gunship

They're Republic-era ships, but they were also used by the Empire. So they could do a double-faction release (or two different models at different times) and give both factions a nice crew carrier.

3 minutes ago, kempokid said:

I'd much prefer to see these guys:

Imperial_Shuttle_SWRebels.jpg.54e557abffb5a3852267194ce0221652.jpg
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/LAAT/le_gunship

They're Republic-era ships, but they were also used by the Empire. So they could do a double-faction release (or two different models at different times) and give both factions a nice crew carrier.

Not that I'd terribly mind, but unlike the LAAT, Reaper, and Striker, I'm pretty sure those are solely atmospheric craft. They're more like repulsor tanks or swoop bikes than starfighters...

Edited by ClassicalMoser
31 minutes ago, ClassicalMoser said:

But it won't carry Death Troopers.

Seems wrong for Krennic's shuttle to not carry Death Troopers, just thematically speaking.

Anyhow, the design isn't bad. I go back and forth over whether the Agility thing is cool, or just kind of a hassle. I think it'd get extra cool, though, if these could Evade. As to prices, I think there's a risk of getting a jouster with a decent cannon. However, given that Gunboats exist, T-3c probably wouldn't take over.

Another thought which appeals to me: what if it borrowed the Republic Y-Wing's straight-only Blues? That'd be kind of interesting: a shuttle with a mostly-white dial, but the worst blues of them all. Seems like that'd fill an interesting role next to the GOGOGO Reaper, and the majestic Space Cow.

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That said, I'd much rather see a First Order Xi shuttle, and a Republic crew carrier (LAAT? Sentinel?), and a CIS Sheathipede, however. TIE Shuttle configuration could be brought back through one of the long-rumored card packs, and that'd be really easy, without wasting a new ship slot for Empire on something which isn't particularly exciting. I mean, who would rather have a T-3c over a TIE Avenger?

5 minutes ago, ClassicalMoser said:

Not that I'd terribly mind, but unlike the LAAT, Reaper, and Striker, I'm pretty sure those are solely atmospheric craft. They're more like repulsor tanks or swoop bikes than starfighters...

The U-Wing was designed to be a troop-carrier and provide cover fire for ground forces, so there's a precedent in the game already for these types of ships. If it's the main function is to carry crew and support other ships, it can have a 2-die attack and limited or no access to secondary weapons.

9 minutes ago, ClassicalMoser said:

Not that I'd terribly mind, but unlike the LAAT, Reaper, and Striker, I'm pretty sure those are solely atmospheric craft. They're more like repulsor tanks or swoop bikes than starfighters...

They're used in space, S4E4 of Rebels. Slavin sends a few from his Star Destroyer to board and secure the freighter carrying Kyber Crystals for the mysterious-to-the-characters "Stardust" project.

Edited by theBitterFig
1 minute ago, theBitterFig said:

Seems wrong for Krennic's shuttle to not carry Death Troopers, just thematically speaking.

It only ever carried him and his bodyguard on film. The Reaper was what brought the squad in. The diagram shows it only seats like 6-8, same number and seating configuration as the Attack Shuttle and Sheathipede. But I definitely get where you're coming from.

3 minutes ago, theBitterFig said:

Another thought which appeals to me: what if it borrowed the Republic Y-Wing's straight-only Blues? That'd be kind of interesting: a shuttle with a mostly-white dial, but the worst blues of them all. Seems like that'd fill an interesting role next to the GOGOGO Reaper, and the majestic Space Cow.

Would also be really cool, though maybe in that case it would really need a white cloak on the title... Or else no cloak at all. Come to think of it, cloaking Sloane is scary...

4 minutes ago, theBitterFig said:

That said, I'd much rather see a First Order Xi shuttle, and a Republic crew carrier (LAAT? Sentinel?), and a CIS Sheathipede, however. TIE Shuttle configuration could be brought back through one of the long-rumored card packs, and that'd be really easy, without wasting a new ship slot for Empire on something which isn't particularly exciting. I mean, who would rather have a T-3c over a TIE Avenger? 

I mean, why not all of those? Haha. Empire and Rebels are the two factions with the least hope of actual new ships in the future, so I'm just spitballing some ideas. I would rather see this before the TIE Avenger just for Canon and niche reasons, though I'd love to see both eventually. And the TIE/rb.

My favorite thing about star wars is the ships (I played the original x-wing computer game in the ‘90s before i even saw the movies), which puts x-wing right in my wheelhouse. I have at least 1 of every expansion in this game.

Having said that, if this ship comes to the game, it has a good chance of being the first expansion i will not get. Seriously, this eyesore looks like it was designed for a video game that can’t render more than 7 polygons at a time!

1 hour ago, ClassicalMoser said:

It only ever carried him and his bodyguard on film. The Reaper was what brought the squad in. The diagram shows it only seats like 6-8, same number and seating configuration as the Attack Shuttle and Sheathipede. But I definitely get where you're coming from.

I'll have to rewatch the scene sometime.

1 hour ago, ClassicalMoser said:

I mean, why not all of those? Haha. Empire and Rebels are the two factions with the least hope of actual new ships in the future, so I'm just spitballing some ideas. I would rather see this before the TIE Avenger just for Canon and niche reasons, though I'd love to see both eventually. And the TIE/rb.

Fair. I'd just rather get the other ones first. "Another Imperial Shuttle" is mostly a meme, but there's some truth to it.

A couple of us in the Custom Card League have been working on this guy.

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probably around 35 points base?

Upgrade bar crew gunner mod sensor

Medium base

Edited by Kieransi

The TIE Reaper sort of already fills the small crew carrier for the Empire and comes with Krennic. I can only imagine that if the Empire gets another crew carrier it will be from Rebels to add crew options from the show like Thrawn into the game, either with the LAAT/le to have an even smaller crew option for a cheap 1 crew carrier in the high 20s or early 30s for cost or the Sentinel-Class Shuttle as a heavy shuttle. Of the two I vote Sentinel since it is in ANH and could be interesting considering its large crew capacity and being heavily armed it could be the Empire's 4 die attack ship considering it has 8 laser cannons, could get a missile slot since it had 2 concussion missile launchers, and both ion and blaster cannon turrets.

26 minutes ago, Animewarsdude said:

The TIE Reaper sort of already fills the small crew carrier for the Empire and comes with Krennic. I can only imagine that if the Empire gets another crew carrier it will be from Rebels to add crew options from the show like Thrawn into the game, either with the LAAT/le to have an even smaller crew option for a cheap 1 crew carrier in the high 20s or early 30s for cost or the Sentinel-Class Shuttle as a heavy shuttle. Of the two I vote Sentinel since it is in ANH and could be interesting considering its large crew capacity and being heavily armed it could be the Empire's 4 die attack ship considering it has 8 laser cannons, could get a missile slot since it had 2 concussion missile launchers, and both ion and blaster cannon turrets.

Nice Legend stats. Not trying to be a jerk but...

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If you really look at it, the Sentinel is not very heavily armed. It's mostly just a troop carrier.

https://www.starwars.com/video/look-sir-droids

And if one REALLY looks at this video, they'll find the Rebels one is nearly a 1:1 remake of the infamous vessel.

Dunno' where legends got their ideas for what this thing could do, but it was kind of frakking ridiculous.

36 minutes ago, Kieransi said:

probably  around 35 points base?

Upgrade bar crew gunner mod sensor

Medium base   

I like it! But how were jam and the cannon slot missed?

I could go either way on the gunner. Anything to keep points down. And I also like requiring Krennic for the lock for thematic reasons. 😛

4 minutes ago, Captain Lackwit said:

Dunno  ' where legends got their ideas for what this thing could do, but it was kind of frakking ridiculous  . 

As with many things in Legends. One thing gets added on top of another, authors try to outdo one another, and what do we end up with?

32 Death Star lasers.

And the Sun Crusher.

Edited by ClassicalMoser
26 minutes ago, Captain Lackwit said:

Nice Legend stats. Not trying to be a jerk but...

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If you really look at it, the Sentinel is not very heavily armed. It's mostly just a troop carrier.

https://www.starwars.com/video/look-sir-droids

And if one REALLY looks at this video, they'll find the Rebels one is nearly a 1:1 remake of the infamous vessel.

Dunno' where legends got their ideas for what this thing could do, but it was kind of frakking ridiculous.

To be fair, those same stats are listed for canon too due to Star Wars Encyclopedia of Starfighters and Other Vehicles. I always saw it like a larger, slower LAAT/i gunship that lands, using the blaster turrets to help clear the landing zone before dropping troops off.

As for where legends got their ideas for what the ship was capable of the listed reference is Star Wars: Behind the Magic.

Edited by Animewarsdude
3 hours ago, Animewarsdude said:

To be fair, those same stats are listed for canon too due to Star Wars Encyclopedia of Starfighters and Other Vehicles. I always saw it like a larger, slower LAAT/i gunship that lands, using the blaster turrets to help clear the landing zone before dropping troops off.

As for where legends got their ideas for what the ship was capable of the listed reference is Star Wars: Behind the Magic.

And it was all dumb to be honest.

22 minutes ago, Captain Lackwit said:

And it was all dumb to be honest.

You're entitled to that opinion, I just like the shuttle and think it would be more interesting over the LAAT/le.

5 hours ago, Animewarsdude said:

To be fair, those same stats are listed for canon too due to Star Wars Encyclopedia of Starfighters and Other Vehicles. 

Which I'm convinced is a book released for the sole purpose of trolling us, considering the sheer number of mistakes and dubious stats.

Edited by eMeM
15 hours ago, ClassicalMoser said:

But it won't carry Palp or Death Troopers, which is fine because existing transports do that better anyway.

I'm looking forward for a very cheap support ship for the Empire. I wouldn't mind the return of the TIE Shuttle, but the Delta is a great option.

I think the dial of the Delta should not be great (to keep the cost down). And the 2nd crew slot could be optional (ship ability = Specialized craft: You can equip 1 [crew] Upgrade cannon, or 1 [system] Upgrade missile upgrade), so you could have a double crew or double system ship.

12 hours ago, ClassicalMoser said:

the Sun Crusher.

I thank Disney killed Legends every time I remember the ICE-CREAM-CONE-OF-DEATH.

On 6/7/2019 at 5:30 PM, Captain Lackwit said:

Nice Legend stats. Not trying to be a jerk but...

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latest?cb=20150302012438

If you really look at it, the Sentinel is not very heavily armed. It's mostly just a troop carrier.

https://www.starwars.com/video/look-sir-droids

And if one REALLY looks at this video, they'll find the Rebels one is nearly a 1:1 remake of the infamous vessel.

Dunno' where legends got their ideas for what this thing could do, but it was kind of frakking ridiculous.

And in support of this notion:

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2018 LEGO Imperial Landing Craft 75221-1.jpg?201807240822

Hey! Where did my weapons go? Looks like they got thrown into the giant pile of Legends relics.