I run Jake, Ten, Garven and Dutch myself.

Still fine tuning it, but the games have been close even if I lose.

18 hours ago, Blake7689 said:

My friend won a hyperspace Trial running Rebel Beef without a U-wing with Leia. So my answer is some of us have already been flying Beef without Leia, so yes.

Yeah, I run Wedge, Luke, Braylen, Jake and won hyperspace qualifier. Not sure if it counts as beef at 24 hit points though. But I beat three rebel beefs along the way.

Sure. Quad X's or X's + Y's is my jam, anyway.

My current version of rebel beef has 14 points I can spare (pro torp and trickshot). So it can survive rise to Leya and Wedge, maybe even Braylen

Basically, what I'm getting out of this thread is that everyone considers 4 small Rebel ships "Beef".

This is seeming less and less like a list archetype to me and more and more like faction identity. Rebel ships, by and large, are pretty beefy. A few exceptions notwithstanding (A-Wing, Attack Shuttle, Sheathipede, HWK, Z-95), Rebels are high-hp, low agility ships that are good at absorbing a few blows and keeping on task.

Now, with 4 ships being the dominant number in the tournament scene at this point, why would we expect to see many Rebel lists that didn't make much use their most thematic ships (X, Y, B, U, etc.)?

Of course, we could see the return of 3-ship aces or 2-ship freighters, or possibly more use of the small support ships, but "Beef" is beginning to seem to me like the basic identity of the Rebel Faction.

On 6/7/2019 at 9:08 PM, CardinalJester said:

I personally think AP-5 with Leia is a better build than Cassian. A few extra points for the beef, and you don’t have to maneuver around a medium base ship in the middle of your squad. AP-5’s ability is more functional than Cassian’s for the B-Wings, and often you want to keep the stress when the fighting’s tight and and your B-Wings are bumping. The 3 dice from the U-wing are nice, but if you’re using your action to coordinate, the offensive loss isn’t that big.

AP-5’s survivability is surprisingly good; five health/two green always at range 2-3 lives about as well as a sometimes two green medium base that drives right up in the enemy’s face.

My my two cents anyway.

I agree with this, especially if you exchange Ten for Dutch and an extra attack plus free locks for Wedge. I think it hits as hard but gains more flexibility.

Even as someone who plays a lot of Rebels, I do think Leia and Selfless need to go up by 2-3 points, with Biggs and Wedge also due a slight increase. But overall I'm excited by new tools, like Plasma Torps, to help deal with these especially beefy lists.

Luke/Wedge/Braylen/Jake.

Only upgrades are 0 pt S-foils.

Rebel Gristle.

7 hours ago, viedit said:

Luke/Wedge/Braylen/Jake.

Only upgrades are 0 pt S-foils.

Rebel Gristle.

I’ll be surprised if any of those keeps their current price.

Though I hope Jake does, I fear he won’t.

Braylen and Ten are much, much worse without Leia, though.

I mean I played some Braylen without Leia back when she costed 8, but she puts the B-Wings through the stratosphere (well, her and Cassian).

Cassian opening up your dial and Leia allowing you to Koio (even while stressed) are huge, having to go 1 straight/bank each turn to get full mods for Braylen is a huge bummer.
I'm not sure they're worth it without her; they're certainly not God-tier OP like they are in the current conditions.

8 hours ago, ClassicalMoser said:

I’ll be surprised if any of those keeps their current price.

Though I hope Jake does, I fear he won’t.

Braylen for sure needs to go up. At a very minimum his original price, but even at 50 points he's still very viable.

Wedge is...an enigma. It's really the combination of swarm tactics and Leia that push him into s-teir of efficiency. On his own, he's just a very good workhorse. He can only single mod himself, can only get a single reposition under his own power, and is a 2 agi ship with no evade or defensive re-rolls. He does melt easily. I wouldn't mind a bump just to encourage players to look at other options, but I have no issues where he currently is.

Luke -eh. He's a couple points cheaper than Vader. Not an i6, one less force, and doesn't have the action economy of Vader. I don't see him going any more expensive. It's not like he's been a cornerstone in Rebel meta lists.

Jake - he's a two attack dice, 4 health, i4 ship with a fixed primary arc. He's a nice support ship that isn't really a threat on his own. I have no issues with his pricing.

I hope Luke doesn't go up

I compare him to I 4 Aethersprites, similar costs but a big difference in I versus fine tuned controls

Wedge I'd say just has to go up on principle. High I is too cheap overall