https://podcast.notoriousscoundrels.com/e/notorious-scoundrels-ep-35-you-were-my-brother/

The Scoundrels talk about Kyle’s Invader League match with Kingsley, the remaining top 4, and potential worlds meta.

Nice episode... although some of the “Rebels suck, Imps are better....” commentary is getting a little old ;-).

51 minutes ago, Dave Grant said:

Nice episode... although some of the “Rebels suck, Imps are better....” commentary is getting a little old ;-).

I don’t think I’ve ever said that I necessarily agree with the straight “Rebels suck” argument... which is also somewhat of an oversimplification. What we’ve definitely been saying is that they are vulnerable to bad terrain and they feel like they have less competitive options.

It does feel like we’re beating a dead horse at this point, because Invader League has certainly been trending that way in the data, and we’ve been talking a lot about Invader League.

I’m anxious to get Worlds and GenCon behind us so we have more (hopefully different) data to talk about.

"Bad terrains", this is something bad.

Most map I saw for Adepticon were almost copy past with 3 huges line of sight, not a lot of "3D" play possible, everything was on cow floor.

Even further, I do not find they are still the 1/4 terrains needed.

But we need map with building, street, corners. More blocking LoS.

I find this a bit sad to learn from you than Sabine and Bossk would not be available for "American Cup". And a bit sad too that noone really talked about the possibilities of Occupier being a "not that bad" unit with astromec behind, while keeping enough activations.

Ork - not 100% sure who’s who when listening, but don’t think it’s you who’s been flogging that particular dead horse.

Not a problem - as I said still like to listen, it’s just not fully necessary or productive in my humble opinion.

I do agree that Rebels can suffer more (list build depending - I think my imperials would suffer more than your rebels for example) from open terrain - but that’s only a problem if you let it be one (by not doing terrain properly).

Raeven - not sure if you were there, but the Adepticon terrain was very good overall (except for the stupid hidden windows you couldn’t see until you bent down... not that I’m bitter or anything... 😉 ) and no issues at all from me. Some tables were maybe a little light, and some a little terrain heavy - but overall very good.

Rebels don't suck as much as mirror matchups.

@TauntaunScout for this, we will have to wait for September. I really hope that clones wars will break the meta and give new thing. Not other "hero + spam troops" kind of play...

@Dave Grant I was not. French guy here, going to America is a bit difficult to me ^^. Tho, it's a statement made about the videos we got of the event. Perhaps it is the angle of view.

Pffft France... I managed to get there from Hong Kong - no excuse ;-).

Mr Scoundrels - I just want to re-iterate I enjoy your pod-casts and really appreciate you doing them.

My comment was just a minor suggestion for improvement. 🙂

1 hour ago, Dave Grant said:

Pffft France... I managed to get there from Hong Kong - no excuse ;-).

Mr Scoundrels - I just want to re-iterate I enjoy your pod-casts and really appreciate you doing them.

My comment was just a minor suggestion for improvement. 🙂

Totally get it. I know it’s a hot issue right now; the challenge is balancing how much to talk about it.

6 hours ago, RaevenKS said:

@TauntaunScout for this, we will have to wait for September. I really hope that clones wars will break the meta and give new thing. Not other "hero + spam troops" kind of play...

@Dave Grant I was not. French guy here, going to America is a bit difficult to me ^^. Tho, it's a statement made about the videos we got of the event. Perhaps it is the angle of view.

It was definitely that awesome drone angle making things look more open than they actually were. I played some quite LoS heavy maps myself

2 minutes ago, TalkPolite said:

It was definitely that awesome drone angle making things look more open than they actually were. I played some quite LoS heavy maps myself

OK, I imagine. Then it's even weirder to me that full spam units can still be a thing.

7 hours ago, TauntaunScout said:

Rebels don't suck as much as mirror matchups.

Sorry, such a declarative statement cannot be supported because of conditions you've listed here. 😆

3 minutes ago, Irokenics said:

Sorry, such a declarative statement cannot be supported because of conditions you've listed here. 😆

Yes I can.

Rebels don’t lose 100% of the time.

100% of mirror matchups bore me.

There just isn’t enough evidence to say how much less they suck.

2 hours ago, TauntaunScout said:

Yes I can.

Rebels don’t lose 100% of the time.

100% of mirror matchups bore me.

There just isn’t enough evidence to say how much less they suck.

It being subjective (opinion) also means you don’t need to support it. If you were saying they suck, for everyone, well, that’d be different.