What are the Price/Rarity ratings for CotS droids (and clones)?

By HappyDaze, in Star Wars: Edge of the Empire RPG

Other than the Vulture Starfighter and the Hailfire Tank, there do not seem to be Price/Rarity ratings for purchasing the droids in RotS. Sure, arguments might be made that they are not for sale, but I'm pretty sure a crime lord or resourceful PCs can figure out a way to buy a few on the black market (especially since it is possible to buy the Vulture & Hailfire).

It's also interesting that no Price/Rarity is given for purchasing Clone Troopers. While the Republic special ordered the Jango clones, other makes of clones should be available, and it could even be possible that the Kaminoans sold a few "production overruns" or defective Jango clones illegally.

I'm less concerned with the lack of clone prices, but the lack of droid prices is a real disappointment.

You could use the Antiquated Battle Droid (EotE pg. 409) as a base and work backward. During the Galactic Civil War, they were 6500 credits and Rarity 5.

During the Clone Wars, I'd guess that the B1 was perhaps 4000 credits (with it's weapon) and Rarity 3-4.

Just a guess.

45 minutes ago, salamar_dree said:

You could use the Antiquated Battle Droid (EotE pg. 409) as a base and work backward. During the Galactic Civil War, they were 6500 credits and Rarity 5.

During the Clone Wars, I'd guess that the B1 was perhaps 4000 credits (with it's weapon) and Rarity 3-4.

Just a guess.

B2? Droideka? Crab droid? Jango clone?

24 minutes ago, HappyDaze said:

B2? Droideka? Crab droid? Jango clone?

Ghosts of dathomir has droideka.

HappyDaze wants prices for all the CIS droids.

I'm not sure if they're ever given prices.

4 minutes ago, salamar_dree said:

HappyDaze wants prices for all the CIS droids.

I'm not sure if they're ever given prices.

Prices for Jango clones would be a welcome bonus too.

Well the Droideka and BX commando droids are in the chronicles of the gatekeeper. sadly no prices.

The Antiquated Battle Droid is the B1 battle droid. As said above, make it cheaper because it’s more contemporary.

The trade federation probably sold their B1s to many private buyers over the years, so they should be fairly common.

18 hours ago, HappyDaze said:

Prices for Jango clones would be a welcome bonus too.

I think this goes back to that slave cost discussion. You'd probably start there, but then add additional costs for cultivation, processing, certification for use, and final packaging.

Individual Clonetroopers would probably be obscenely expensive. Likely 5-10 times the cost of a slave.

A Clonetroopers "savings" being bulk order relative to the cost of recruiting/conscripting an army, not to mention keeping it on the DL, predictable and uniform production runs, and medical expenses after put in use.

Likewise long term costs would be reduced, as their accelerated growth would mean post conflict care would be uniform and predictable (though I suppose to a Sith, simple "disposal" is also a valid option) as well as shorter than a normal person.

I'd have to go back and rewatch Rebels to recall what little specific information was mentioned on clone retirement plans though.

Rarity would be stupid high though, as you're both looking at a sole source and a restricted item.

Since buying one off Kamino would be comparable to the slave trade, (and even on Kamino you're kinda splitting hairs) I doubt you will ever get an official answer.

The Kaminoans make other clones too. We got Kamino and the Kaminoan species, but no guidelines on purchasing or custom ordering clones. That seems like a missed opportunity to me.

I also have to doubt that buying Jango clones is any more Restricted thannonRepublic types buying Venator-class Star Destroyers.

30 minutes ago, HappyDaze said:

    seems like a missed opportunity to me.

Considering both the slave issue and how easy this can derail a campaign, I'm not crying over it.

30 minutes ago, HappyDaze said:

I  also  have to doubt that buying Jango clon  es is any more Restricted thannonRepublic types buying  Venator-class Star Destroyers   . 

Depends on interpretation. A skilled, trained, motivated workforce is usually harder to get than a boat to put them in.

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56 minutes ago, Ghostofman said:

Considering both the slave issue and how easy this can derail a campaign, I'm not crying over it.

I did say that the lack of a clone Price/Rarity is far less of a concern to me than not having those numbers for the B2, Droideka, Crab Droid, Saboteur Droid, Tactical Droid, and even the pilot variant of the B1. FFG has never worried about a "slave issue" when giving droid prices (despite the fact that core PCs in 2/3 of the lines can be droids).

23 hours ago, salamar_dree said:

You could use the Antiquated Battle Droid (EotE pg. 409) as a base and work backward. During the Galactic Civil War, they were 6500 credits and Rarity 5.

During the Clone Wars, I'd guess that the B1 was perhaps 4000 credits (with it's weapon) and Rarity 3-4.

Just a guess.

Honestly I'd say that 4000 credits is a bit high considering how numerous the B1s were. I think the cost for a B1 unit would be somewhere in the area of 2000 after an E5 blaster rifle is included, and since we're talking mass production for both maybe even less due to the fact that the prices for nearly everything in the books are for costs after reaching market rather than manufacturer costs.

From there, we just have to figure out exactly how many of each other type of droid were produced. The only reason the Separatists didn't field their entire armies with B2s and Droidekas was that both cost much more than B1s did, thus justifying the widespread use of B1s despite their lack of effectiveness. Numbers though are a bit spotty since the number of B1s produced over the course of the war was supposedly in the quintillions, which is probably the result of a writer not knowing math or a mistake since that kind of number would be downright absurd.

The other reason is the B1s are useful for generic manpower. Where as a doideka is not.

Best way would be to look at droids of similiar specs. The security droid is 9600 and is a fairly tough droid whereas the magnaguard (IG-100) is 96000 and of course a lot tougher. Sadly that means a lot of manual work to adjust and consider the values of the droids you're looking for.

Not sure where you are pulling your prices from, but they seem a bit off.

A protocol droid is 5-12k. A non-lethal combat droid is 5k. A medical droid is 12-20k. Law enforcement droids run 8100-9600. The Mangnaguards are 90k. A pilot droid is 15k. A simple security droid is 9600. Astromechs are 8-11k. Viper Probe Droids are 13,700. Assassin Droids are 65k. A communications/business droid is 9k. A maintenance droid is 7500.

The antiquated battle droid is 6500 not due to rarity, but because it's antiquated. It's outdated. It's junk. It's not a rare antique that has increased in value.

It's a 20 year old Toyota Corolla, not a 20 year old Lamborghini Diablo

A new battle droid during the clone wars was probably a 12k investment minimum. The first gen ones you see in Ep1 that needed a control ship might have been cheaper at around 8-10k. A B2 would be considerably more expensive as it has upgraded weaponry and armor. They might be sitting around 25-30k. Droideka is probably a 50k investment when you consider the heavier weapons, the shield generator, the mobility.

The MI-Series Security Droid isn't far off from a B2 and its 41k.

Clones on the other hand are probably even more expensive. Droids can be made on any backwater planet by any number of mud dwelling local residents. They require foundries and a mechanics with a little programming. Slave kids on desert planets can scrap together enough pieces to build a droid. Cloning however, that's crazy expensive science stuff. Those Apple-esque cloning facilities are EXPENSIVE. The Republic clones were the clone, the armor, weapon, training, room and boarding for 9 years. Those clones would have cost a fortune. The only canon reference I'm aware of is the Kaminoans requiring a 1 billion credit downpayment an an additional order of clones. Let's say we are running a typical business operation where they want half up front. An base order for a group of clones is 2 billion. If that's for a legion, you are talking 217k per clone. Food, housing, training, armor, weapon, cloning, and perhaps some military equipment, this might not be out of line. 1 legion, a capital ship for transportation, some fighters, tanks, walkers, speeders, and 9k clones for 2-3 billion. If you go up to a corps, 2 billion seems cheap at 54k a piece just for the clones. Basic military training in the us runs 50-70k per soldier. Military schools cost 30k+ per year.

Pure speculation here. I'd guess the republic was paying 200k per clone all things considered (training, weapon, armor, housing, food). 2-3 billion would get the republic a legion of clones with gear and equipment. A one-off non-accelerated clone sans training/gear/etc is probably a 50k investment. They probably offer a punch card though. Buy 11 clones and your 12th is free!

Before you cry foul by declaring a clone so expensive, keep in mind that clones were way better than battle droids. They offered a lot of advantages over battle droids.

3 minutes ago, kmanweiss said:

Before you cry foul by declaring a clone so expensive, keep in mind that clones were way better than battle droids. They offered a lot of advantages over battle droids.

Not until they are fully mature. That battle droid is a lot better until 9-10 years later. OK, PC clones might be effective as early as age 7 since it's SW and kids can do amazing things, but using slave child soldiers is even uglier than using slave soldiers or child soldiers.

12 minutes ago, HappyDaze said:

Not until they are fully mature. That battle droid is a lot better until 9-10 years later. OK, PC clones might be effective as early as age 7 since it's SW and kids can do amazing things, but using slave child soldiers is even uglier than using slave soldiers or child soldiers.

Technically they were child soldiers given they were 9 years old.

15 minutes ago, Daeglan said:

Technically they were child soldiers given they were 9 years old.

No, they were physically mature by the time they were sent into battle.

1 minute ago, HappyDaze said:

No, they were physically mature by the time they were sent into battle.

Physically yes. Mentally not so much.

24 minutes ago, Daeglan said:

Physically yes. Mentally not so much.

They were mentally mature also. They weren't acting like children. They didn't think like children. They matured at the same accelerated rate.

Being an accelerated clone is basically being an entirely new species. Some species live to be 100 and physically/mentally mature by age 20. Some species live to be 50 and physically/mentally mature by age 10. Some species live to be a week and physically/mentally mature within days.

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They wouldn't have 20 years of experience, but their mental physiology would be as mature as a 20 year olds by the age of 10. Although I've also seen studies that say a human doesn't fully mentally mature in a physiological sense until around age 24.

Those B1 droids are worth about 150 CR a piece I would say. Total pieces of garbage.

40 minutes ago, kmanweiss said:

They were mentally mature also. They weren't acting like children. They didn't think like children. They matured at the same accelerated rate.

Being an accelerated clone is basically being an entirely new species. Some species live to be 100 and physically/mentally mature by age 20. Some species live to be 50 and physically/mentally mature by age 10. Some species live to be a week and physically/mentally mature within days.

But they also were not as mature as adults due to lack of experience and lack of exposure to anything but military training.

3 minutes ago, Daeglan said:

But they also were not as mature as adults due to lack of experience and lack of exposure to anything but military training.

They were mature even though they were native and sheltered. A lack of knowledge and immaturity are quite different.