Possible Conflicting Passages in RRG

By choassassin, in Star Wars: Legion

First, this is for all likely confusing areas in the new RRG released today, May 28, effective yesterday, May 27.

Secondly, within the RRG it states that ground vehicles and block LOS to minis. It later states that ground vehicles, Imperial Tank, cannot obscure minis and provides heavy cover.

Situation. If I run my minis behind the tank and my opponent cannot see the minis from their leader but is able to utilize the move 1 to re-position them so that the other minis can, can my opponent then shoot at my minis behind the tank with the applied cover 2 or does the tank completely block LOS and you cannot shoot at them no matter what?

5 minutes ago, choassassin said:

Secondly, within the RRG it states that ground vehicles and block LOS to minis. It later states that ground vehicles, Imperial Tank, cannot obscure minis and provides heavy cover.

Do you have page numbers? I haven't noticed that, but maybe I missed it.

5 minutes ago, choassassin said:

Situation. If I run my minis behind the tank and my opponent cannot see the minis from their leader but is able to utilize the move 1 to re-position them so that the other minis can, can my opponent then shoot at my minis behind the tank with the applied cover 2 or does the tank completely block LOS and you cannot shoot at them no matter what?

If your leader can't see the defender, then they get heavy cover. Each of your minis that can see at least one defending mini can contribute its dice to the attack pool. In this case, assuming the other minis can actually see, then they get to shoot while the unit leader does not. And heavy cover is applied.

Page 43, "Pieces of terrain and vehicles can block line of sight"

1 minute ago, choassassin said:

Page 43, "Pieces of terrain and vehicles can block line of sight"

Right. Was there a page that says the opposite of that? I'm just confused where the conflicting parts are exactly.

I've been analysing deeply the new RRG and I don't see the problem. Check page 65:

Edited by YuriPanzer

So, although the tank can provide heavy cover, it can also block LOS. I suppose it will be one of those rare instances that some of the minis are on one side of the tank while the leader is available to shoot or be shot at?

There is no conflicting language. It says that ground vehicles can block LoS. Not that they always do. Basically they are like a mobile peice of terrain, like a building. A building can block LoS and/or it can provide cover depending on the vantage point of the attacker.

Then I suppose it comes down to me not understanding and having to ask questions on the forums to get clarification and better understanding.

8 hours ago, KommanderKeldoth said:

There is no conflicting language.

There is no conflicting language. The Rules Reference Guide was written by The Computer. The Computer is your friend. Only a mutant commie would not believe the Rules Reference Guide. Citizens who think they have seen conflicting language must report to their supervisor for immediate termination.

28 minutes ago, TauntaunScout said:

There is no conflicting language. The Rules Reference Guide was written by The Computer. The Computer is your friend. Only a mutant commie would not believe the Rules Reference Guide. Citizens who think they have seen conflicting language must report to their supervisor for immediate termination.

Dear Computer,

sudo rm -rf /

sincerely,

aniron'); DROP TABLE Commies;--

Edited by aniron
3 hours ago, aniron said:

Dear Computer,

sudo rm -rf /

sincerely,

aniron'); DROP TABLE Commies;--

I'm sorry citizen, but that function requires Permission Level: Ultraviolet to execute.

Remember Citizens, misrepresenting your color rank is an act of treason and is punishable by summary execution.

Page 34 (Embark and Disembark)

• When a unit embarks, any tokens that unit has are moved off the battlefield with the unit. That unit still has those tokens.

• When a unit disembarks, any tokens that were moved off the battlefield with the unit are placed back on the battlefield next to the unit. That unit still has those tokens.

• A unit cannot both embark and disembark during the same activation.

Page 62 (Transported)

• While a unit is being transported, it removes tokens at the end of the round as normal.

So if a unit cannot embark and disembark in the same round and loses tokens at the end of the round how does it still keep the tokens it had when it went into the transport?

Page 62 (Transported)

• While a unit is being transported, it cannot perform attacks or be the defender of an attack.

• While a unit is being transported, it cannot gain or spend tokens, except for suppression tokens. Since it cannot be the defender of an attack the only way to get suppression tokens while being transported would be: Give In To Your Anger, Master of Evil, and Annihilation Looms, right?

• While a unit is being transported, it can suffer wounds as normal. So other than the vehicle getting hit the only way to get a wound while being transported would be Force choke, right?

11 minutes ago, Zrob314 said:

So if a unit cannot embark and disembark in the same round and loses tokens at the end of the round how does it still keep the tokens it had when it went into the transport?

It’s probably referring to things like Bounty tokens. Also, if you embarked with multiple suppression tokens, you keep them when you disembark, aside from the one that was removed between rounds.

12 minutes ago, Zrob314 said:

Since it cannot be the defender of an attack the only way to get suppression tokens while being transported would be: Give In To Your Anger, Master of Evil, and Annihilation Looms, right?

Also mind trick! Rebels have their ways, too 😂

12 minutes ago, Zrob314 said:

So other than the vehicle getting hit the only way to get a wound while being transported would be Force choke, right?

Yeah, that’s the only one I can thing of as well.

12 minutes ago, Zrob314 said:

So if a unit cannot embark and disembark in the same round and loses tokens at the end of the round how does it still keep the tokens it had when it went into the transport?

It loses aim/dodge tokens and 1 supression token at the end of the turn like every other unit, but it doesn't lose wound tokens or a commander token when it disembarks or at the end of a turn.

For everything else: Yes you're right.

11 hours ago, choassassin said:

Then I suppose it comes down to me not understanding and having to ask questions on the forums to get clarification and better understanding.

So it's saying that the vehicle is capable of blocking line of sight, judged the same way as for any other terrain. If the tank completely blocks a model's view of another unit, line of sight is blocked. Otherwise, if the model is just obscured, it provides heavy cover.