My favorite way to play is a couple aces and a couple jousters. I don't really joust, but I do like to have a couple ships I like to have that I can use to tie up the opponent's squad for the flankers to come in. I do the whirlpool and then use the cheap ships to cut in.

I have a tournament this Saturday (just found out I can actually make it) and I need help picking a list that goes with that style of play. I don't want to give in and just try and out-joust the beef which is why I don't have ARCs in these lists. Several months ago I won dice flying the Resistance squad you see below, but I feel like Rebel Beef is more abundant and stronger than ever... and I don't know if these have much of a chance. If beef is beatable without out-beefing it? Are these Republic lists better than the Resistance list?

Sheeesh the agony of picking a list for a tournament is real.

Please help me pick and give feedback.

Thanks.

LIST A:

Double Ace Double Joust

(55) Nien Nunb [T-70 X-wing]

(2) R4 Astromech (0) Integrated S-foils (1) Heroic (5) Pattern Analyzer (2) Black One

Points: 65

(38) L'ulo L'ampar [RZ-2 A-wing] (1) Heroic

Points: 39

(48) Lieutenant Bastian [T-70 X-wing] (0) Integrated S-foils

Points: 48

(48) Red Squadron Expert [T-70 X-wing] (0) Integrated S-foils

Points: 48

Total points: 200

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LIST B:

This is Where the Fun Begins

(60) Anakin Skywalker [Delta-7 Aethersprite]

(18) Delta-7B (4) R2 Astromech

Points: 82

(46) Mace Windu [Delta-7 Aethersprite]

(16) Delta-7B (2) R4 Astromech (3) Heightened Perception

Points: 67

(25) Gold Squadron Trooper [V-19 Torrent Starfighter]

Points: 25

(25) Gold Squadron Trooper [V-19 Torrent Starfighter]

Points: 25

Total points: 199

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LIST C :

Hello There.

(46) Mace Windu [Delta-7 Aethersprite]

(16) Delta-7B (2) R4 Astromech (8) Shield Upgrade

Points: 72

(25) Gold Squadron Trooper [V-19 Torrent Starfighter]

Points: 25

(25) Gold Squadron Trooper [V-19 Torrent Starfighter]

Points: 25

(53) Obi-Wan Kenobi [Delta-7 Aethersprite]

(17) Delta-7B (4) R2 Astromech

Points: 74

Total points: 196

It is OK to fear the beef. There are a couple of ways to approach the list and some common denominators to think about. Most beef has Cassian i3, Dutch, Braylen or Ten all i4's and usually wedge i6. the tend to weigh in at about 196 points +or - 2 to three points.

1. you want to try for good aces with re-positioning abilities and win the bid if using other i4's also. Plus a couple of blockers help.

2. Another route to go is possibly using rebel alpha strike to take out 1-2 ships fast and then play for time and pot shots where available.

List A looks like it has some good legs and consistent attack output the two i5's will have complete knowledge accept for Wedge. Consider adding the Jamming beam for the t-70's it is free and could come in handy.

List B Anakin is a monster. You will probably not win the bid with this list. Mace really needs R4-P17 stapled to him (List C also). The GSP are great blockers and are made to die and they will, so Mace and Ani must due all the work. Not having the bid Wedge will have full info on Ani and the other Beef i4's will have full info on Mace. This is not good in my opinion. However the list is a good one.

List C I would drop the R4 mech and take R4-P17 on Mace bumping your total points to 197. You could win the Bid vs other i5's and i4's but you may not.

off the three lists I think A has the better chances as a mistake will be less painful. The ship points cost, attack and defense values are more balanced so losing one does not hurt as bad and losing Anakin, Mace and or Obi in the other lists. This would be really crippling on points lost and also cuts your primary offense in half the GSP's as mentioned are made to block get a hit or two in and die.

A route that I find handy and have used against rebel beef is the following:

T-65 X-wing - •Wedge Antilles - 69

•Wedge Antilles - Red Two(52)

Swarm Tactics (3)

Proton Torpedoes (12)

R4 Astromech (2)

Servomotor S-foils (Closed) (0)

T-65 X-wing - •Thane Kyrell - 63

•Thane Kyrell - Corona Four (48)

Marksmanship (1)

Proton Torpedoes (12)

R4 Astromech (2)

Servomotor S-foils (Closed) (0)

BTL-A4 Y-wing - •“Dutch” Vander - 58

•“Dutch” Vander - Gold Leader (39)

Shield Upgrade (4)

Proton Torpedoes (12)

R3 Astromech (3)

Total: 190

try it out against a friend flying beef against it for practice. You will win the bid with this list. Swarm tactics allows for Dutch and or Thane to shoot at i6 so that they can ini kill stuff. The torps hit like a ton of bricks. If you can time the engagement right at r3 with locks from Dutch either thane or Wedge will have fully modded shots. Two of these can take out any ship in the beef list accepting Cassian, three will probably insure the kill more than likely on Cassian also.

I like the beef of list one, but I would trade Nien's R4 (he doesn't need it) for TS or Pred on Lulo. It feels like it has the resilience to compete with beef, while the other two don't

@BlastyMcBlasterFace Have you listened to the latest Mynock Squadron Podcast? https://www.mynocksquadron.com/

This week, episode #173 is focused on the Resistance and they have a number of competitive lists that they review. I feel the Resistance is in a decent spot and can go far against those Rebel beefy boys. At the very least, they are fun to fly and that (for me) is the main reason to play the game. I hope this helps.

Good luck!

On ‎5‎/‎29‎/‎2019 at 2:01 AM, Cpt.Kirk006 said:

It is OK to fear the beef. There are a couple of ways to approach the list and some common denominators to think about. Most beef has Cassian i3, Dutch, Braylen or Ten all i4's and usually wedge i6. the tend to weigh in at about 196 points +or - 2 to three points.

1. you want to try for good aces with re-positioning abilities and win the bid if using other i4's also. Plus a couple of blockers help.

2. Another route to go is possibly using rebel alpha strike to take out 1-2 ships fast and then play for time and pot shots where available.

List A looks like it has some good legs and consistent attack output the two i5's will have complete knowledge accept for Wedge. Consider adding the Jamming beam for the t-70's it is free and could come in handy.

List B Anakin is a monster. You will probably not win the bid with this list. Mace really needs R4-P17 stapled to him (List C also). The GSP are great blockers and are made to die and they will, so Mace and Ani must due all the work. Not having the bid Wedge will have full info on Ani and the other Beef i4's will have full info on Mace. This is not good in my opinion. However the list is a good one.

List C I would drop the R4 mech and take R4-P17 on Mace bumping your total points to 197. You could win the Bid vs other i5's and i4's but you may not.

off the three lists I think A has the better chances as a mistake will be less painful. The ship points cost, attack and defense values are more balanced so losing one does not hurt as bad and losing Anakin, Mace and or Obi in the other lists. This would be really crippling on points lost and also cuts your primary offense in half the GSP's as mentioned are made to block get a hit or two in and die.

A route that I find handy and have used against rebel beef is the following:

T-65 X-wing - •Wedge Antilles - 69

•Wedge Antilles - Red Two(52)

Swarm Tactics (3)

Proton Torpedoes (12)

R4 Astromech (2)

Servomotor S-foils (Closed) (0)

T-65 X-wing - •Thane Kyrell - 63

•Thane Kyrell - Corona Four (48)

Marksmanship (1)

Proton Torpedoes (12)

R4 Astromech (2)

Servomotor S-foils (Closed) (0)

BTL-A4 Y-wing - •“Dutch” Vander - 58

•“Dutch” Vander - Gold Leader (39)

Shield Upgrade (4)

Proton Torpedoes (12)

R3 Astromech (3)

Total: 190

try it out against a friend flying beef against it for practice. You will win the bid with this list. Swarm tactics allows for Dutch and or Thane to shoot at i6 so that they can ini kill stuff. The torps hit like a ton of bricks. If you can time the engagement right at r3 with locks from Dutch either thane or Wedge will have fully modded shots. Two of these can take out any ship in the beef list accepting Cassian, three will probably insure the kill more than likely on Cassian also.

Thank you for taking to time to spell all this out. I am leaning pretty strong towards the Resistance list.

I think I'll give Republic a spin once I can get Rik on the table!

1 hour ago, Force Majeure said:

@BlastyMcBlasterFace Have you listened to the latest Mynock Squadron Podcast? https://www.mynocksquadron.com/

This week, episode #173 is focused on the Resistance and they have a number of competitive lists that they review. I feel the Resistance is in a decent spot and can go far against those Rebel beefy boys. At the very least, they are fun to fly and that (for me) is the main reason to play the game. I hope this helps.

Good luck!

I always listen to those guys! I wish they would have spent more time on the XXXA archtype though.

If you run jedis, make sure they got R2s. A lot of folks have weird perceptions of them, but the two shields they can give to such incredibly expensive aces is invaluable

I've seen people who fly r2 jedis get REALLY impatient and breakaway to regen ASAP, when that's not really how you effectively use that mech. R2 is for those rounds when you REALLY have no effective means of engaging, either because you physically won't get arc on target or if you'll get absolutely mobbed trying to do so.

Otherwise, pewpew! Jedi have really good pewpew thanks to forcus!

4 hours ago, ficklegreendice said:

If you run jedis, make sure they got R2s. A lot of folks have weird perceptions of them, but the two shields they can give to such incredibly expensive aces is invaluable

I've seen people who fly r2 jedis get REALLY impatient and breakaway to regen ASAP, when that's not really how you effectively use that mech. R2 is for those rounds when you REALLY have no effective means of engaging, either because you physically won't get arc on target or if you'll get absolutely mobbed trying to do so.

Otherwise, pewpew! Jedi have really good pewpew thanks to forcus!

Thanks @ficklegreendice - would you fly Republic or Resistance here? No ARCs allowed though..... :-)

But muh arcs

i dont have any resistance experience, but that list has no mods

Jedi torrents all the way!

46 minutes ago, ficklegreendice said:

But muh arcs

i dont have any resistance experience, but that list has no mods

Jedi torrents all the way!

I am REALLY hoping I can fit Obi Wan, an ARC, a torrent, Rik, and a generic Naboo fighter in a list.

Maybe have to go with Mace.