6 minutes ago, PhantomFO said:

Composure should still work under the timing window in the FAQ. The entry for "Fail" specifically says that you receive the stress token after the action fails, which puts it into the same timing window as Composure. I don't see anything that would prevent you from performing a red barrel roll, failing, using Composure, and then receiving the stress token from the failed action.

4 minutes ago, gamblertuba said:

Game effects come before player effects? Pretty sure it's a no-go.

^^

4 minutes ago, gamblertuba said:

Game effects come before player effects? Pretty sure it's a no-go.

Ah, ****. Missed that line of the ability queue listing in the FAQ.

Well, that's dumb.

20 minutes ago, PhantomFO said:

Ah, ****. Missed that line of the ability queue listing in the FAQ.

Well, that's dumb.

Yeah, they killed this particular interaction like 2 min into 2.0, else composure would be auto stappled to a bunch of ship already!

29 minutes ago, CaptainJaguarShark said:

Why Predator if TC? Lack of another option beyond Crackshot?

It's like an FCS, plus Double repositioning soontir doesnt get a lock action.

Or take a lock + boost/roll, get bullseye for focus. Only have 1 blank? predator reroll.

Also, combined with Vessery, soontir may not want to spend his lock.

double post

I know "nobody" flies Sabine in the Attack Shuttle anymore, but Targeting Computer could be good there, particularly with Composure. Fail the boost/barrel roll from her ability into a Focus, do your move, take a lock. Double mods on her 3 red dice.

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• Anyhow, in general, I think there are three classes of likely users:
  • [1] Aces who don't have locks. Soontir, Whisper, Echo (pairs decently on Phantoms with Fifth Brother for reroll and focus-type modification) , Sun Fac, maybe Duchess and Strikers (but half the point of Striker aces--particularly Duchess--is the cheapness).
  • [2] Ships which need a Lock action for some upgrade or another. I think that's mostly just Tarkin. It'll be nice to have a cheaper version of Krennic which takes a Mod slot instead of a crew-slot.
    • To that end, I kind of wish Passive Sensors required a Lock action. On a ship without a Lock action like a TIE Phantom or Lambda Shuttle, it's kinda-almost-not-quite-sorta a Targeting Computer, plus the Passive Sensors effect.
  • [3] Wullffwarro going for broke. It's almost surely never going to be a top-tables-large-tournament list, but some folks love to go hard with that Wookiee.
• I don't think it often gets just thrown onto a more typical Auzituck, Reaper, or Lambda, if there isn't a specific reason for wanting it. They tend to have strong actions which you'll probably want to perform instead.
• On non-ace TIEs, Quads, and other similar ships, I doubt it'll ever be worth the points. Efficiency is the order of the day.

1 hour ago, wurms said:

Soontir Fel (52)
Predator (2)
Targeting Computer (4)

I don't get the " Soontir Pred TC ". I can't see where it is a good build.

TC OR predator: OK, but not both. Predator is a cheap rerollf in bulseye that cobo with the baron's power? TC can't be that cheap.

Plus: Don't you dare flying Soontir without panache! Any "easy built" should be punish by...pOOf

1 hour ago, wurms said:

It's like an FCS, plus Double repositioning soontir doesnt get a lock action.

Or take a lock + boost/roll, get bullseye for focus. Only have 1 blank? predator reroll.

Also, combined with Vessery, soontir may not want to spend his lock.

LOL for Vessery.

Double-reposition and times when it's just not safe to Lock are pretty valid reasons for taking Predator. It walks the line between a nice level of consistency and excessive redundancy, but the more I think about it, the less I knee-jerk away from Predator.

Also, there just aren't too many options. Crack Shot is pretty tempting, since it'd represent a potential 3rd kind of dice modification, and Soontir can crash and burn easily, so front-loading an evade-cancel might be wise. Trick Shot seems like it'd be wicked hard to use, since Soontir never wants to risk flying over a rock and losing actions. Cards like Daredevil and Juke require specific actions which clash with Locks. Lone Wolf might not be trash, but it requires the right positioning. Outmaneuver is sexy, but it's wicked expensive. Elusive maybe, but that requires a specific way of flying Soontir.

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The other way to think about it is that you're not choosing Predator for a TC-Soontir, but you're adding TC to a Predator Soontir. The standard game plan is just to use Predator most of the time and forget you have a Lock action, but TC adds a lock to take in those rare moments when it's safe, and TC is probably cheap.

Like, if you only need a single reposition action to get bullseye, simply doing that one action and not Evade or Lock into Autothrusters leaves you unstressed, which is a pretty nice advantage in next turn's dial planning.