I am guessing if tariffs are expanded they would include X-Wing products, but I am not positive. Would such a price increase have a major effect on our hobby? Would you change your plans for expanding your collection if prices go up?
Is X-Wing headed for a +25% price increase?
I mean we already got a 33% increase when 2.0 rolled out...
Now it's really hard to follow.
A lot of new ships (that's good), a lot of reprints (only some of them are interesting), price here in Italy are really higher !
I'm not sure that I can continue with my "at least one of all".
1 hour ago, Explorator88 said:I am guessing if tariffs are expanded they would include X-Wing products, but I am not positive. Would such a price increase have a major effect on our hobby? Would you change your plans for expanding your collection if prices go up?
This would require FFG to be highly responsive to something. I think there’s at least a plausible case that the tariff situation is resolved before FFG gets their ducks in a row.
Edit - and to be clear, I think the tariffs will be an issue for at least a few more months.
Edited by PaulRuddSaysUnless someone uses the force and something dramatic happens no one is seeing. I think think this might just be the tip of the iceberg. We shall see though.
I was happier with the 1.0 prices and far more pleasing with the discounted stuff, the only reason I could afford 2.0 was due to a little help and a LOT of trading in of other stuff I had. If the prices went up any more, I'd call it a day with what I have. The only way I could afford anything beyond that would be to sell off a faction at a time to reduce any further needing of ships to fund whatever faction remains.
Doubtful. First off, the tariffs would only affect imports into the US. Canada, the EU, Australia... none of those would be hit.
Secondly, I believe it'd only come off the wholesale price, not the MSRP.
So while it's possible that they may pay more and need to pass those costs along to consumers, it should be far less than 25%, and they have the option to offset it against the global wholesale price instead of just making it a flat 25% increase.
44 minutes ago, infyrana said:I was happier with the 1.0 prices and far more pleasing with the discounted stuff, the only reason I could afford 2.0 was due to a little help and a LOT of trading in of other stuff I had. If the prices went up any more, I'd call it a day with what I have. The only way I could afford anything beyond that would be to sell off a faction at a time to reduce any further needing of ships to fund whatever faction remains.
I’m there already. The 2.0 price increase, coupled with the greater number of factions, have moved me to take a hard look at new acquisitions and start paring down old things I can live without. I also feel more willing to hit up the secondary market than the FLGS for new stuff these days, just to take some of the sting out of the cost.
I am also trying to pair down to just a faction or 2 and only buy just the ships i would need or want to fit into a list. Also, i am trying to work within the confines of the conversion kit i have and mostly buying ships i want that are either on the secondary market or 1.0 ships at my local store that might be on discount.
7 hours ago, Innese said:I mean we already got a 33% increase when 2.0 rolled out...
They got an inflation adjustment after staying at the same price for years, and they will likely stay at the same price for years again - bigly smart trade decisions aside.
I don't know about others, but I'm spending less on Xwing since 2.0 dropped, or at least less for FFG. Transport, tournament fees, or acrylics/3rd party stuff is by now more.
26 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:They got an inflation adjustment after staying at the same price for years, and they will likely stay at the same price for years again - bigly smart trade decisions aside.
I don't know about others, but I'm spending less on Xwing since 2.0 dropped, or at least less for FFG. Transport, tournament fees, or acrylics/3rd party stuff is by now more.
Honestly it’s not exactly just an inflation leap or simply to offset the higher production cost of the new sculpts. The industry has grown much more efficient than that in the last 7 years. Part of it may have been preemptive in case something like this were to happen. Any responsible business will keep a pretty significant margin when releasing a new product.
3 hours ago, ClassicalMoser said:Honestly it’s not exactly just an inflation leap or simply to offset the higher production cost of the new sculpts. The industry has grown much more efficient than that in the last 7 years. Part of it may have been preemptive in case something like this were to happen. Any responsible business will keep a pretty significant margin when releasing a new product.
Buying gas is a perfect example of this. Sadly
I really don't think that games will fall under the expanded tariffs. Think metals like steel and aluminum,pipe products, electronics, etc.
I saw a list yesterday of the items that are being proposed for the latest round of tariffs.
I don't see any category outside of,
9503.00.00 Toys, including riding toys o/than bicycles, puzzles, reduced scale models
or
9504.90.60 Chess, checkers, backgammon, darts and o/table and parlor games played on boards of a special design and parts thereof; poker chips and dice
in which X-wing miniatures would fall. I also don't know under what category they are imported to the US from China. They specifically say on the packaging they are not a toy and are not intended for children under the age of (what is it? 11 or 13? something like that...)
I don't like to be political on the forums but it would be nice if the ships could be made in Canada or the USA.
1 hour ago, Merrick_H said:I saw a list yesterday of the items that are being proposed for the latest round of tariffs.
I don't see any category outside of,
9503.00.00 Toys, including riding toys o/than bicycles, puzzles, reduced scale models
or
9504.90.60 Chess, checkers, backgammon, darts and o/table and parlor games played on boards of a special design and parts thereof; poker chips and dice
in which X-wing miniatures would fall. I also don't know under what category they are imported to the US from China. They specifically say on the packaging they are not a toy and are not intended for children under the age of (what is it? 11 or 13? something like that...)
I believe "Articles nesoi for arcade, table or parlor games & parts & access.; automatic bowling alley equipment & parts and accessories thereof" could also fit (nesoi is" not elsewhere specified or included"). It's been stated elsewhere on the Internet that the second category you listed is the one that covers board games including XWTMG.
This is a Twitter thread of a game designer who is clearly worried about this situation and seems to have an understanding of the potential impacts. There is certainly reason for concern.
That's more about the overall board game market. The question in this thread is really about whether FFG/Asmodee can suffer the additional tariffs or if they baked expectation of something like this into the cost of new products. I don't think we'll know that for some time to come whether this game specifically will have a rise in MSRP.
So math told me that Wave IV would release in late June, given the existing release schedule.
It's not within the realm of possibility that they advanced Wave IV to get as much product through the pipeline before the tariffs hit.
2 hours ago, XPav said:So math told me that Wave IV would release in late June, given the existing release schedule.
It's not within the realm of possibility that they advanced Wave IV to get as much product through the pipeline before the tariffs hit.
Wave 4 is going to be released June 6 according to the latest article.
Some more info and an insider, non neutral view on the matter:
https://www.polygon.com/2019/6/5/18652411/trump-china-tariff-board-games
On 5/15/2019 at 9:33 PM, freakyg3 said:I don't like to be political on the forums but it would be nice if the ships could be made in Canada or the USA.
As a resident of neither of those countries, I'm happy enough having them manufactured wherever the price/quality equation is optimised. If that's China, so be it.
On 5/15/2019 at 9:33 AM, freakyg3 said:I don't like to be political on the forums but it would be nice if the ships could be made in Canada or the USA.
It's cheaper to pay some overworked people in other countries and then pay to import the goods, than it is to manufacture them here.
Political opinions aside, that is a sad fact of life
On 5/14/2019 at 12:57 PM, CoffeeMinion said:I’m there already. The 2.0 price increase, coupled with the greater number of factions, have moved me to take a hard look at new acquisitions and start paring down old things I can live without. I also feel more willing to hit up the secondary market than the FLGS for new stuff these days, just to take some of the sting out of the cost.
Yeah I haven't bought separatists or republic for this reason. I probably will buy one, eventually, and probably not all the ships, but now really waiting to see which faction I want to go in on, if at all.
(this compared to 1.0 where I owned ~1 of every ship for every faction).
3 hours ago, Gibbilo said:Yeah I haven't bought separatists or republic for this reason. I probably will buy one, eventually, and probably not all the ships, but now really waiting to see which faction I want to go in on, if at all.
(this compared to 1.0 where I owned ~1 of every ship for every faction).
A couple weeks later, though, I feel more comfortable with the situation than I had been. I’ve found good homes for a lot of my extraneous 1.0 stuff, which helped me realize just how much I went overboard with purchases in 1.0. And that in turn made me realize how much of an unbalanced card game 1.0 really was.
Why buy 1+ of everything when it’s not unlocking some super boss combo that you better fly if you don’t want to get #rekt? Honestly, 1.0 incentivized a lot of purchasing through its escalating balance wonkiness. In contrast, 2.0 seems pretty decently balanced even when you’re not flying wombo-combos. If you don’t have the wombo cards, you can’t fly the combos... but there’s plenty of other stuff that’s decent enough, so how big a deal is this really?
I dunno. I’m still not thrilled about higher costs, but I think the bigger challenge is to reset the part of my brain that’s telling me I need to keep buying all the new stuff all the time to keep up. I think 2.0’s pricing and balance structure just isn’t geared that way, and it’s mostly just a matter of getting comfortable with that.
Now I just get to fly dorky combos and fun stuff for the heck of it, and I probably don’t have to worry about getting utterly bulldozed unless my dice go cold and I start camping out on rocks.
17 minutes ago, CoffeeMinion said:Now I just get to fly dorky combos and fun stuff for the heck of it, and I probably don’t have to worry about getting utterly bulldozed unless my dice go cold and I start camping out on rocks.
I've been flying Saw/Wulf/Kullbee and I have never had more fun playing X-Wing ever in my life.
None of those 3 ships are meta and I don't think any of the upgrades are either (except Leia, who Rebels basically can't live without now :p).
Been butchering 300-pt lists in FlyCasual. I need to play some real games against aces with it now.
On 6/5/2019 at 6:43 PM, LUZ_TAK said:Some more info and an insider, non neutral view on the matter:
https://www.polygon.com/2019/6/5/18652411/trump-china-tariff-board-games
I've seen and heard several similar articles and comments from people over the last several week that are critical of the tariffs. The concerns are not unfounded but they all focus on the possible negative consequences to themselves without examining the bigger picture of why it's happening.
China has unfair trade practices - they break trade rules, they manipulate their economy at their trading partners' expense, and they literally steal from us* (which besides hurting the companies being stolen from, is also a national security issue). They have been doing this for decades and no one has seriously challenged them on this (although to be fair we (the US) have not always been in the best position economically to do so).
My current job depends heavily on trade with China and so it's not out of the realm of possibility that if the trade issues escalate and/or do not get resolved soon that it could result in me being laid off. But despite being heavily invested in the issues being resolved, I understand that there is a bigger picture and that the issues need to be addressed.
*This also hits home for me because in the past I have worked with a Chinese foreign national whom several of my co-workers and I suspect was stealing trade secrets. (This was only one individual out of many Chinese people I have worked with in my career in case anyone gets the idea that our suspicion was based on race).