1 hour ago, LTuser said:

So its acceptable for a Majair, but NOT for a jedi?

The argument seemed to be that Gandalf was spry for an old man. But he wasn't a man, and he was immortal, so age wasn't a factor.

It is acceptable for a Jedi to have the power to fire a laser beam out of their eyes that can destroy whole galaxies? If not, why not? It would be fun and cool and it's all just fiction anyway.

It’s cool I guess, but if we want to make Episode IV look like the prequels then there needs to be more backflips. And more Jar Jar. And more debates on tax policy.

It's a big bucket of nope from me. The original fight is just fine. Just like the prequels and the new trilogy, this "re-imagining" misses the point.

The original trilogy lightsaber duels aren't about the physicality; they're about the the emotion driving them. In ANH, its the first time they've faced off since Vader became Vader. Kenobi is now outmatched, and he knows it. But he's going to sacrifice himself so Luke can escape. In ESB, it's about how Luke is young and reckless and isn't ready to face Vader-and he suffers the consequences for it. And in ROTJ, it's about Luke giving into his anger for that split moment that allows him to beat Vader but having the self-knowledge and control to recognise what was happening and let go of his anger; fulfilling the final requirement to become a true Jedi.

The fights aren't long and there are no theatrics. No swishy sabre twirlings etc. It's raw emotion conveyed physically.

On 5/8/2019 at 1:00 PM, Captain Lackwit said:

Well that was pretty cool.

Though I will say this.

Imagine if Disney did it, how many people would be SCREAMING.

It is not that bad of a scene compared to some of the Special Editions and Blue Ray scenes. I do think that the whole Revenge of the Sith voice echoes are not needed as that is getting a little too close to G. Lucas style of Retconning.

Still I find it odd is why do people want to change the 3 best Star Wars movies, when there are the other movies that need a lot more attention and help. Seriously throw Jar Jar off the waterfall, dupe someone else into giving emergency powers. Replace Count Dooku with Darth Maul, give Rey some personality, make Kylo less whiny and more intimidating (same for Anikin). Reveal where Snoke came from (he could have been one of Palpatine's aides that got burned by the Death Star 2). I mean Disney already sort of messed up the last two episodes 8 I don't care what they do for 9. But I won't be too upset if they tried to start at 1 and bring a new cast but keep the ep 4-6 story the same, but have some better continuity (and story) for episodes 1-3 and 7-9. As of now, they are jsut throwing out movies and ca$hing in on that good ole $tar War$ name.

That was fun to watch. Kenobi using Sidious like lightsaber methods though...

On 5/8/2019 at 4:14 PM, RedHotDice said:

I have to be honest.. and I dislike it. These two guys are old men by now, they should NOT be fighting like young men - I far prefer the orignal scene in the movie.

You realized that this happen like, ten days after Vader breached into the Rebel ship, massacred everyone, and just let the Tantive IV escaped....

Vader is not a old man.

This <<alt- scene>> is super cool and is EXACTLY what it should has been. The movie scene is an insult to the Jedi-ability.

40 minutes ago, Comte Oseric said:

You realized that this happen like, ten days after Vader breached into the Rebel ship, massacred everyone, and just let the Tantive IV escaped....

Vader is not a old man.

This <<alt- scene>> is super cool and is EXACTLY what it should has been. The movie scene is an insult to the Jedi-ability.

You do realize that Vader walked slowly and just swung his light saber and force-chooked some guys in the R1 scene, which is spot on and not at all like the scene shown here. Had he moved fast and like a young man the Rebels would not have escaped with the Death Star plans.

Vader moves and acted like a force of nature. Which is wholly appropriate, and amazing. Making him run rather than march down like he owned the place would have undercut the tension of just how much he outclassed them.

This wasn’t someone expending the maximum his skill allowed, this was someone who is so far above their weight class that he would intentionally disrespect you by not even trying, and still whipping you like a rented mule.

Him slow walking the corridor showed just how much disdain he had for these ants.

11 minutes ago, RedHotDice said:

You do realize that Vader walked slowly and just swung his light saber and force-chooked some guys in the R1 scene, which is spot on and not at all like the scene shown here. Had he moved fast and like a young man the Rebels would not have escaped with the Death Star plans.

The plan were stolen because of Vader vanity and narcissism, not because of his inability to walk fast and bulldozer everything.

12 minutes ago, Comte Oseric said:

The plan were stolen because of Vader vanity and narcissism

You do realize all this is going on inside your own head...

First, don't let my comments downplay the amount of effort that must have gone into this video. I admire the creators and the awesome job they did bringing this re-imagination to life.

But I do agree it doesn't really fit the characters. It's a bit too much like the prequels in terms of flourish and lack of consequence.

In my personal, unsollicted opinion, a fight between these characters should play out like something out of a Kurosawa fight (lots of tension, short bursts of action)

Or what Disney managed to pull off:

EDIT: oh right

Not a fan of TLJ, but Kylo v Luke is another thing I thought the original Obi v Darth could've been, just Obi desperately stalling for time against an opponent he can't beat (only Obi is obviously a real body)

39 minutes ago, RedHotDice said:

You do realize all this is going on inside your own head...

oh ok. The plan were stolen because Vader was old and too slow to get to them. hehehe nice one.

man, there is a guy, in his basement, that created something crazy wow. People everywhere are saying how amazing this work is. And it is. And ''you'' don't like it, because it is not how it should be based on what you have in your own head, so you felt that you could express a negative opinion on someone else work.

Anyway, this exchange has taken up way too much of our mutual time.

Spot on @ficklegreendice . I thought that scene from Rebels was just about perfect as well.

Like you I don’t want to take away from what the creators did. It is well executed and skillfully made. I approve and applaud their enthusiasm. I do think it doesn’t fit the characters or tone of ANH. Not that the original fight, or the reimagined one, are inherently ‘better’ or ‘worse’. Just that the original is more tonally consistent (for good reason!) with the original film.

However, in a different context or film, the reimagined may fit better.

On 5/9/2019 at 12:41 PM, Darth Meanie said:

Who has Kenobi been practicing with for 20 years??

Probably the same people Rey practised with for twenty seconds before she whopped Snoke's personal guard.

The best part of this sequence has always been been Threepio going from fussy mother hen to “I’m done with this shiff, we’re leaving.”

The video is absolutely amazing. They did a great job trying to blend it into the original. I enjoyed, and will enjoy again, watching it.

But... the original was near perfect. Vader could NOT charge in (like Rogue One) because he knows Obi would counter (seeing future) and you charge someone with guns not a sword.

The only part that that would work in the original is Vader hearing Obi’s voice.

Yet, still amazing job!!

Best saber fight in SW.

earlier, I brought up a lack of consequence as a staple of the prequel fights

I think I could expand upon that by specifying a lack of impact

Specifically, Vader is a towering cyborg that basically represents the slow but inevitable arrival of an unstoppable force like the empire (see also Rogue 1). He's like the ATAT, just a ponderous Dude that takes its time but basically cannot be faced head on. When he finally gets to his opponent, dude should hit a Bantha herd at full tilt.

They did this beautifully in Empire Strikes back, where Vader was basically just ******* around and fighting Luke one-handed. Most importantly, throughout the duration of the fight, he's literally pushing Luke around with just his physical strength.

and then when **** gets reals near the final scene, we still get our good old "fssh fssh" left-right saber bonks, but check out the framing and how Vader is almost literally smushing Luke into the bottom of the screen (plus there's stuff like Luke stumbling around trying frantically to avoid Vader's attacks; Luke's face getting progressively less composed etc etc etc

To say nothing of the horror movie elements and pacing...

So basically yeah, attacking Vader from the front should be a futile exercise (let alone holding your own during a saber clash as an old man)

which is why my absolute FAVORITE part of the Reimagined fight takes place right after the (imo uncharacteristic) Saber Clash.

that slow advance, him just striding through the explosion like a specter out of ****, that forceful upwards strike; THAT's some good **** 👍

(obviously this is all incredibly nitpicky and I've already left my overall feedback before, but I do really enjoy analyzing classic scenes and trying to figure out why they affected me so)

On 5/10/2019 at 11:43 AM, ficklegreendice said:

First, don't let my comments downplay the amount of effort that must have gone into this video. I admire the creators and the awesome job they did bringing this re-imagination to life.

But I do agree it doesn't really fit the characters. It's a bit too much like the prequels in terms of flourish and lack of consequence.

In my personal, unsollicted opinion, a fight between these characters should play out like something out of a Kurosawa fight (lots of tension, short bursts of action)

Or what Disney managed to pull off:

EDIT: oh right

Not a fan of TLJ, but Kylo v Luke is another thing I thought the original Obi v Darth could've been, just Obi desperately stalling for time against an opponent he can't beat (only Obi is obviously a real body)

honestly I liked it better when he didn't talk that much.

4 hours ago, Marinealver said:

honestly I liked it better when he didn't talk that much.

51 minutes ago, ficklegreendice said:

perfect!

On 5/8/2019 at 2:24 PM, Imperial Advisor Arem Heshvaun said:

That’s fair.

But have you seen Japanese Kendo Masters? Some of them are in their late 70’s and 80’s, in their area of expertise these masters put students ‘in their prime’ to near laughable shame.

Also, Space Wizards.

(In comparison, Gandalf persued and fought the Balrog of Moria for ten days.)

This. Hahaha

On 5/9/2019 at 2:43 PM, LTuser said:

So its acceptable for a Majair, but NOT for a jedi?

Can I ask for a Maiar Jedi? 😁

...oh wait, we have one