if some some card or spell such as the trickster causes you to lose your bag of holding, or similar item, do the items in it drop to your space, or does the bag come fully loaded to the person that beat the trickster. the bag just says you lose any items that were in the bag. lose to who though? the space, or the player? also, what about gust of wind and whirlwind. do you choose the order of your rolls? do you even roll for items in the bag, or just roll for the bag?

darthmax said:

It depends on the wording of the card. IIRC, one them is worded that if you lose it, you lose everything in it as well, so opponent could score quite a bit of loot if he takes that carrying object. Others are worded that if you lose it, you must ditch the extra objects in your space, so opponent wouldn't get the objects in the carrying object.

For the others, I'd say you get to pick the order and objects inside the carrying object need to be rolled for as well. FAQ already touches on Concealed Pouch with Whirlwind/Gust of Wind.

So the Trickster has the power to take an Object like Bag of Carrying, Bag of Holding and Concealed Pouch, including the Object/s inside?

These Magic Objects prevent the holder and the Objects inside from being taken after combat or via Spells/Character special abilities. Trickster reward does not belong to above mentioned categories, but why shall we allow such a big exception? Since is not the Trickster but the character that takes 1 Object of his choice... shouldn't we consider it as applying a (temporary) Special ability?

The_Warlock said:

We're not creating an exception, it's been officially ruled on:

"3) Can the Trickster take the Concealed Pouch, Bag of Carrying or Bag of Holding?

A: Yes."

www.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_foros_discusion.asp

The Concealed Pouch doesn't mention anything about losing the object stored inside if the Pouch itself is taken. The FAQ says, in relation to the Shatter spell, that you should leave any surplus objects in the space should you lose the Pouch. So it would seem to suggest that if you lose the Pouch you still keep whatever was stored inside.

With the two bags, I believe if you lose them, either by the bag being destroyed or taken somehow, then you lose whatever is stored inside as well.

That seems harsh but in all fairness there arn't that many spells or cards which can target the bag. And even then it's an assumption that the bag will be targeted by them. The Trickster can only be used within the same region anway, and as more side boards are added there's, probably, less chance people will share the same region as often. Shatter may be better used on another item depending upon the game situation, a Talisman for example.

As a side issue, when you roll for Whirlwind would you roll a bag as if it, and its contents, were one item. For example, if you keep the bag you also keep the items inside without rolling for them individually. Or would you roll for the bag and if it's lost send all the items contained inside with it, but if it's kept you then roll for each item inside to see if you keep it or lose it? Is that example clear enough?

It's a interesting question.

I wonder if a player can take all the objects inside from the bag of holding by using the trickster.

I think that the character who lose the bag must discard all those objects in it.

( it is different with the pouch. a character can steal it, but he does not get the object in it. that object must be ditched or transfer to your own carrying limit or mules etc

I think an official clarification would be useful, as this issue could be quite contentious.

I was just thinking about this but in relation to the object carrying Followers (Mule, Horse and Cart, Porter etc). Any surplus items you have, after losing one of these Followers, get place in the space you're on. I think it's a fair interpretation that the follower is carrying items for you in a similar way that the Bag is carrying some items for you.

But you don't need to declare exactly what they're carrying, unlike the Bags. But then you only have to declare for the Bags since they offer protection, while the followers don't. Anything carried by a Mule, for example, is the same as anything carried by yourself, and just as vulnerable.

I think that a fair and consistent rule would be that if you lose a Bag then the items it holds don't follow the Bag to its new owner or the discard pile. You just place surplus in the space you're on. That brings it inline with the Followers and doen't devalue the bag, nor makes it a double-edged sword.

What do you guys and gals think?

I don't see any issue in just following the wording on the cards.

For Concealed Pouch, FAQ, p. 4:

"Q3: If the Shatter Spell is cast on the Concealed Pouch, do
you lose also any Objects that are inside the Pouch, or only
the Pouch?
A: If you lose the Concealed Pouch, leave any surplus
Objects of your choice in the space you are in."

So CP is like Mule in that sense, get to choose which Objects to keep, which to ditch.

Bag of Carrying (Adventure) and Bag of Holding (Treasure) both state: "If you lose the Bag, you lose any Object stored inside." So they are different from Mule and other carriers. You put all your eggs in one basket (or Bag in this case), you can lose that much more.

You do have the option of swapping stuff in the bag before you lose it (dependant on timing issues). If another char draws Trickster, swap out the best Objects so if the Trickster is defeated, opponent has a choice of Bag with not so good stuff inside or one of your better objects.

I have send a mail to John Goodenough today about the Bag of Holding and the Trickster.

we will hear the answer soon

Well, I forgot the thread about the famous trio of Object-holders.

I'm surprised that so many people had answers from J.Goodenough himself in relative short time, because I didn't receive any. Maybe I did something wrong when I sent the queries.

The Trickster is more than ok if he takes an Object including the content. It's just a card out of hundreds.