On 5/1/2019 at 8:26 AM, thespaceinvader said:

It's an sf silencer. It will be a separate ship with /sf's turret loadout but a more silencer like dial, almost certainly.

I think it is a reimagined interceptor. Imperial interceptor with more blues and a shield....maybe an SF turret too.

Guys holy **** there's no maybe about this SF business.

Like pay the frak attention to the stuff you're seeing! This is easy stuff!

GEEZ.

JUST, GEEZ guys..!

It's a TIE/in SF, or something. It has an SF pod, extra armor, clearly has, CLEARLY has a turret, antenna, and the VN's main guns- that's the wings it has.

THIS
IS
NOT
VONREG'S
TIE FIGHTER
MODEL




IF THESE ARE REMOTELY THE SAME THING TO YOU

GET A **** PAIR OF GLASSES. SERIOUSLY.

3 hours ago, Captain Lackwit said:

IF THESE ARE REMOTELY THE SAME THING TO YOU

GET A **** PAIR OF GLASSES. SERIOUSLY.

Whoah there, dude. You need to calm down a little. I mean I agree that they’re totally different ships, and I think that’s fairly obvious, but you don’t need to get all angry about it.

And while it clearly has a turret, antenna, and red markings, that doesn’t necessarily mean that “Special Forces” will appear in the title. Vonreg’s has the antenna and the red markings differ significantly from the TIE/sf, so it’s not just a SF pod on Silencer wings. This is definitely a new ship.

Maybe it has a Gunner, but the BTL-A4 couldn’t typically equip one (historically - I know it can in-game) and it’s also a turret platform. So let’s not jump the gun here with a certainty that has yet to be proven.

31 minutes ago, ClassicalMoser said:

Whoah there, dude. You need to calm down a little. I mean I agree that they’re totally different ships, and I think that’s fairly obvious, but you don’t need to get all angry about it.

And while it clearly has a turret, antenna, and red markings, that doesn’t necessarily mean that “Special Forces” will appear in the title. Vonreg’s has the antenna and the red markings differ significantly from the TIE/sf, so it’s not just a SF pod on Silencer wings. This is definitely a new ship.

Maybe it has a Gunner, but the BTL-A4 couldn’t typically equip one (historically - I know it can in-game) and it’s also a turret platform. So let’s not jump the gun here with a certainty that has yet to be proven.

Sorry just

There are actually folks suggesting it's the same as Vonreg's and that's just- that's easily the dumbest thing I've read in weeks, you know? hrgh.

Though I can be pretty sure about this being an /sf something, I mean. It has all the trademarks of FO Special Forces.

On 5/4/2019 at 10:13 PM, Captain Lackwit said:

Really great picture finds there, Lackwit. I didn't see those in my Google search. That really does seem like a turret at the bottom, but we can't know if it has the same capabilities as the heavy weapon turret of the TIE/SF.

It lacks the extra energy cells (the things that look like gears) that the SF has when compared to the TIE FO. I'm not sure what the impact on capability this would have. We also can't be 100% it is a 2 seater craft until we see the back of the craft and positivly identify the rear port view. It would be kind of funny if the turret were fixed to fire backwards...but that's just me.

I tried to make it clear that I DIDN'T think that this was a FO Interceptor...that may have not been picked up in my OP.

On 5/4/2019 at 9:13 PM, Captain Lackwit said:

THIS
IS
NOT
VONREG'S
TIE FIGHTER
MODEL

Looking back through the thread, there doesn't really be anyone saying it was.

I did myself say that if XWTMG released this model and put Vonreg in it, I would be fine with that. Maybe that's not exactly how I worded it, but it's what I was meaning. Since we've only seen Vonreg flying the one from SW:R, and I seriously doubt we'll see anyone else fly one, I'm fine with them just putting him in the same chassis as what we see in the film. I'm not sure we'll see him at all otherwise.

On 5/4/2019 at 7:13 PM, Captain Lackwit said:

Sweet, you found the image I couldn't! Aft section of the radiator panels are shorter in length than the TIE/Vn Silencer and the turret is very plain to see under the cockpit. The "antenna" cluster on the cockpit's top right just solidifies it.

I'm a little confused. Can't it be both?

The Silencer had enough differences that I never would have considered it a TIE Interceptor.

But the teaser ship and Vonreg's ship both have all of the main features of a TIE Interceptor without anything significant throwing it off. Also, so far Vonreg's TIE is, as far as I know, a one-off and debuted in a show with a stylized look. They have significant differences, but is it possible that the Resistance show went with one design for the Interceptor, the movie people went with another, and Vonreg's will get quietly established as a personal variant? But otherwise, they're officially both First Order Interceptors?

Or am I confused on the question entirely?

My headcannon is that this is an SF that traded a shield or two for the boost action. Oh, and in addition to Heavy Weapons Turret , this ship has the Autothrusters ship ability. The Silencer part lost a torpedo, but at least it gets to shoot missiles out the back. And it has both sensor and tech slots.

11 minutes ago, Jokubas said:

I'm a little confused. Can't it be both?

The Silencer had enough differences that I never would have considered it a TIE Interceptor.

But the teaser ship and Vonreg's ship both have all of the main features of a TIE Interceptor without anything significant throwing it off. Also, so far Vonreg's TIE is, as far as I know, a one-off and debuted in a show with a stylized look. They have significant differences, but is it possible that the Resistance show went with one design for the Interceptor, the movie people went with another, and Vonreg's will get quietly established as a personal variant? But otherwise, they're officially both First Order Interceptors?

Or am I confused on the issue entirely?

It's different enough that some people will definitely complain about it. Wings are different, no turret pod on Vonreg's, etc. Because Vonreg's seems to be a one-off, I doubt we'll get it in the game. So I' fine with them pretending they're the same, that Vonreg's is a prototype, or at least just putting Vonreg on this one as a pilot. Maybe we'll see Vonreg again and he'll talk about how he decided to add the extra modules that other SF interceptors are now using.

8 minutes ago, player3010587 said:

My headcannon is that this is an SF that traded a shield or two for the boost action. Oh, and in addition to Heavy Weapons Turret , this ship has the Autothrusters ship ability. The Silencer part lost a torpedo, but at least it gets to shoot missiles out the back. And it has both sensor and tech slots.

Ability could be a combination of RZ2 and TIE/SF functions.

39 minutes ago, CaptainJaguarShark said:

It's different enough that some people will definitely complain about it. Wings are different, no turret pod on Vonreg's, etc. Because Vonreg's seems to be a one-off, I doubt we'll get it in the game. So I' fine with them pretending they're the same, that Vonreg's is a prototype, or at least just putting Vonreg on this one as a pilot. Maybe we'll see Vonreg again and he'll talk about how he decided to add the extra modules that other SF interceptors are now using.

Ah, I can get that. I think I prefer Vonreg's TIE's wings from the sides (not so much the front or back, I need those angles). If we never get it in X-Wing because it's established as a one-off in favor of movie designs, I'd definitely understand a feeling of missing out there. Vonreg easily might end up as a pilot on the movie one in that case. Although for fans of Vonreg's, I wonder if a First Order Aces pack with a variant model would ever be possible. That's probably a little too far ahead to think about right now though. 😜

10 minutes ago, Jokubas said:

Ah, I can get that. I think I prefer Vonreg's TIE's wings from the sides (not so much the front or back, I need those angles). If we never get it in X-Wing because it's established as a one-off in favor of movie designs, I'd definitely understand a feeling of missing out there. Vonreg easily might end up as a pilot on the movie one in that case. Although for fans of Vonreg's, I wonder if a First Order Aces pack with a variant model would ever be possible. That's probably a little too far ahead to think about right now though. 😜

Might not get an actual model variant, but I could see them having a model with that paint job further down the road, or a weird promo like the Vulture droid.

12 minutes ago, CaptainJaguarShark said:

Might not get an actual model variant, but I could see them having a model with that paint job further down the road, or a weird promo like the Vulture droid.

That's-

That's not going to happen they're entirely different ships. If FOs and LNs can get different sculpts, WHY DO YOU THINK that'd happen..?

4 minutes ago, Captain Lackwit said:

That's-

That's not going to happen they're entirely different ships. If FOs and LNs can get different sculpts, WHY DO YOU THINK that'd happen..?

Because it's very unlikely that Vonreg's TIE will ever be in the game as it's really likely a one-off. I'd rather have some representation than none.

On the other hand, we don't have other pilots for the Silencer in-lore. But that ship was being piloted by a major character. Vonreg is not so much.

I just want Vonreg to be represented and/or his TIE to be represented in some way. I don't really expect them to release a pack for this ship as it currently stands, so I'd be totally okay with them doing something like this.

6 minutes ago, CaptainJaguarShark said:

Because it's very unlikely that Vonreg's TIE will ever be in the game as it's really likely a one-off. I'd rather have some representation than none.

On the other hand, we don't have other pilots for the Silencer in-lore. But that ship was being piloted by a major character. Vonreg is not so much.

I just want Vonreg to be represented and/or his TIE to be represented in some way. I don't really expect them to release a pack for this ship as it currently stands, so I'd be totally okay with them doing something like this.

If Kazuda is ever a pilot for the Fireball, Vonreg will be a pilot for his ship. Alternatively, he could be a pilot for this thing and Kazuda for the T-85.

But idk, got a gut feeling we'll see the Fireball as one of those "Unique" jobbers with Kazuda, Tamara, Yeager, and maybe Neeku as pilots.

I think they will put Vonreg's ship in the game. They are going to run out of First Order stuff eventually so they will need to use it. That's also wishful thinking because I love Vonreg's ship!

16 hours ago, Captain Lackwit said:

If Kazuda is ever a pilot for the Fireball, Vonreg will be a pilot for his ship. Alternatively, he could be a pilot for this thing and Kazuda for the T-85.

But idk, got a gut feeling we'll see the Fireball as one of those "Unique" jobbers with Kazuda, Tamara, Yeager, and maybe Neeku as pilots.

Fireball and this released together would be awesome but I'm still doubtful of Vonreg's TIE. We disagree on that, nothing wrong with that.

I suppose there will be a time when there's nothing else to release for FO and they might dip here. Maybe Vonreg will even end up on both of them.

OK, but let's at least get out a Willrow Hood crew card before we start to scrape the bottom of the barrel with Vonreg's TIE.

Here's my headcanon:

This is not being piloted by Kylo. This is a Knight of Ren, as they're hunting Rey.

I'll say nothing of the story. It's going to give us a new SF, but more importantly we're going to get more pilots. My dream is that we get some KoR pilots or Special Forces we meet in IX that can pilot both the current SF and the new SF/in.

2 hours ago, bydand said:

Here's my headcanon:

This is not being piloted by Kylo. This is a Knight of Ren, as they're hunting Rey.

I'll say nothing of the story. It's going to give us a new SF, but more importantly we're going to get more pilots. My dream is that we get some KoR pilots or Special Forces we meet in IX that can pilot both the current SF and the new SF/in.

Oh, ****. That's actually a really cool idea.

3 hours ago, bydand said:

Here's my headcanon:

This is not being piloted by Kylo. This is a Knight of Ren, as they're hunting Rey.

I'll say nothing of the story. It's going to give us a new SF, but more importantly we're going to get more pilots. My dream is that we get some KoR pilots or Special Forces we meet in IX that can pilot both the current SF and the new SF/in.

Fine-tuned controls >>>>>> autothrusters!

4 hours ago, bydand said:

My dream is that we get some KoR pilots or Special Forces we meet in IX that can pilot both the current SF and the new SF/in.

Force-using generics would be a real nice addition to the faction.

On ‎5‎/‎7‎/‎2019 at 8:24 PM, BDrafty said:

It lacks the extra energy cells (the things that look like gears) that the SF has when compared to the TIE FO. I'm not sure what the impact on capability this would have.

In the /SF, the high-capacity power cells are what allows it to power a hyperdrive. Lacking them probably means the new thing isn't hyperspace capable, since it doesn't appear to have an extended 'back end' like an Advanced or Silencer, either.

Not that that should matter too much in the board game, of course.

Good spot on the underslung weapons pod - that doesn't necessarily follow that it has forward-and-aft guns like the TIE/sf - but may well be an ordnance tube instead, even if a fixed one. A decent priced interceptor equivalent with the ability to pack proton rockets is nothing to sneeze at.

5 hours ago, Magnus Grendel said:

In the /SF, the high-capacity power cells are what allows it to power a hyperdrive. Lacking them probably means the new thing isn't hyperspace capable, since it doesn't appear to have an extended 'back end' like an Advanced or Silencer, either.

Not that that should matter too much in the board game, of course.

Good spot on the underslung weapons pod - that doesn't necessarily follow that it has forward-and-aft guns like the TIE/sf - but may well be an ordnance tube instead, even if a fixed one. A decent priced interceptor equivalent with the ability to pack proton rockets is nothing to sneeze at.

Interesting observation. Vonreg's TIE actually is hyperspace-capable and has a little bit of material trailing off the cockpit, though not nearly as much as a Silencer or /x1. More on par with a /v1 (also hyperspace capable). Curious whether this one will be.

12 hours ago, ClassicalMoser said:

Interesting observation. Vonreg's TIE actually is hyperspace-capable and has a little bit of material trailing off the cockpit, though not nearly as much as a Silencer or /x1. More on par with a /v1 (also hyperspace capable). Curious whether this one will be.

According to Resistance, some TIE/FOs and even troop transports can also enter Hyperspace.

I know, it's weird, if even somewhat nonsensical.

But hey, it's canon.