5 hours ago, viedit said:

I'm thinking somewhere in line with Tie Strikers. Uncertain on Sun Fac, but would expect Soontir'ish costs. Where pricing gets weird is when you look within the vacuum of CIS and access to cheap, but expendable 3 dice attack with ESC drones.

A couple of ensnare boys with a filled out ESC brigade? That is one scary alpha shot.

3 minutes ago, Hiemfire said:

It does.

Huh.

Boy that's gonna be fast.

Just now, millertime059 said:

A couple of ensnare boys with a filled out ESC brigade? That is one scary alpha shot.

When two squads try to alpha, one of them is wrong.

With the CIS stuff that isn't an infiltrator or a thick bulbasaur some of that stuff is getting burned down before it shoots against a lot of the stuff out there.

50 minutes ago, prauxim said:

I just realized the dial has every basic maneuver except 1str. Is that the most basic maneuvers of any ship?

Also, a tip for those at work: don't be a doof like me and google "nantex HD spread" at work lol

Without looking, I want to say the Tie-Silencer has a better dial. All straights, except 1, in blue. All the banks and all the hard turns. Most of them in blue to boot.

1 hour ago, thespaceinvader said:

And it's the same as the infiltrator and bulbasaur

Inf is missing 1h/5str so 3 maneuvers total.

B22 does have the same basic maneuvers but has other issues: red 3 turn, no K, crap blues, self stresses for repo/focus.

Nantex has 8 blues, and gets rotate/tractor/repo every turn, gets tractor-repo even if stressed and tractor-repo/rotate even if it overlaps a ship/cloud/rock

Also, the tractor-repo is explisitly allowed to be onto obstacles and isn't an action, so there's a whole host of advantages there (doesn't care about stress, non limited to 1/turn). If you have afterburners you can double boost.

Also with Ensnare, you can optionally give the tractor-repo to a non-tractored enemy or friendly at the end of Activation Phase with perfect knowledge. The timing is unrelated to Initiative so you can trigger multiple Ensares in whatever order.

Can a friendly that receives Ensnare-tractor becomes tractored then pass it along using its own Ensnare? I'd guess "no" due the ability que timing.

Either way, the maneuverability shenanigans are gonna be nuts!

The infiltrator has a red 1h...

8 minutes ago, DarthSempai said:

Without looking, I want to say the Tie-Silencer has a better dial. All straights, except 1, in blue. All the banks and all the hard turns. Most of them in blue to boot.

Silencer is missing a 1bank and has same number of blues. Its does have a blue 2 turn, which is arguably a better then the 3bank, but it self stresses for repo so effectively the maneuverability is lower.

I'm not saying either has a better dial, just the same number of basic manoeuvres.

8 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

The infiltrator has a red 1h...

Ah fair, I overlooked it due to being red.

7 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

I'm not saying either has a better dial, just the same number of basic manoeuvres.

Yeah, agreed with regards to the infiltrator, the are both 1 short of having everything. The infiltrators is red, but still that's pretty nuts for a large ships, that and the 2-sloop.

9 minutes ago, prauxim said:

gets tractor-repo even if stressed

Stress stops the tractor-repo since the tractor token is accrued as part of performing the rotate action and the ability doesn't state it ignores stress while doing so.

Yeah that thing is gonna be crazy maneuverable I feel. I think there's a good case to make to always bring gas cloud with them. You can repo yourself on a gas cloud without any damage, still shoot, etc. I think it will kinda take people by surprise who are not used to ship actively playing ON obstacles, instead of around (in the same vein as grappling struts vultures.)

6 minutes ago, Hiemfire said:

Stress stops the tractor-repo since the tractor token is accrued as part of performing the rotate action and the ability doesn't state it ignores stress while doing so.

Ah, dang.