Why is the rebel alliance so bad? Yes they had some nasty builds in first edition, but I thought second edition was made to balance things out... It seems I am wrong. 😥

no offense ffg

What are you talking about? Rebels are in a really good shape. Fat Han, Y-wing spam.. Wedge+Thane+Jake+Dutch, Leia is quite broken for her price.

They are one of the strongest, if not THE strongest faction in the game

You are joking, right? A phenomenal player just won the biggest xwing event ever with rebels in rather convincing fashion.

That, and the most common faction in hyperspace trial cuts is rebels ...

that's the problem they have leia, fat han that stuff is broken.

it's bad (a-wings, hwk-290) or its op (fat han, leia)

Well, after that little switcheroo I can't take this topic seriously any more...

2 minutes ago, bobafett1228 said:

that's the problem they have leia, fat han that stuff  is  broken.

I'm so confused. How can a faction be taking most of the top cuts in tourneys and still be weak? Leia is under costed, no arguments there, but Fat Han builds require smart flying to not just explode like most large ships do these days. A-wings have their uses and the HWK's can still do some work, especially Jan.

fat han can be in 8 different places by just dialing in a 4-straight. you can't predict 8 different places for 1 ship

at least I can't.

1 minute ago, bobafett1228 said:

fat han can be in 8 different places by just dialing in a 4-straight. you can't predict 8 different places for 1 ship

Even thin and/or hyperspace Han is pretty good.

https://listfortress.com/tournaments/546

Wedge Antilles + Servomotor S-foils
Luke Skywalker + Servomotor S-foils
Han Solo + Trick Shot + Lando Calrissian

Made top 8 out of 67 people.

For real? I haven't been playing long but rebels have been solid contenders.

While I agree not every Rebel ship is a knock out, that’s true of every faction. It’ll change as time goes on as new things are released and old stuff gets adjusted. If what you like isn’t up to snuff, it can be frustrating, but the Rebel faction as a whole is doing pretty good right now.

Take a look at what is winning and doing well in some of the larger events. Rebels are in good shape. You could even argue they are the strongest faction right now. Rebel players are spoiled for choice with pilots. Luke, Wedge, Han already mentioned here. 4 ship rebel lists virtually build themselves. XXYU, BBUU, XBYU... pick any 4 you like. YYYYY is another way to go. Then you can go with Han Falcon teamed up with 1-2 aces. Ur hardest task is probably getting good enough with rebels to beat other rebel lists

https://listfortress.com/

I guess I was wrong, and I am just having trouble liking the rebels, and finding good lists to fly. thanks for changing my mind 🙂

Rebels are wide open for play right now. Lots of spicy options.

It may not be the most potent squadron out there, but my Rebel list is one of my favorite lists to fly so far in Second Edition!

T-65 X-wing - •Luke Skywalker - 64
•Luke Skywalker - Red Five (62)
R4 Astromech (2)
Servomotor S-foils (Open) (0)

T-65 X-wing - •Wedge Antilles - 56
•Wedge Antilles - Red Two (52)
Predator (2)
R4 Astromech (2)
Servomotor S-foils (Open) (0)

RZ-1 A-wing - Green Squadron Pilot - 40
Green Squadron Pilot - (32)
Daredevil (3)
Homing Missiles (5)

RZ-1 A-wing - Green Squadron Pilot - 40
Green Squadron Pilot - (32)
Daredevil (3)
Homing Missiles (5)

Total: 200/200

View in the X-Wing Squad Builder

I have played both of these lists with success and plan on taking one to a Hyperspace Trial next month.

UT-60D U-wing - •Cassian Andor - 51
•Cassian Andor - Raised by the Rebellion (47)
Tactical Officer (2)
•Leia Organa (2)

RZ-1 A-wing - •Arvel Crynyd - 39
•Arvel Crynyd - Green Leader (34)
Intimidation (3)
Predator (2)

A/SF-01 B-wing - •Ten Numb - 59
•Ten Numb - Blue Five (46)
Advanced Sensors (10)
Hull Upgrade (3)

A/SF-01 B-wing - •Braylen Stramm - 51
•Braylen Stramm - Blade Leader (47)
Shield Upgrade (4)

Total: 200/200

View in the X-Wing Squad Builder

or

UT-60D U-wing - •Cassian Andor - 51
•Cassian Andor - Raised by the Rebellion (47)
Tactical Officer (2)
•Leia Organa (2)

T-65 X-wing - •Wedge Antilles - 58
•Wedge Antilles - Red Two (52)
Afterburners (6)
Servomotor S-foils (Closed) (0)

RZ-1 A-wing - •Arvel Crynyd - 39
•Arvel Crynyd - Green Leader (34)
Intimidation (3)
Predator (2)

A/SF-01 B-wing - •Braylen Stramm - 51
•Braylen Stramm - Blade Leader (47)
Jamming Beam (0)
Shield Upgrade (4)

Total: 199/200

View in the X-Wing Squad Builder

They are diverse lists and fun to fly. When I get some more practice I will probably be using the second one more often than the first one.

10 hours ago, bobafett1228 said:

fat han can be in 8 different places by just dialing in a 4-straight. you can't predict 8 different places for 1 ship

You've never played against Echo, have you?

12 hours ago, bobafett1228 said:

I guess I was wrong, and I am just having trouble liking the rebels, and finding good lists to fly. thanks for changing my mind 🙂

What sorts of lists have you been trying?

It could be that you're stuck in a 1.0 mindset and trying to re-create 1.0 builds, maybe.

things like this or like this are what I commonly fly. ( I don't have a u-wing. )

Have you checked that you have updated your app with the first points update?

12 hours ago, Cav Scout said:

I have played both of these lists with success and plan on taking one to a Hyperspace Trial next month.

UT-60D U-wing - •Cassian Andor - 51
•Cassian Andor - Raised by the Rebellion (47)
Tactical Officer (2)
•Leia Organa (2)

RZ-1 A-wing - •Arvel Crynyd - 39
•Arvel Crynyd - Green Leader (34)
Intimidation (3)
Predator (2)

A/SF-01 B-wing - •Ten Numb - 59
•Ten Numb - Blue Five (46)
Advanced Sensors (10)
Hull Upgrade (3)

A/SF-01 B-wing - •Braylen Stramm - 51
•Braylen Stramm - Blade Leader (47)
Shield Upgrade (4)

Total: 200/200

View in the X-Wing Squad Builder

or

UT-60D U-wing - •Cassian Andor - 51
•Cassian Andor - Raised by the Rebellion (47)
Tactical Officer (2)
•Leia Organa (2)

T-65 X-wing - •Wedge Antilles - 58
•Wedge Antilles - Red Two (52)
Afterburners (6)
Servomotor S-foils (Closed) (0)

RZ-1 A-wing - •Arvel Crynyd - 39
•Arvel Crynyd - Green Leader (34)
Intimidation (3)
Predator (2)

A/SF-01 B-wing - •Braylen Stramm - 51
•Braylen Stramm - Blade Leader (47)
Jamming Beam (0)
Shield Upgrade (4)

Total: 199/200

View in the X-Wing Squad Builder

They are diverse lists and fun to fly. When I get some more practice I will probably be using the second one more often than the first one.

I see you are a man of culture as well, Arvel Crynyd is a marvellous thing to place on the board.

Have you considered pairing him with a Ion&VTG Horton Salm? It is rather effective.

16 hours ago, bobafett1228 said:

fat han can be in 8 different places by just dialing in a 4-straight. you can't predict 8 different places for 1 ship

you don't have to be in 8 places. you block the 4 forward and the 1 forward. congrats, you just blocked everything but the hard stop, and you're now at range one of han.

10 minutes ago, nikk whyte said:

you don't have to be in 8 places. you block the 4 forward and the 1 forward. congrats, you just blocked everything but the hard stop, and you're now at range one of han.

So han just does the 4 forward, doesn't get shot by the 4 forward block ship or the 1 forward block ship. What valuable shots are going at Han then that does meaningful damage since that 4 forward if dialed in likely still gives him a range 1 to a rock for mods? Also, it's more likely Han is actually doing a 3 bank or 3 turn (potentially either direction) in most games.