All the EW articles about The Mandalorian talk about how Boba basically just appropriated the culture, and I wouldn't be surprised if they end up showing Jango basically did the same.

I for one don't see Jango or Boba as Mandalorian at all - basically just a pretender who used the armor for the reputation it had.

I'm excited to see what the show does and hopefully gives us an iconic Mandalorian warrior that earns the reputation in the fandom where Jango and Boba didn't.

Also, a new article was posted today - a cool new photo included!

3 minutes ago, StarkJunior said:

All the EW articles about The Mandalorian talk about how Boba basically just appropriated the culture, and I wouldn't be surprised if they end up showing Jango basically did the same.

I for one don't see Jango or Boba as Mandalorian at all - basically just a pretender who used the armor for the reputation it had.

I'm excited to see what the show does and hopefully gives us an iconic Mandalorian warrior that earns the reputation in the fandom where Jango and Boba didn't.

Also, a new article was posted today - a cool new photo included!

Except that this view is contradicted by the fact that Jango comes from a Mandalorian colony world. He didn't simply "appropriate" Mandalorian armor, he was raised in Mandalorian warrior culture on a Mandalorian world.

9 minutes ago, Tramp Graphics said:

Except that this view is contradicted by the fact that Jango comes from a Mandalorian colony world. He didn't simply "appropriate" Mandalorian armor, he was raised in Mandalorian warrior culture on a Mandalorian world.

We don't actually know anything about his childhood or how he was raised, specifically. Unless there's a source that specifically states it, we know nothing about it. For all we know, he was born there, then whisked away somewhere else, or whatever. And Hidalgo's tweet - written after the Visual Guide, in fact - says "he claimed to be from Concord Dawn at some point", so it's not at all a definitive where he's from.

He's not part of a Mandalorian clan or a house, so who was he raised by? Who taught him the ways? We don't know, and we have more from LFL that implies he's not a Mandalorian in any way.

3 minutes ago, StarkJunior said:

We don't actually know anything about his childhood or how he was raised, specifically. Unless there's a source that specifically states it, we know nothing about it. For all we know, he was born there, then whisked away somewhere else, or whatever.

He's not part of a Mandalorian clan or a house, so who was he raised by? Who taught him the ways? We don't know, and we have more from LFL that implies he's not a Mandalorian in any way.

We do have a source which states he's from Concord Dawn, a Mandalorian colony world. It's already been cited here in this thread.

3 minutes ago, Tramp Graphics said:

We do have a source which states he's from Concord Dawn, a Mandalorian colony world. It's already been cited here in this thread.

And Hidalgo's tweet - written after the Visual Guide, in fact - says "he claimed to be from Concord Dawn at some point", so it's not at all a definitive where he's from. It might be there because he claimed he was, so they put it there.

But, again, stuff that's come after it from LFL has basically implied he's not a Mandalorian. And all the canon Mandos we've seen since have all had their Clan and House established. Jango has neither.

Just now, StarkJunior said:

And Hidalgo's tweet - written after the Visual Guide, in fact - says "he claimed to be from Concord Dawn at some point", so it's not at all a definitive where he's from. It might be there because he claimed he was, so they put it there.

But, again, stuff that's come after it from LFL has basically implied he's not a Mandalorian.

Yes, it is. Without any actual evidence to the contrary, and without there being any reason for him to lie about it (as opposed to making the claim of being from Mandalore proper), there is no reason to conclude that this is not the truth. Jango is from Concord Dawn.

5 minutes ago, Tramp Graphics said:

Yes, it is. Without any actual evidence to the contrary, and without there being any reason for him to lie about it (as opposed to making the claim of being from Mandalore proper), there is no reason to conclude that this is not the truth. Jango is from Concord Dawn.

Plenty of reason to lie, especially if someone confronts you about where you're from. Probably easier to say you're from a less well-known place, but one that's still associated with the thing you're trying to be, and has more warriors from it, rather than the planet being more associated with pacifists in recent memory.

2 minutes ago, StarkJunior said:

And Hidalgo's tweet - written after the Visual Guide, in fact - says "he claimed to be from Concord Dawn at some point", so it's not at all a definitive where he's from. It might be there because he claimed he was, so they put it there.

But, again, stuff that's come after it from LFL has basically implied he's not a Mandalorian.

For that matter. Stuff that’s come after it from LFL has outright said he’s not a Mandalorian. (Including Filoni’s comments about the Fetts in the same Entertainment Weekly article...a publication that probably reaches more people than a Clone Wars episode, an ancillary reference book, and Pablo’s Twitter feed combined.)

But, from past experience, Tramp feels strongly enough about Jango as a Mandalorian that this is one of the proverbial hills he’s willing to die on. It’s a circular discussion, and will only keep diverting the topic that’s supposed to be about The Mandalorian starring the Mandalorian Mandalorian.

Although it could be interesting to have an episode with The Mandalorian (Man...won’t it be nice when we finally learn his name? They’ve said he’s got one, and it’s not Boba, so I can only guess they’re keeping it under wraps because it would be recognizable to fans...Wren or Vizla...or Shysa, maybe?) encountering Boba (with Daniel Logan back in the role) and taking him to task for that cultural appropriation, with Boba countering that The Mandalorian isn’t much better, since he’s stooped to bounty hunting. Then they could both run into Jodo Kast. 😜

I'm really excited to learn his name, yeah. Would be cool to see a whole new Clan from him, that ends up being under House Vizsla, maybe.

If it ends up being Wren, Season 2 live-action Sabine, perhaps?

8 minutes ago, StarkJunior said:

Plenty of reason to lie, especially if someone confronts you about where you're from. Probably easier to say you're from a less well-known place, but one that's still associated with the thing you're trying to be, and has more warriors from it, rather than the planet being more associated with pacifists in recent memory.

No there isn't. Concord Dawn isn't an important world. It's a small colony. If he were claiming to be from Mandalore, that would be different. Mandalore is a very important world in the sector. It's the capitol of the Mandalorian sector. So making that claim would grant prestige. Claiming to be from a small, out of the way colony that most people in the galaxy probably never even heard of does not do that.

Actually it would be easier to pass the lie off if it's a small colony world. It's less likely to have accurate birth records since many children could be born away from hospitals or the hospitals would be smaller and less staffed. On a bigger world there would be bigger hospitals with stricter rules and it would be less likely that a birth would go undocumented. So by saying he's from a small colony he makes it near impossible for anyone to verify that he's lying.

25 minutes ago, StarkJunior said:

If it ends up being Wren, Season 2 live-action Sabine, perhaps?

People are already speculating that Ming-Na Wen’s mystery character is Ursa Wren.

5 minutes ago, Ahrimon said:

Actually it would be easier to pass the lie off if it's a small colony world. It's less likely to have accurate birth records since many children could be born away from hospitals or the hospitals would be smaller and less staffed. On a bigger world there would be bigger hospitals with stricter rules and it would be less likely that a birth would go undocumented. So by saying he's from a small colony he makes it near impossible for anyone to verify that he's lying.

I disagree because he gets no benefit from doing so. That's my point. There's no prestige to be gained, no glory, no honor. If someone is going to lie about where he or she is from, it's always to gain some form of prestige or other "gain" from doing so. Nobody cares if someone is from the boonies. but claiming to be from Mandalore, or Coruscant, or some other "important" world, that's going to get people's attention. That's going to bring prestige. Yet Jango simply makes the claim that he's a simple man from a simple world. He makes no claims to greatness, he makes no claim to being a great Mandalorian warrior from a long line of warriors. He claims to be from a simple world, "a simple man trying to make his way in the world", nothing more. If anything, he's humble. That makes his claim of where he's from all the more truthful. He's not boasting.

2 minutes ago, Nytwyng said:

People are already speculating that Ming-Na Wen’s mystery character is Ursa Wren.

That would be interesting. Where'd you hear this?

28 minutes ago, Tramp Graphics said:

No there isn't. Concord Dawn isn't an important world. It's a small colony. If he were claiming to be from Mandalore, that would be different. Mandalore is a very important world in the sector. It's the capitol of the Mandalorian sector. So making that claim would grant prestige. Claiming to be from a small, out of the way colony that most people in the galaxy probably never even heard of does not do that.

If he’s making the claim to trade on Mandalorian warrior reputation, claiming to be from Concord Dawn rather than Mandalore proper makes perfect sense. He still claims the link to Mandalorian culture, while maintaining that it’s someplace less verifiable.

Think of the cliche,”Oh, you wouldn’t know the girl/boy I met over vacation. They’re from Canada.”

2 minutes ago, Tramp Graphics said:

That would be interesting. Where'd you hear this?

Just idle fan speculation around the interwebs. Could be interesting, indeed, but I’m personally not getting my hopes up until/unless we see it happen.

If she does play Ursa, that could tie in with Filoni’s nervous laughter and, “Never day never” at D23 about any of his characters making the jump to live action. Granted, they gave the specific example of Ahsoka. A live action Ursa could pave the way for a live action Sabine (played by Tiya Sircar?) and/or Ahsoka on their post-Rebels quest.

2 minutes ago, Nytwyng said:

If he’s making the claim to trade on Mandalorian warrior reputation, claiming to be from Concord Dawn rather than Mandalore proper makes perfect sense. He still claims the link to Mandalorian culture, while maintaining that it’s someplace less verifiable.

Think of the cliche,”Oh, you wouldn’t know the girl/boy I met over vacation. They’re from Canada.”

No, it doesn't. If he's going to make a false claim to the Mandalorian reputation, he'd claim to be from Mandalore, not some backwater no one ever heard of. And, going by Jango's character and personality, he's not one to make boasts, true of false. Just the opposite, in fact. He's humble about who and what he is. As he so elequently put it, "I'm just a simple man trying to make my way in the universe."

That statement doesn't sound like someone who is trying to make a false claim to the Mandalorian warrior culture in order to gain prestige.

I'd note that the word Mandalorian doesn't show up in Episode II at all... or in any of the films. Neither does Mandalore or Concord Dawn. Probably not the best example to use in defense of your point.

He's also talking to a Jedi and is a Separatist, so he's clearly just trying to get Obi-Wan to go away.

2 minutes ago, Tramp Graphics said:

No, it doesn't. If he's going to make a false claim to the Mandalorian reputation, he'd claim to be from Mandalore, not some backwater no one ever heard of. And, going by Jango's character and personality, he's not one to make boasts, true of false. Just the opposite, in fact. He's humble about who and what he is. As he so elequently put it, "I'm just a simple man trying to make my way in the universe."

That statement doesn't sound like someone who is trying to make a false claim to the Mandalorian warrior culture in order to gain prestige.

No, it sounds like someone trying to underplay his significance to a Jedi who’s come poking his nose where it doesn’t belong, someone trying to deny a connection to the attempted assassination of a Republic senator, and get the Jedi to leave him alone long enough to hightail it outta there and hopefully keep him from discovering that he’s the template for Republic clones but tied to the leader of the Separatists - which is exactly what he and Boba do the moment Obi-Wan leaves the room. (And in that scene it’s absolutely not someone claiming - legitimately or falsely - to be Mandalorian.)

6 minutes ago, StarkJunior said:

I'd note that the word Mandalorian doesn't show up in Episode II at all... or in any of the films. Neither does Mandalore or Concord Dawn. Probably not the best example to use in defense of your point.

He's also talking to a Jedi and is a Separatist, so he's clearly just trying to get Obi-Wan to go away.

By contrast it shows someone who isn't one for false boasts. That's my point.

2 minutes ago, Nytwyng said:

No, it sounds like someone trying to underplay his significance to a Jedi who’s come poking his nose where it doesn’t belong, someone trying to deny a connection to the attempted assassination of a Republic senator, and get the Jedi to leave him alone long enough to hightail it outta there and hopefully keep him from discovering that he’s the template for Republic clones but tied to the leader of the Separatists - which is exactly what he and Boba do the moment Obi-Wan leaves the room. (And in that scene it’s absolutely not someone claiming - legitimately or falsely - to be Mandalorian.)

Jango Fett was neither a Republic loyalist nor a Separatist. He was a free agent hired to do a job. And, up to that point, he and Obi Wan were simply discussing the clone army, which, technically, was Jedi business, as a Jedi is the one who placed the order for the Republic. It isn't until after that statement is the mention of his traveling to Coruscant even remotely brought up. Legends gives Jango a reason not to "like" Jedi, but there is nothing in that situation that would make him want to lie about where he's from, or make any false claims.

Yeah, he's a Seperatist and Sith agent doing verious nefarious things on a massive scale, caught red-handed by a Jedi Master, playing for time.

You don't get to be the template of the Grand Army of the Republic if you're a simple man with little ambition. You also don't wear that armour (or even a made in Korea copy of it) if you're a simple man with little ambition. Him wanting an identical clone of himself instead of a son speaks volumes to his 'humility'.

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Jango Fett was neither a Republic loyalist nor a Separatist. He was a free agent hired to do a job. And, up to that point, he and Obi Wan were simply discussing the clone army, which, technically, was Jedi business, as a Jedi is the one who placed the order for the Republic. It isn't until after that statement is the mention of his traveling to Coruscant even remotely brought up. Legends gives Jango a reason not to "like" Jedi, but there is nothing in that situation that would make him want to lie about where he's from, or make any false claims.

Hang on. It's technically Jedi business, but it's actually Sith business, and Fett bloody well knows it. He even says he was hired by Tyrannus and that he has never heard of this Sifo-Dyas. He was seen later gleefully murdering Jedi. Even with the stilted direction, it's clear as day in the acting that Fett isn't even pretending to be serious about his claims.

And Fett is also the one that tried to assassinate Amidala, and Kenobi is clearly on to him. Are you quite sure that this is a situation in which Fett wouldn't want to lie about pretty much everything?

3 hours ago, Tramp Graphics said:

Jango Fett was neither a Republic loyalist nor a Separatist. He was a free agent hired to do a job. And, up to that point, he and Obi Wan were simply discussing the clone army, which, technically, was Jedi business, as a Jedi is the one who placed the order for the Republic. It isn't until after that statement is the mention of his traveling to Coruscant even remotely brought up. Legends gives Jango a reason not to "like" Jedi, but there is nothing in that situation that would make him want to lie about where he's from, or make any false claims.

He’s talking to a Jedi who shouldn’t know about this clone army, but has shown up out of the blue asking questions...one of the same two Jedi who were by Zam’s side when he killed her before she could implicate him in the attempted murder of a Republic senator. Exactly the kind of circumstance to downplay one’s skills and importance, rather than deciding to borrow Wolverine’s trademark, “I’m the best there is at what I do...and what I do isn’t pretty.” He then tries to kill that Jedi, makes a bee line for Geonosis where he tries to kill the Jedi again, then takes a seat in a royal box next to the leader of the Separatists (who he’d have to recognize as the “Tyranus” who hired him as the template for the other side’s army) to watch what’s supposed to be the execution of two Jedi and that Republic senator on a Separatist world. Hardly the actions of a free agent.

All of which is beside one simple truth: as far as LFL is currently concerned, he’s not Mandalorian.

Out of genuine curiosity, Tramp, why so invested in the character’s status as a Mandalorian?

8 hours ago, micheldebruyn said:

The trigger for Lucas flipping out on the Mandalorians Deathwatch and the Fetts was the amount of fan hero worship for a faction he intended to be clear and unambiguous villainous villains, and the way Karen Travis wrote them as basically morally, ethically, and physically perfect Space Marines.

Your reason doesn't make sense. All the Mandalorians, both Fett and Lucas-versions, wear variants of the same armour and look uniform as a whole.

That's the reason that was given, though...

Read here: https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/off-topic-5/boba-and-jango-fett-are-not-mandalorian-1554690/

(But yes, I would agree that the underlying, yet unspoken, reason is that fan-worship for a character that Lucas wanted to be a villain. One that he simply couldn't understand why anyone would like.)

6 hours ago, StarkJunior said:

I'm really excited to learn his name, yeah. Would be cool to see a whole new Clan from him, that ends up being under House Vizsla, maybe.

If it ends up being Wren, Season 2 live-action Sabine, perhaps?

What if it ends up being Fett? And he's out to clear his clans name from those imposters Jango and Boba?

Again, someone seems to conveniently disregard the fact that Jango is the only character whose origins are denoted as “claimed” constantly just for the sake of arguing his initial point. There is a reason that word is used

For some reason, I am now waiting for a map of The Mandalor system with something added in sharpy to get posted.