Telling you guys the mandalorian is Boba. They don’t want to confuse the masses...there can be only one mando to the main stream and that is Boba.

Plus, they can sell more merchandise with Boba as the mandalorian.

Albeit: I want more original content from SW. hence if the mando is not Boba I personally would like it better

1 hour ago, Sincereagape said:

Telling you guys the mandalorian is Boba. They don’t want to confuse the masses...there can be only one mando to the main stream and that is Boba.

Plus, they can sell more merchandise with Boba as the mandalorian.

Albeit: I want more original content from SW. hence if the mando is not Boba I personally would like it better

He's not Boba Fett. This has been confirmed by Jon Favereau, who has gone on record stating in interviews that he specifically wanted to use Fett (and IG-88) , but was told by Lucasfiilm that he couldn't do so.

10 hours ago, OddballE8 said:

What speaks in favor of it being Boba: Boba would be around 40 years old, Pedro Pascal is 44 years old. Boba was a Mandalorian, the Mandalorian is a... well... Mandalorian. They both have similar helmets. That's all I could think of.

What speaks in favor of it not being Boba: It wouldn't make a lick of sense... (No, really. Why would a bounty hunter with a MASSIVE reputation, try to go incognito instead of not only using that reputation, but also adding to it with "survivin the sarlacc pit"? That makes no damned sense!)
Also, Pedro Pascal doesn't sound or look like Jango Fett (which Boba is a clone of) nor does he sound anything like Boba in the movies (before or after the infamous dubbing).
Furthermore, the armour is completely different... only the helmet is somewhat similar (and even that isn't completely similar)... so either he ditched his entire outfit and started anew... or it's not Boba.

8 hours ago, Demon4x4 said:

Except, he's not.

6 hours ago, OddballE8 said:

Oh?
How so?
He was cloned from a Mandalorian, so he could claim to be a Mandalorian by birthright.
He was trained by a Mandalorian, so he could claim to be a Mandalorian by training.
He wore actual Mandalorian armour, so he could claim to be Mandalorian by gear.

What more would he have to do to be considered Mandalorian?

6 hours ago, Nytwyng said:

Except he wasn’t. Jango’s not a Mandalorian, as established by George and confirmed on screen in Clone Wars, with a line that - despite Tramp’s many quite passionate rebuttals that the line can’t be trusted - Filoni has stated explicitly was included to establish that Jango wasn’t Mandalorian.

4 hours ago, DanteRotterdam said:

As far as I am aware Jango claims to be a Mandalorian and maintained he was at all times. Mandalor threw some serious shade though...

4 hours ago, Nytwyng said:

To the best of my recollection, none of his claims to that effect are in any materials included in the current canon. When asked about it on Twitter, Pablo Hidalgo replied that, “I suppose he claimed to be at some point,” pointedly allowing for the claims to still exist, but for those claims to be false.

2 hours ago, OddballE8 said:

I can't seem to find any reference to that anywhere.

Feel free to point me to a video of that or some sort of statement.

Is this in reference to the official position of the Mandalore government, that he wasn't Mandalorian? Because that holds little value.

EDIT: Found the reference you're talking about... both Filoni's statement and Hidalgo's.

That is rather strange, though... and I'd say it seems to stem from Lucas' complicated hate-like relationship to Boba and Jango.
It also begs the question... does he mean they're not Mandalorians, as in "they're not from Mandalorian space" or as in "the current Mandalorian government doesn't consider them Mandalorians"?

Especially since, even in current canon, Mandalorians are more of a cultural group than an ethnic group... basically anyone could become a Mandalorian, whether they were born one or not.
And it also begs the question if the Mandalorian government considered factions like the Death Watch to be Mandalorian or not.

But we all know that whatever Lucas happens to fancy from day to day was written down as actual canon... no matter if it makes sense or not.

So... I guess the most famous Mandalorians in the Galaxy weren't Mandalorians, because George said so... (until Disney changes that in some future canon change)

Jango was not from Mandalore proper, but he was established as being from Concord Dawn, a Mandalorian colony world, and that is still canon. And Jango was adopted by Jaster Mereel, a Mandalorian. So, it really is a matter of "a certain point of view". IS Jango Mandalorian by blood? No. Is he from Mandalorian by virtue of being from Mandalore? No. Can he be considered Mandalorian by virtue of being from a Mandalorian colony, or being raised Mandalorian by a Mandalorian? Yes.

36 minutes ago, Tramp Graphics said:

Jango was not from Mandalore proper, but he was established as being from Concord Dawn, a Mandalorian colony world, and that is still canon. And Jango was adopted by Jaster Mereel, a Mandalorian. So, it really is a matter of "a certain point of view". IS Jango Mandalorian by blood? No. Is he from Mandalorian by virtue of being from Mandalore? No. Can he be considered Mandalorian by virtue of being from a Mandalorian colony, or being raised Mandalorian by a Mandalorian? Yes

Nah, all that stuff about Jaster and such isn't canon anymore, and his claim about being from Concord Dawn was just that - a claim. It's not verified in canon and neither Jango nor Boba are Mandalorian at all.

Blame Lucas if you want, but that's how it is. The Mandalorian in the show is likely going to be the definitive idea of what a Mandalorian warrior is going forward, since they're going to be exploring the culture in the show.

6 minutes ago, StarkJunior said:

Nah, all that stuff about Jaster and such isn't canon anymore, and his claim about being from Concord Dawn was just that - a claim. It's not verified in canon and neither Jango nor Boba are Mandalorian at all.

Blame Lucas if you want, but that's how it is. The Mandalorian in the show is likely going to be the definitive idea of what a Mandalorian warrior is going forward, since they're going to be exploring the culture in the show.

As far as canon goes, he's still from Concord Dawn. That has not been overturned, nor has that claim been denied or debunked in any canon source. And Pablo's statement was explicitly written to leave things open to interpretation as well. So, it is still a matter of a "Certain point of view". As such, it may be true, it may be false. But until some other source explicitly debunks it, Jango is canonically still from Concord Dawn.

20 minutes ago, Tramp Graphics said:

As far as canon goes, he's still from Concord Dawn. That has not been overturned, nor has that claim been denied or debunked in any canon source. And Pablo's statement was explicitly written to leave things open to interpretation as well. So, it is still a matter of a "Certain point of view". As such, it may be true, it may be false. But until some other source explicitly debunks it, Jango is canonically still from Concord Dawn.

No, he’s not. It hasn’t had to be denied or debunked in any canon source, because it hasn’t been made in any canon source.

2 minutes ago, Nytwyng said:

No, he’s not. It hasn’t had to be denied or debunked in any canon source, because it hasn’t been made in any canon source.

Yes, it has. Canonically, Jango is still from Concord Dawn. That is still part of his canon backstory.

1 minute ago, Tramp Graphics said:

Yes, it has. Canonically, Jango is still from Concord Dawn. That is still part of his canon backstory.

Then you can easily point us to the source of the reference.

4 minutes ago, Nytwyng said:

Then you can easily point us to the source of the reference.

It's already been mentioned, Pablo Hidalgo's statements and the new edition of the Complete Visual Dictionary, published SEP 2018. As stated in his canon Wookieepedia page:

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Jango Fett was born in the years prior to the Invasion of Naboo.^[4] He claimed to have been born on the planet Concord Dawn, a Mandalorian world, but his exact history was unknown, although that was how he liked it. While he did wear Mandalorian armor,^[1] officials of Mandalore disavowed any connection to Fett, claiming he was simply a bounty hunter who somehow stole an artifact from their planet's troubled past.^[8] However, Fett's armor itself was fashioned from durasteel alloy, while most Mandalorian armor was made from beskar. However, in most other respects it was the same as the gear that had been designed hundreds of years prior.^[1]

Thus, canonically he is still from Concord Dawn, as far as anyone knows for sure. And he has no reason to lie about where he was born, given that Concord Dawn really isn't all that important of a world. It's not like he claims to be from Mandalore proper.

1 hour ago, Tramp Graphics said:

It's already been mentioned, Pablo Hidalgo's statements and the new edition of the Complete Visual Dictionary, published SEP 2018. As stated in his canon Wookieepedia page:

Thus, canonically he is still from Concord Dawn, as far as anyone knows for sure. And he has no reason to lie about where he was born, given that Concord Dawn really isn't all that important of a world. It's not like he claims to be from Mandalore proper.

A user-editable third-party web site is not a canon source. Care to share a pic of the entry from the Complete Visual Dictionary for those of us who don’t have it?

Mandalorian or not...he was the best warrior/bounty hunter of his era and Mandalorian could touch him.

Jango is from Concord Dawn, or at least has stated he was. Jango being from Concord Dawn is established in Ultimate Star Wars which released in 2015, is written by Pablo Hidalgo, and functioned as the first canon encyclopedia resource for for the new Star Wars canon.

2 hours ago, Gallandro said:

Jango is from Concord Dawn, or at least has stated he was. Jango being from Concord Dawn is established in Ultimate Star Wars which released in 2015, is written by Pablo Hidalgo, and functioned as the first canon encyclopedia resource for for the new Star Wars canon.

Thanks. That one I’ve got. Well, I’ll be sprocked...”Homeworld: Concord Dawn.”

So there’s them establishing the claim, while his status as a Mandalorian has been expressly denied both in-story (Clone Wars) and out by the character’s creator (Lucas), the executive producer/showrunner of the series that refuted it (Filoni) and someone whose job it is to keep track of such details (Hidalgo). I’m still gonna go with them.

Others choose not to, and they’re welcome to.

When it comes to discussion of this series, though, LFL’s stance - so far as we know, anyway - remains unchanged: Jango’s not Mandalorian, so neither is Boba.

If a source goes out of its way to tell us that something is just a claim then it seems pretty weird to take that as meaning it is the truth especially if in the next line there is someone claiming the opposite.

5 hours ago, Nytwyng said:

Thanks. That one I’ve got. Well, I’ll be sprocked...”Homeworld: Concord Dawn.”

So there’s them establishing the claim, while his status as a Mandalorian has been expressly denied both in-story (Clone Wars) and out by the character’s creator (Lucas), the executive producer/showrunner of the series that refuted it (Filoni) and someone whose job it is to keep track of such details (Hidalgo). I’m still gonna go with them.

Others choose not to, and they’re welcome to.

When it comes to discussion of this series, though, LFL’s stance - so far as we know, anyway - remains unchanged: Jango’s not Mandalorian, so neither is Boba.

Well, the thing is... Like I said earlier, being a Mandalorian is not a case of being born somewhere... it's a case of being an adept of a culture (like a dark-side force user doesn't have to be a Sith).

So, while he might be from a Mandalorian colony, if Lucas states that he's not a Mandalorian, then it means that he doesn't follow the Mandalorian culture. Not that I can see why he wouldn't, seeing as how many many other Mandalorians were Bounty Hunters and Mercenaries in their own rights.

It could be the fact that he's not considered part of the current pacifist Mandalorian mainstream culture, nor the conservative Death Watch counter-culture (that would also be considered Mandalorian).

That might be why he's not considered a Mandalorian, despite being born in the Mandalorian society.

EDIT: And I want to be a bit picky here...
1: the in-story claim is completely irrelevant since it's a pacifist government trying to distance themselves from what they would perceive as a violent mercenary with no morals. (the same person also claimed the Death Watch were all dead)
2: Filoni didn't refute it, he only said that Lucas said he wasn't Mandalorian. Of course, that still means he isn't one, but it doesn't mean there are now two sources independently claiming it. Just that Filoni is saying "yeah, Lucas said that".
3: Hidalgo did say that Jango "isn't a Mandalorian", but he left it open to whether or not he was born on Concord Dawn. And like I pointed out earlier, you can be born on Mandalore without being considered a Mandalorian since it's a culture, not a race. So if you don't adhere to that cultures norms, you'd be considered "not a Mandalorian".

That said, I think we can all agree that, according to George Lucas, Jango Fett is not a Mandalorian (the culture), but he might have been born on Concord Dawn (a planet adhering to the Mandalorian Culture).

EDIT 2: Here's a great article about it, that has screens of the tweet: https://nevertellmethepods.com/2017/04/08/no-true-mando/

Another point is that 'Clan Fett' isn't an actual Mandalorian clan anymore, so Fett wasn't a clan name, just a run-of-the-mill surname.

7 hours ago, OddballE8 said:

Well, the thing is... Like I said earlier, being a Mandalorian is not a case of being born somewhere... it's a case of being an adept of a culture (like a dark-side force user doesn't have to be a Sith).

So, while he might be from a Mandalorian colony, if Lucas states that he's not a Mandalorian, then it means that he doesn't follow the Mandalorian culture. Not that I can see why he wouldn't, seeing as how many many other Mandalorians were Bounty Hunters and Mercenaries in their own rights.

It could be the fact that he's not considered part of the current pacifist Mandalorian mainstream culture, nor the conservative Death Watch counter-culture (that would also be considered Mandalorian).

That might be why he's not considered a Mandalorian, despite being born in the Mandalorian society.

EDIT: And I want to be a bit picky here...
1: the in-story claim is completely irrelevant since it's a pacifist government trying to distance themselves from what they would perceive as a violent mercenary with no morals. (the same person also claimed the Death Watch were all dead)
2: Filoni didn't refute it, he only said that Lucas said he wasn't Mandalorian. Of course, that still means he isn't one, but it doesn't mean there are now two sources independently claiming it. Just that Filoni is saying "yeah, Lucas said that".
3: Hidalgo did say that Jango "isn't a Mandalorian", but he left it open to whether or not he was born on Concord Dawn. And like I pointed out earlier, you can be born on Mandalore without being considered a Mandalorian since it's a culture, not a race. So if you don't adhere to that cultures norms, you'd be considered "not a Mandalorian".

That said, I think we can all agree that, according to George Lucas, Jango Fett is not a Mandalorian (the culture), but he might have been born on Concord Dawn (a planet adhering to the Mandalorian Culture).

EDIT 2: Here's a great article about it, that has screens of the tweet: https://nevertellmethepods.com/2017/04/08/no-true-mando/

Don’t get me wrong. I’m not saying it’s impossible (or even all that difficult) to make a decent case for Jango being a Mandalorian.

All I’ve ever said is that the people who actually get to make the decision whether he is or isn’t have said he isn’t, with the current canon sources not invalidating that call.

Which brings us back around to the topic at hand. The Mandalorian of The Mandalorian can’t be a recast and recostumed Fett because the people making that call say the Fetts aren’t Mandalorian, while The Mandalorian’s Mandalorian is Mandalorian. 😁

It could also be something as simple as he doesn't follow the mandalorian code so it wouldn't matter where he was born.

3 hours ago, Nytwyng said:

Don’t get me wrong. I’m not saying it’s impossible (or even all that difficult) to make a decent case for Jango being a Mandalorian.

All I’ve ever said is that the people who actually get to make the decision whether he is or isn’t have said he isn’t, with the current canon sources not invalidating that call.

Which brings us back around to the topic at hand. The Mandalorian of The Mandalorian can’t be a recast and recostumed Fett because the people making that call say the Fetts aren’t Mandalorian, while The Mandalorian’s Mandalorian is Mandalorian. 😁

Have they actually came out and said that The Mandalorian is actually a Mandalorian and not just called The Mandalorian because he's got Mandalorian armour, like Fett did? 🙄

(Yes, this whole thing is silly... both the Fetts were Mandalorians until Lucas decided to change that because, for some inexplicable reason, he couldn't make the other Mandalorians look uniform if the Fetts were actually mandalorians 🤯, because apparently if the Fetts are Mandalorians then all other Mandalorians must look like them... or something... To be honest, I'm happy that Lucas is out... he messed up so many things because he just got in a mood from time to time. Don't get me started on Lightsabers being blockable or not by non-lightsabers...)

1 minute ago, Ahrimon said:

It could also be something as simple as he doesn't follow the mandalorian code so it wouldn't matter where he was born.

Yes, that's what I've been saying...

4 minutes ago, OddballE8 said:

Have they actually came out and said that The Mandalorian is actually a Mandalorian and not just called The Mandalorian because he's got Mandalorian armour, like Fett did? 🙄

Well, showrunner Jon Favreau was quoted in Entertainment Weekly saying, “Our guy is a Mandalorian,” so.... 😜

Just now, Nytwyng said:

Well, showrunner Jon Favreau was quoted in Entertainment Weekly saying, “Our guy is a Mandalorian,” so.... 😜

Well, so were the Fetts until that got changed on a whim

Just now, OddballE8 said:

Well, so were the Fetts until that got changed on a whim

But no such whim has occurred for The Mandalorian’s Mandalorian Mandalorian. 🤣

1 minute ago, Nytwyng said:

But no such whim has occurred for The Mandalorian’s Mandalorian Mandalorian. 🤣

And it most likely won't since Mr. "I change my mind more often than I change my underwear" Lucas isn't running the show any more.

54 minutes ago, OddballE8 said:

Have they actually came out and said that The Mandalorian is actually a Mandalorian and not just called The Mandalorian because he's got Mandalorian armour, like Fett did? 🙄

(Yes, this whole thing is silly... both the Fetts were Mandalorians until Lucas decided to change that because, for some inexplicable reason, he couldn't make the other Mandalorians look uniform if the Fetts were actually mandalorians 🤯, because apparently if the Fetts are Mandalorians then all other Mandalorians must look like them... or something... To be honest, I'm happy that Lucas is out... he messed up so many things because he just got in a mood from time to time. Don't get me started on Lightsabers being blockable or not by non-lightsabers...)

The trigger for Lucas flipping out on the Mandalorians Deathwatch and the Fetts was the amount of fan hero worship for a faction he intended to be clear and unambiguous villainous villains, and the way Karen Travis wrote them as basically morally, ethically, and physically perfect Space Marines.

Your reason doesn't make sense. All the Mandalorians, both Fett and Lucas-versions, wear variants of the same armour and look uniform as a whole.

18 hours ago, Nytwyng said:

Thanks. That one I’ve got. Well, I’ll be sprocked...”Homeworld: Concord Dawn.”

So there’s them establishing the claim, while his status as a Mandalorian has been expressly denied both in-story (Clone Wars) and out by the character’s creator (Lucas), the executive producer/showrunner of the series that refuted it (Filoni) and someone whose job it is to keep track of such details (Hidalgo). I’m still gonna go with them.

Others choose not to, and they’re welcome to.

When it comes to discussion of this series, though, LFL’s stance - so far as we know, anyway - remains unchanged: Jango’s not Mandalorian, so neither is Boba.

13 hours ago, OddballE8 said:

Well, the thing is... Like I said earlier, being a Mandalorian is not a case of being born somewhere... it's a case of being an adept of a culture (like a dark-side force user doesn't have to be a Sith).

So, while he might be from a Mandalorian colony, if Lucas states that he's not a Mandalorian, then it means that he doesn't follow the Mandalorian culture. Not that I can see why he wouldn't, seeing as how many many other Mandalorians were Bounty Hunters and Mercenaries in their own rights.

It could be the fact that he's not considered part of the current pacifist Mandalorian mainstream culture, nor the conservative Death Watch counter-culture (that would also be considered Mandalorian).

That might be why he's not considered a Mandalorian, despite being born in the Mandalorian society.

EDIT: And I want to be a bit picky here...
1: the in-story claim is completely irrelevant since it's a pacifist government trying to distance themselves from what they would perceive as a violent mercenary with no morals. (the same person also claimed the Death Watch were all dead)
2: Filoni didn't refute it, he only said that Lucas said he wasn't Mandalorian. Of course, that still means he isn't one, but it doesn't mean there are now two sources independently claiming it. Just that Filoni is saying "yeah, Lucas said that".
3: Hidalgo did say that Jango "isn't a Mandalorian", but he left it open to whether or not he was born on Concord Dawn. And like I pointed out earlier, you can be born on Mandalore without being considered a Mandalorian since it's a culture, not a race. So if you don't adhere to that cultures norms, you'd be considered "not a Mandalorian".

That said, I think we can all agree that, according to George Lucas, Jango Fett is not a Mandalorian (the culture), but he might have been born on Concord Dawn (a planet adhering to the Mandalorian Culture).

EDIT 2: Here's a great article about it, that has screens of the tweet: https://nevertellmethepods.com/2017/04/08/no-true-mando/

This article pretty much nails it. If Fenn Rau is Mandalorian, despite only coming from Concord Dawn, not Mandalore proper. So, if Fenn Rau is Mandalorian by virtue of coming from a Mandalorian colony world, then Jango Fett is Mandalorian for the same reason.

6 hours ago, Nytwyng said:

Don’t get me wrong. I’m not saying it’s impossible (or even all that difficult) to make a decent case for Jango being a Mandalorian.

All I’ve ever said is that the people who actually get to make the decision whether he is or isn’t have said he isn’t, with the current canon sources not invalidating that call.

Which brings us back around to the topic at hand. The Mandalorian of The Mandalorian can’t be a recast and recostumed Fett because the people making that call say the Fetts aren’t Mandalorian, while The Mandalorian’s Mandalorian is Mandalorian. 😁

And yet, it was Pablo Hidalgo who wrote the book which establishes Jango Fett as still coming from Concord Dawn, a Mandalorian colony world, in the current canon. As such, it still falls under the "Certain Point of View". Jango Fett is not from Mandalore, not a part of the "New Mandalorian faction. He is from a Mandalorian colony and was raised in Madalorian customs. So, he may not be Mandalorian by birth or by pure blood from Mandalore proper, but he is by culture, and upbringing on a Mandalorian colony. And this is backed up by Almec's statements, such as, “No Mandalorian would engage in such violence,” and “All of our warriors were exiled to our moon, Concordia. They died out years ago.” This strongly suggests that Almec does not consider anyone following the "old ways" as not being Mandalorian.

3 hours ago, Ahrimon said:

It could also be something as simple as he doesn't follow the mandalorian code so it wouldn't matter where he was born.

More likely it's his not being from Mandalore proper and not following the Pacifist "New Mandalorian" mindset. If anything, Jango Fett and Boba Fett embody the heart of Mandalorian warrior culture more than any of the "New Mandalorians" on Mandalore.

2 hours ago, OddballE8 said:

Have they actually came out and said that The Mandalorian is actually a Mandalorian and not just called The Mandalorian because he's got Mandalorian armour, like Fett did? 🙄

(Yes, this whole thing is silly... both the Fetts were Mandalorians until Lucas decided to change that because, for some inexplicable reason, he couldn't make the other Mandalorians look uniform if the Fetts were actually mandalorians 🤯, because apparently if the Fetts are Mandalorians then all other Mandalorians must look like them... or something... To be honest, I'm happy that Lucas is out... he messed up so many things because he just got in a mood from time to time. Don't get me started on Lightsabers being blockable or not by non-lightsabers...)

Jon Favereau has said that The title character is indeed Mandalorian.

1 hour ago, micheldebruyn said:

The trigger for Lucas flipping out on the Mandalorians Deathwatch and the Fetts was the amount of fan hero worship for a faction he intended to be clear and unambiguous villainous villains, and the way Karen Travis wrote them as basically morally, ethically, and physically perfect Space Marines.

Your reason doesn't make sense. All the Mandalorians, both Fett and Lucas-versions, wear variants of the same armour and look uniform as a whole.

Pretty much. In fact, apparently, Karen Travis cut ties with Lucasfilm because of what GL did with the Mandalorians in the Clone Wars. And yet, Filoni has continued where Ms Travis left off, regarding Mandalorian culture. However, Ms Travis didn't so much write Mandalorians as "perfect space marines", so much as based them on historical nomadic warrior cultures such as the Vikings, Mongols, and Spartans; primarily the Vikings.