9 minutes ago, Metalghost said:

Cant even get myself to watch it on netflix for free. The movie is just a slog just to be kind to it.

Am I correct that you'd already watched it once before it came to Netflix?

1 minute ago, HappyDaze said:

Am I correct that you'd already watched it once before it came to Netflix?

Yes saw it when it came out.

1 minute ago, Metalghost said:

Yes saw it when it came out.

So we each tasted it once and regret it. You tasted it when it was hot from the source, I got to it when it had floated downstream for a bit. Neither was a pleasant experience and you have my sympathy.

2 hours ago, HappyDaze said:

So we each tasted it once and regret it. You tasted it when it was hot from the source, I got to it when it had floated downstream for a bit. Neither was a pleasant experience and you have my sympathy.

lol that experiance though kept me from watching solo when it came out.

22 minutes ago, Metalghost said:

lol that experiance though kept me from watching solo when it came out.

Me too, at least for several weeks. I did see Solo before it left the theater, and I thought it was alright, neither an ESB nor a TLJ.

11 hours ago, penpenpen said:

They'd first have to establish what "balance to the force" is. We can guess, but if anyone has learned anything from TLJ it should be that getting too attached to what your idea of what stuff in Star Wars is might end up make you very disappointed when it turns out to be something else.

That right there is the core problem.

The closest we've had to Word of God on what "balance of the Force" means was a track on the RotJ director commentary where Lucas says that balance is the lack of the dark side in the form of the Sith, who he likened to a malignant cancer. Something very easily overlooked since most folks don't bother watching films with the directors yammering on about why they did this or that for a particular scene or musing on the film at large.

Unfortunately, in the intervening decades between the prequels (where the notion of "balance in the Force" was introduced) and now, a number of folks have come up with their own theories on "balance," many centering on the notion that "balance" was having an equal number of Jedi and Sith, or that "balance" was having no Jedi or Sith at all. Add on to that the many years that folks (including WEG who created much of the lore that became the foundation of the EU) assuming that if there was a dark side to the Force, then there had to be an equal and opposite "light side" when that may have not been the intended case.

4 minutes ago, Donovan Morningfire said:

That right there is the core problem.

I don't really see why it's a problem. If it's going to matter, we'll probably find out.

5 minutes ago, Donovan Morningfire said:

The closest we've had to Word of God on what "balance of the Force" means was a track on the RotJ director commentary where Lucas says that balance is the lack of the dark side in the form of the Sith, who he likened to a malignant cancer. Something very easily overlooked since most folks don't bother watching films with the directors yammering on about why they did this or that for a particular scene or musing on the film at large. 

Yup, as the franchise is no longer Lucas' baby there is no singular creator or "God" to lay down the facts outside the media. The only absolute canon is what the media establishes now.

8 minutes ago, Donovan Morningfire said:

Unfortunately, in the intervening decades between the prequels (where the notion of "balance in the Force" was introduced) and now, a number of folks have come up with their own theories on "balance," many centering on the notion that "balance" was having an equal number of Jedi and Sith, or that "balance" was having no Jedi or Sith at all. Add on to that the many years that folks (including WEG who created much of the lore that became the foundation of the EU) assuming that if there was a dark side to the Force, then there had to be an equal and opposite "light side" when that may have not been the intended case.

Indeed.

My solution is not to worry too much about it, and definitely not try "figure out" the movie before I see it. I'm quite certain Lucasfilm has something planned and perhaps ROS will give us all the answers about the Force we ever wished for. Or, the story goes somewhere else and the exact definition of "balance" will, like Snoke's backstory, probably not matter.

Actually, the true nature of the Force is probably best left unrevealed and undefined when I think about it. It's like a Jawa, whatever's under the hood, it's going to be disappointing compared to the possibility of it being even more awesome. Focus on the reveals that matter.

And now I'm going to stop thinking about it.

15 hours ago, HappyDaze said:

Me too, at least for several weeks. I did see Solo before it left the theater, and I thought it was alright, neither an ESB nor a TLJ.

I wish Solo was as good as ESB and TLJ...we might have gotten a sequel and some closure on Crimson Dawn stuff

53 minutes ago, jivjov said:

I wish Solo was as good as ESB and TLJ...we might have gotten a sequel and some closure on Crimson Dawn stuff

Crimson Dawn stuff is more likely something that could get closure in a novel, especially if it is done post-Maul as a crime drama rather than an action piece. Star Wars film are at their best with action, not drama (and not comedy either regardless of how much they may try).

24 minutes ago, HappyDaze said:

Crimson Dawn stuff is more likely something that could get closure in a novel, especially if it is done post-Maul as a crime drama rather than an action piece. Star Wars film are at their best with action, not drama (and not comedy either regardless of how much they may try).

I think there's room for drama, action, and comedy in Star Wars (heck, the original film had all three!)...but yeah...I'll take any kind of Crimson Dawn closure I can get.

It will be Post-Maul obviously but we could seen some Crimson Dawn stuff show up in The Mandalorian.

We could even see Maul show up in the other live action show with Casian Andor as that will be set not far after the time of Solo movie.