17 minutes ago, Takeshi84 said:So I have an idea about the title. It probably isn't anywhere on target, but a thought.
Would Rise of Skywalker be them referencing the title Ozyly-esehembo the Cheunh word for Force Sensitives which translated in to basic as Skywalker? I can see them running with the idea there are no more "Jedi", but the Legacy left behind is what found the "Skywalker Order" by Rey.
Wouldn't that be Rise of SkywalkerS?
30 minutes ago, Stan Fresh said:Wouldn't that be Rise of SkywalkerS?
Or Rise of the Skywalker(s).
So bit of a cross-post from the thread in the F&D forum about the trailer...
With the title, I wonder if it'll be a case of Rey choosing to take the Skywalker surname and with it the legacy and mantle of responsibility that comes with the name?
This way, she keeps her backstory of essentially being a nobody from nowhere, but in a way embraces the idea that anybody can choose to become a hero. Or to quote Into The Spider-Verse, "anybody can wear the mask" while also accepting upon herself the burden of building a new Jedi Order and thus fulfilling the aspirations that Luke had of doing just that, but not being burdened by the mistakes of the past or the hubris of the old Jedi.
9 minutes ago, Donovan Morningfire said:With the title, I wonder if it'll be a case of Rey choosing to take the Skywalker surname and with it the legacy and mantle of responsibility that comes with the name?
Most plausible theory I've heard yet. So plausible it almost feels like a spoiler! If I had to bet on what the title is referring to, I would bet on this.
Related to that, I'm fairly certain that "Skywalker" is going to be adopted as a title or honorific, and that we aren't going to be seeing any characters revealed to be a secret blood relative of the Skywalker family or anything.
47 minutes ago, jivjov said:Related to that, I'm fairly certain that "Skywalker" is going to be adopted as a title or honorific, and that we aren't going to be seeing any characters revealed to be a secret blood relative of the Skywalker family or anything.
Yup, it's quite clear that RotS and RotJ indicate two sides of the force, as this series has been about balance, we will likely see a grey Jedi as a Skywalker.
2 hours ago, Khazadune said:... we will likely see a grey Jedi as a Skywalker.
I really, really, really hope they don't go the way of that "grey" Jedi nonsense, at least in how the term grey Jedi is usually bandied about, that being a Force user that can liberally draw upon the dark side but not suffer any of the consequences. Admittedly, a lot of that distaste for the concept comes from min-maxing munchkins that wanted to use all the awesome dark side powers but not have to pay the piper due to some flimsy dime-store quasi-philosophical BS they pulled out of their hind-end as a half-hearted attempt to justify/rationalize their munchkin antics.
Apart from having Word of George that the dark side is more akin to a cancerous life-threatening growth and that what most folks think of as "the light" is the Force's natural state of being, the only real failing of the old Jedi Order was their dogmatic views, when Qui-Gon's outlook (which got him labeled as a maverick and amusing a "grey Jedi" by more orthodox members of the Order) was the direction the Order should have been heading. Note that Qui-Gon is still very much a "light side Jedi" (and in this system, probably some degree of LS Paragon) albeit one that was more in tune with the Living Force as opposed to the Jedi Order's focus on the Unifying Force; the Order was too busy looking at the forest as a singular entity while Qui-Gon made time to take note of the trees and how they contributed to the forest.
Qui-Gon's approach is what the Jedi Order needed, and it was wisdom that came far too late for the Order, and wisdom that Luke in his eagerness to rebuild the Jedi Order also overlooked, falling into much the same trap.
31 minutes ago, Donovan Morningfire said:I really, really, really hope they don't go the way of that "grey" Jedi nonsense, at least in how the term grey Jedi is usually bandied about, that being a Force user that can liberally draw upon the dark side but not suffer any of the consequences. Admittedly, a lot of that distaste for the concept comes from min-maxing munchkins that wanted to use all the awesome dark side powers but not have to pay the piper due to some flimsy dime-store quasi-philosophical BS they pulled out of their hind-end as a half-hearted attempt to justify/rationalize their munchkin antics.
Apart from having Word of George that the dark side is more akin to a cancerous life-threatening growth and that what most folks think of as "the light" is the Force's natural state of being, the only real failing of the old Jedi Order was their dogmatic views, when Qui-Gon's outlook (which got him labeled as a maverick and amusing a "grey Jedi" by more orthodox members of the Order) was the direction the Order should have been heading. Note that Qui-Gon is still very much a "light side Jedi" (and in this system, probably some degree of LS Paragon) albeit one that was more in tune with the Living Force as opposed to the Jedi Order's focus on the Unifying Force; the Order was too busy looking at the forest as a singular entity while Qui-Gon made time to take note of the trees and how they contributed to the forest.
Qui-Gon's approach is what the Jedi Order needed, and it was wisdom that came far too late for the Order, and wisdom that Luke in his eagerness to rebuild the Jedi Order also overlooked, falling into much the same trap.
I think Qui Gon had the right of it and part of why the order failed is their focus on the unifying force and rigidity
More upsetting is we can't use the acronym RotS since we already got Revenge of the Sith. I'm upset about this.
Edit: Duh! it is RoS not RotS. Sorry about the momentary lapse in brain-thing.
Edited by kaosoe9 minutes ago, kaosoe said:More upsetting is we can't use the acronym RotS since we already got Revenge of the Sith. I'm upset about this.
Wouldn’t it be ROS?
Just now, AnomalousAuthor said:Wouldn’t it be ROS?
You know what. You are correct. My brain derped out on me for a minute.
Nothing to see here.
Move along.
Move along.
1 hour ago, Donovan Morningfire said:I really, really, really hope they don't go the way of that "grey" Jedi nonsense, at least in how the term grey Jedi is usually bandied about, that being a Force user that can liberally draw upon the dark side but not suffer any of the consequences. Admittedly, a lot of that distaste for the concept comes from min-maxing munchkins that wanted to use all the awesome dark side powers but not have to pay the piper due to some flimsy dime-store quasi-philosophical BS they pulled out of their hind-end as a half-hearted attempt to justify/rationalize their munchkin antics.
Apart from having Word of George that the dark side is more akin to a cancerous life-threatening growth and that what most folks think of as "the light" is the Force's natural state of being, the only real failing of the old Jedi Order was their dogmatic views, when Qui-Gon's outlook (which got him labeled as a maverick and amusing a "grey Jedi" by more orthodox members of the Order) was the direction the Order should have been heading. Note that Qui-Gon is still very much a "light side Jedi" (and in this system, probably some degree of LS Paragon) albeit one that was more in tune with the Living Force as opposed to the Jedi Order's focus on the Unifying Force; the Order was too busy looking at the forest as a singular entity while Qui-Gon made time to take note of the trees and how they contributed to the forest.
Qui-Gon's approach is what the Jedi Order needed, and it was wisdom that came far too late for the Order, and wisdom that Luke in his eagerness to rebuild the Jedi Order also overlooked, falling into much the same trap.
This seems relevant:
via https://twitter.com/Ferretliciously/status/1117486992944709633
1 hour ago, Donovan Morningfire said:I really, really, really hope they don't go the way of that "grey" Jedi nonsense, at least in how the term grey Jedi is usually bandied about, that being a Force user that can liberally draw upon the dark side but not suffer any of the consequences. Admittedly, a lot of that distaste for the concept comes from min-maxing munchkins that wanted to use all the awesome dark side powers but not have to pay the piper due to some flimsy dime-store quasi-philosophical BS they pulled out of their hind-end as a half-hearted attempt to justify/rationalize their munchkin antics.
Apart from having Word of George that the dark side is more akin to a cancerous life-threatening growth and that what most folks think of as "the light" is the Force's natural state of being, the only real failing of the old Jedi Order was their dogmatic views, when Qui-Gon's outlook (which got him labeled as a maverick and amusing a "grey Jedi" by more orthodox members of the Order) was the direction the Order should have been heading. Note that Qui-Gon is still very much a "light side Jedi" (and in this system, probably some degree of LS Paragon) albeit one that was more in tune with the Living Force as opposed to the Jedi Order's focus on the Unifying Force; the Order was too busy looking at the forest as a singular entity while Qui-Gon made time to take note of the trees and how they contributed to the forest.
Qui-Gon's approach is what the Jedi Order needed, and it was wisdom that came far too late for the Order, and wisdom that Luke in his eagerness to rebuild the Jedi Order also overlooked, falling into much the same trap.
I made a tweet about this today. Qui-Gon was a grey member of the Jedi ORDER , but wasn't "grey" in terms of "being a good Jedi"
2 hours ago, Donovan Morningfire said:I really, really, really hope they don't go the way of that "grey" Jedi nonsense, at least in how the term grey Jedi is usually bandied about, that being a Force user that can liberally draw upon the dark side but not suffer any of the consequences. Admittedly, a lot of that distaste for the concept comes from min-maxing munchkins that wanted to use all the awesome dark side powers but not have to pay the piper due to some flimsy dime-store quasi-philosophical BS they pulled out of their hind-end as a half-hearted attempt to justify/rationalize their munchkin antics.
Apart from having Word of George that the dark side is more akin to a cancerous life-threatening growth and that what most folks think of as "the light" is the Force's natural state of being, the only real failing of the old Jedi Order was their dogmatic views, when Qui-Gon's outlook (which got him labeled as a maverick and amusing a "grey Jedi" by more orthodox members of the Order) was the direction the Order should have been heading. Note that Qui-Gon is still very much a "light side Jedi" (and in this system, probably some degree of LS Paragon) albeit one that was more in tune with the Living Force as opposed to the Jedi Order's focus on the Unifying Force; the Order was too busy looking at the forest as a singular entity while Qui-Gon made time to take note of the trees and how they contributed to the forest.
Qui-Gon's approach is what the Jedi Order needed, and it was wisdom that came far too late for the Order, and wisdom that Luke in his eagerness to rebuild the Jedi Order also overlooked, falling into much the same trap.
I don't disagree, my reference to grey is how it is often used to mean someone who doesn't agree with sith or Jedi philosophies... this saga called for the end of the Jedi. The story is very much about a rise of something new, something that doesn't divide people. I think the living force will be that thing, but as much as we might want it to be all sunshine and rainbows, elements of the sith are part of that balance. A realization of passion as having a place in what it means to be a force user. (Not necessarily evil)
Idk the exact definition of a Gray Jedi, but Luke was certainly an atypical jedi, from training to actions.
He disobeyed and disregarded Yoda and Obi-wan at least twice: He followed his heart, in contradiction to the Jedi teachings. Rey has similar traits in ep VIII, so I kind of like this idea of inheriting the mantle of Skywalker.
Of course, that type of story works better on Willow, a character who didn't have any power at the beginning but was brave nevertheless.
3 hours ago, Khazadune said:this saga called for the end of the Jedi.
No, a character in the films called for it, before arguably having a change of heart.
Yoda's point was that the order needed to change and be reborn, not die. Rey still has the old texts.
The one dead set on killing the past is the villain of the story.
4 hours ago, penpenpen said:No, a character in the films called for it, before arguably having a change of heart.
Yoda's point was that the order needed to change and be reborn, not die. Rey still has the old texts.
The one dead set on killing the past is the villain of the story.
Hey remember how Revenge of the Sith was about galactic society being reorganized to be more safe and secure?
5 hours ago, Stan Fresh said:Hey remember how Revenge of the Sith was about galactic society being reorganized to be more safe and secure?
Oh yes, and how the republic was corrupt and needed to be taken down.
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I'd put a smiley face here to denote my sarcasm, but the lack of cinematic literacy is too depressing. Star Wars are not subtle films, people!
57 minutes ago, penpenpen said:Oh yes, and how the republic was corrupt and needed to be taken down.
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I'd put a smiley face here to denote my sarcasm, but the lack of cinematic literacy is too depressing. Star Wars are not subtle films, people!
The greatest lesson I ever get from Star Wars is to always let the hate flow through me... Palpatine is so wise!
On 4/13/2019 at 10:32 AM, Stan Fresh said:Dude, Luke was never going to pick up those power converters.
I guess he could have picked them up right before the start of Episode 6 when they went back to Tatooine in order to free Han...
That would also explain his new Force Powers in RotJ, he got the XP from finally finishing the Power Converter Quest which he started at the beginning of the campaign.... 🤔
On 4/13/2019 at 3:32 AM, Stan Fresh said:Dude, Luke was never going to pick up those power converters.
34 minutes ago, GM Fred said:I guess he could have picked them up right before the start of Episode 6 when they went back to Tatooine in order to free Han...
That would also explain his new Force Powers in RotJ, he got the XP from finally finishing the Power Converter Quest which he started at the beginning of the campaign.... 🤔
8 hours ago, penpenpen said:Oh yes, and how the republic was corrupt and needed to be taken down.
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I'd put a smiley face here to denote my sarcasm, but the lack of cinematic literacy is too depressing. Star Wars are not subtle films, people!
It baffles me that people argue with me when I point out "The Jedi Order was flawed and basically caused its own destruction" as being a thesis statement of the entire Prequel Trilogy
19 hours ago, penpenpen said:No, a character in the films called for it, before arguably having a change of heart.
Yoda's point was that the order needed to change and be reborn, not die. Rey still has the old texts.
The one dead set on killing the past is the villain of the story.
Well time will tell whether the saga focused around bringing balance to the force will try to end the story by bringing some semblance of balance to the force....
1 hour ago, Khazadune said:Well time will tell whether the saga focused around bringing balance to the force will try to end the story by bringing some semblance of balance to the force....
They'd first have to establish what "balance to the force" is. We can guess, but if anyone has learned anything from TLJ it should be that getting too attached to what your idea of what stuff in Star Wars is might end up make you very disappointed when it turns out to be something else.
On 4/13/2019 at 1:29 AM, HappyDaze said:I'm sad that I remember it at all. I blame Netflix for making the available to me for such a low opportunity cost. Hopefully this one won't make it to Netflix and I'll have another layer of protection in my times of boredom.
Cant even get myself to watch it on netflix for free. The movie is just a slog just to be kind to it.