8 hours ago, HappyDaze said:

I'm sad that I remember it at all. I blame Netflix for making the available to me for such a low opportunity cost. Hopefully this one won't make it to Netflix and I'll have another layer of protection in my times of boredom.

Sorry you...willingly rewatch a movie you didn’t like on a service you chose to subscribe to that has literally thousands of other options for you to watch?

I guess?

Soo.... did anyone else notice that Rey seems to have picked up Vader's saber? Or one very similar?

EDIT: Err... nevermind. While technically correct, it's still the old Anakin/Lukesaber.

1 hour ago, penpenpen said:

Soo.... did anyone else notice that Rey seems to have picked up Vader's saber? Or one very similar?

EDIT: Err... nevermind. While technically correct, it's still the old Anakin/Lukesaber.

I've not obsessively reviewed the trailer (frankly have much better uses of my time), but I wouldn't be surprised if it's a modification of the classic Skywalker lightsaber, owing to the damage it suffered in TLJ. And the tweaked design might well borrow some elements of Vader's lightsaber for all we really know. At least until somebody's willing to devote way more of their lives than is probably healthy to obsessively viewing the footage to determine details about Rey's lightsaber.

2 minutes ago, Donovan Morningfire said:

I've not obsessively reviewed the trailer (frankly have much better uses of my time), but I wouldn't be surprised if it's a modification of the classic Skywalker lightsaber, owing to the damage it suffered in TLJ. And the tweaked design might well borrow some elements of Vader's lightsaber for all we really know. At least until somebody's willing to devote way more of their lives than is probably healthy to obsessively viewing the footage to determine details about Rey's lightsaber.

Well, I certainly should have looked at it twice before posting.

5 hours ago, Nytwyng said:

Sorry you...willingly rewatch a movie you didn’t like on a service you chose to subscribe to that has literally thousands of other options for you to watch?

I guess?

Rewatch? No. I only saw TLJ once, and that was on Netflix. And while there are thousands of other options, much of that is crap too.

16 minutes ago, HappyDaze said:

Rewatch? No. I only saw TLJ once, and that was on Netflix. And while there are thousands of other options, much of that is crap too.

In that case, I guess I’m sorry you pay a monthly fee to have access to content you don’t want?

Maybe?

1 minute ago, Nytwyng said:

In that case, I guess I’m sorry you pay a monthly fee to have access to content you don’t want?

Maybe?

Don't feel sorry for me. I don't pay for Netflix. I watch it on my stepson's account. He pays for it, and he watches far more of the crap than I ever will.

30 minutes ago, HappyDaze said:

Don't feel sorry for me. I don't pay for Netflix. I watch it on my stepson's account. He pays for it, and he watches far more of the crap than I ever will.

Then I suppose congratulations are in order for your free access to content you disdain?

Just now, Nytwyng said:

Then I suppose congratulations are in order for your free access to content you disdain?

Well, I can't imagine paying anything to read your posts . 😎

Disney's already batting 1.000 since they took over the saga, this trailer looks like more of the same! I'm a bit trepidatious about Sheev being back...but after TLJ I'm willing to trust them to handle something super risky in a way that pays off big.

8 minutes ago, HappyDaze said:

Well, I can't imagine paying anything to read your posts . 😎

I’ve put in a request for someone to wake me so I can lose sleep over that. 😜

24 minutes ago, HappyDaze said:

Well, I can't imagine paying anything to read your posts . 😎

Man, that was such a lightsaber drop. Lmfao.

My hope is that the title portends a redemption for Ben, who will be the last living Skywalker after Leia is gone.

I think the thing I'm looking most forward to is the constant reminder of how so-and-so hated such-and-such, and then getting nasty about it at every opportunity.

12 minutes ago, DaverWattra said:

My hope is that the title portends a redemption for Ben, who will be the last living Skywalker after Leia is gone.

Eh, I hope not. Dude's a murderously violent psycho stalker incel type. The movie better not tell people watching it that what he did in the last couple movies was some beautiful cry for help that the women in his life that he killed and hurt should respond to. That would be messed up in all kind of ways.

9 minutes ago, Stan Fresh said:

Eh, I hope not. Dude's a murderously violent psycho stalker incel type. The movie better not tell people watching it that what he did in the last couple movies was some beautiful cry for help that the women in his life that he killed and hurt should respond to. That would be messed up in all kind of ways.

Yeah...any kind of "Bendemption" would really have to navigate carefully around that. It's gonna play a lot differently in 2019 than Anakin's redemption did in 1983.

1 hour ago, themensch said:

I think the thing I'm looking most forward to is the constant reminder of how so-and-so hated such-and-such, and then getting nasty about it at every opportunity.

I see more people complain about the complainers here.

4 hours ago, jivjov said:

Anakin's redemption did in 1983.

Yea; it's good know that you can slaughter countless people, torture your daughter, and blow up an entire planet; then get completely force-forgiven just by murdering your boss whom you were already planning on killing anyway.

On 4/12/2019 at 4:34 PM, DurosSpacer said:

It seems to be the thing these days to put things in the trailer you might not see in the film. Or, it gets edited out. I think the Emperor's laugh is just something Star Warsy to put in there and not something actually in the movie as a character. But maybe they will pull the whole "clone" thing? Snoke just a deformed clone version of him? or some kind of The -Emperor-Didn't-Die retcon.

Palpatine has been confirmed. https://screenrant.com/star-wars-9-rise-skywalker-jj-abrams-palpatine-return/

6 hours ago, Stan Fresh said:

Eh, I hope not. Dude's a murderously violent psycho stalker incel type. The movie better not tell people watching it that what he did in the last couple movies was some beautiful cry for help that the women in his life that he killed and hurt should respond to. That would be messed up in all kind of ways.

I completely agree with you.

1 hour ago, Rozial said:

Palpatine has been confirmed. https://screenrant.com/star-wars-9-rise-skywalker-jj-abrams-palpatine-return/

Yep, Ian McDiarmid was at the IX panel at Celebration.

12 hours ago, Arbitrator said:

I see more people complain about the complainers here.

🙄

Imagine, if you will, that we all visit a site for grilled cheese enthusiasts. Overall, most people like grilled cheese, and that's what we talk about. Some people like some grilled cheese less than others, but there's a small cadre of people that weigh in, at every opportunity, about how they hate one certain type of grilled cheese. They do it to the point that the larger community, who far outnumber them, think to themselves, "okay, OKAY, we <expletive deleted>ing get it! For the love of <deity deleted>, we get it!" and start to voice that en masse.

1 hour ago, Rozial said:

Palpatine has been confirmed. https://screenrant.com/star-wars-9-rise-skywalker-jj-abrams-palpatine-return/

That's just pathetic. What was the point of E6 then? Does nobody have any ******* original ideas?

I know George is happy to have gotten his 4 billion, but...does anyone have a spare quantum universe navigator? I want to go to the universe where George released all of Star Wars into the public domain as a big eff ewe to Hollywood.

34 minutes ago, whafrog said:

That's just pathetic. What was the point of E6 then? Does nobody have any ******* original ideas?

Mayhaps if Rian Johnson hadn’t killed JJ’s big bad halfway through movie #2...

8 hours ago, whafrog said:

That's just pathetic. What was the point of E6 then? Does nobody have any ******* original ideas?

You don't hire J.J. Abrams for original ideas. The guys singularly greatest talent is capturing the sense of hyperbolic nostalgia and the vague idea of a big plan behind the scenes. I'm not calling him a bad director, as he is very good at this aspect of filmmaking, which honestly is something George Lucas leaned pretty heavily on for both the OT and PT. Once you start watching the old movies Lucas lifted from (Battle of Britain, 633 Sqaudron, Dam Busters, Hidden Fortress, etc) you start realizing how J.J-esque it is. The difference of course, is that J.J. is the same generation as many of the Star Wars fans, and is lifting his inspiration from the franchise itself in many places, and from a lot of sources and tropes late gen X-ers and millennials are more familiar with in others. You can argue whether this makes him a good or bad director, that's going to be subjective either way. I'd say he's definitely a competent director, and makes the choices he does to make his movies a pretty easy watch for audience. TFA has it's detractors, but most people, even those who find it derivative seem to at least think it's ok.

TFA is however a bit more innovative than it's given credit for though. In many ways it is vastly different film than ANH, but camouflages it under some very similar set pieces and story beats. My guess would be that it's a calculated maneuver to make the returning fans feel comfortable and not think to much what has changed under the hood, and placate the expectations at face value.

Now, Rian Johnson on the other hand probably didn't feel the need to coddle his audience in that way, and in my opinion TLJ is the stronger film for it. Like TESB, it yanks the carpet out from under us and defies our expectations. Hence why some people don't like it. Some . Not all. Not even the majority.

Looking back to ROTJ, Lucas was really going for a traditional sequel here to wrap things up. Conventional wisdom about sequels is to make a movie much like the last one. Throw out the stuff that didn't work, double down on the stuff that did, and Lucas original plan was indeed to have two Death Stars this time around. ROTJ is in many ways the weakest entry the original trilogy. To me, the stuff that saves it the stuff that builds from TESB. The rest is mostly padding made up of retreads from ANH. It's still not bad, but compared to the pretty shocking twists of TESB, ROTJ is comparatively comfortable and safe to slip back into.

And now I've completely sidetracked myself from the point I was going to make in reply to you @whafrog .... sorry, I guess?

Anyways, I get the idea that Lucasfilm is savvy enough to know what they're doing, and have put at least as much thought into this as I have. Palpatine making a return doesn't fill me with confidence, but tipping their hand this early on probably means that there's more to it. Heck, Starkiller base was a better kept secret than this. I think Lucasfilm is going to play this safe with this one and stick fairly close to the formula. Win back the fans that were upset by TLJ and make sure there is some payoff for the fans who loved in, but otherwise, don't take any huge risks. On the surface, it's probably going to be quite familiar with quite a bit of fans service, and J.J. is definitely the man for this job.

However, when he's at his best, he can be quite adept moving stuff around under the surface, and with this being definitely the ending with no direct sequels coming he might even be forced to make sure there's something in his mystery box to show us when all this is done. Maybe he's not the right man to make a great standalone Star Wars movie, but might be the guy to make a film that finishes the saga.

In short, I am cautiously optimistic, and someone who isn't too full of original ideas might be the right man for the job to tie together a 9-movie saga.

16 hours ago, Stan Fresh said:

Eh, I hope not. Dude's a murderously violent psycho stalker incel type. The movie better not tell people watching it that what he did in the last couple movies was some beautiful cry for help that the women in his life that he killed and hurt should respond to. That would be messed up in all kind of ways.

I concur wholeheartedly, and flipping this expectation is the kind of stuff Abrams has done before, such as the switcheroo at the end in Star Trek: Into Darkness. Only, with the groundwork laid by Rian Johnson, such a flip would make a lot more sense than it did in Star Trek.

I don't like to speculate too much about upcoming movies, but I'd love if Kylo does end up realizing the error of his ways towards the end of the movie, flip sides, survives and is then rebuffed along the lines of "do you think this one act makes up for all the things you've done?" and ends up alive, imprisoned with the realization of what a terrible person he's been (and not sequel-baitingly stewing in anger) and perhaps someone who drops by who to tells him that maybe, eventually, possibly there might be some kind of redemption down the line for him, but that's nothing that's owed to him.

It is of course a lot simpler for the good guy to just kill the bad guy and not to touch upon such nuance.

10 hours ago, AnomalousAuthor said:

Mayhaps if Rian Johnson hadn’t killed JJ’s big bad halfway through movie #2...

Maybe if JJ hadn't created a new big bad with no reason to exist...maybe maybe maybe. Whatever. We already have a "big bad", it's Kylo, and at least according to E8 he has a reason. Why does there need to be another layer? There's only one reason: so they can keep recycling one of the top 5 villains in movie history and don't have to do the hard work of coming up with something new. Because you know at the end of E9 there is no certainty that the situation is "resolved". Is Palpatine dead for realZies? Or did he jump into another clone body half way across the galaxy and stay alive fuelled by his "hate" so they can make E10-12? Apparently that's a possibility according to *canon* comics lately. But that's a story that gets old even if you're 8.

You know what would be a braver story about Palpatine? Explore just WTF he is so upset about. Not hugged enough as a child? Brother killed his dog? Formula fed? Lead poisoned? Or just a serial killer with broken genetics? Then resolve that, have an epilogue where the Jedi realize how they failed and became out of touch and resolve to do better, and call the Saga done. Then go play in the centuries of conflict during the time of KoToR...