Thankful for the mandalorian being on tv because otherwise I wouldn’t be able to contain my excitement for this upcoming flick.
Episode IX The Rise of Skywalker on Disney+ May 4th
Trying to get excited for this movie. I keep telling myself that it couldn't be worse than The Last Jedi, so there's the silver lining 🤣
22 minutes ago, edwardthrawn1 said:Trying to get excited for this movie. I keep telling myself that it couldn't be worse than The Last Jedi, so there's the silver lining 🤣
Whenever i watch a new movie i tell myself it cant be worse than sharknado.
1 hour ago, DrakonLord said:Whenever i watch a new movie i tell myself it cant be worse than sharknado.
Sharknado is supposed to be a bad b movie.
For what it’s worth, as someone who loves The Last Jedi, I do hope The Rise of Skywalker is a better movie.
I’m confident IX will be better than VIII. IX will have the emperor, that character is so great and Ian mcdiarmind is a phenomenal actor. That alone will be enough for me to enjoy the film.
30 minutes ago, Belisarius09 said:that character is so great and Ian mcdiarmind is a phenomenal actor. That alone will be enough for me to enjoy the film.
Honestly though, this.
The Senate NEVER dies.
7 minutes ago, Imperial Advisor Arem Heshvaun said:
“There are some people who want to not like something—and they will, without question, find something to not like. And people who want to like it, will find the things to like. I feel like you get criticized for changing too much, you get criticized for not changing enough. And everyone’s opinion is valid.” -JJ
Somehow both depressing and inspiring.
40 minutes ago, Darth Sanguis said:And everyone’s opinion is valid.” -JJ
This makes the quote. All of us handwave over the things we like and nitpick the rest. And that's okay, because it encourages variety within the saga.
20 hours ago, daggertx said:Sharknado is supposed to be a bad b movie.
Exactly. If a movies worse than a purposefully bad B movie then its not worth watching.
5 hours ago, Darth Sanguis said:“There are some people who want to not like something—and they will, without question, find something to not like. And people who want to like it, will find the things to like. I feel like you get criticized for changing too much, you get criticized for not changing enough. And everyone’s opinion is valid.” -JJ
I think I'd be happy if literally any of the cast of these movies at any point, ya know just once for variety, changed...their clothes.
Am I alone in that? It's not weird to anyone else that Rey and Kylo and Hux and etc are wearing the same thing, 24/7, through all three movies??? I mean, the Jedi robes in the first six movies (beyond bit part characters) are the only real other instance I can think of where literally NO change happened, but...that was kind of the point. Religious order and all that. Everyone else was in totally different outfits from one movie to the next, and sometimes WITHIN the movie. These guys, though? Man, I dunno...I think they made some serious budget cuts in the wardrobe department...
1 hour ago, xanderf said:I think I'd be happy if literally any of the cast of these movies at any point, ya know just once for variety, changed...their clothes.
Am I alone in that? It's not weird to anyone else that Rey and Kylo and Hux and etc are wearing the same thing, 24/7, through all three movies??? I mean, the Jedi robes in the first six movies (beyond bit part characters) are the only real other instance I can think of where literally NO change happened, but...that was kind of the point. Religious order and all that. Everyone else was in totally different outfits from one movie to the next, and sometimes WITHIN the movie. These guys, though? Man, I dunno...I think they made some serious budget cuts in the wardrobe department...
2 hours ago, xanderf said:I think I'd be happy if literally any of the cast of these movies at any point, ya know just once for variety, changed...their clothes.
Am I alone in that? It's not weird to anyone else that Rey and Kylo and Hux and etc are wearing the same thing, 24/7, through all three movies??? I mean, the Jedi robes in the first six movies (beyond bit part characters) are the only real other instance I can think of where literally NO change happened, but...that was kind of the point. Religious order and all that. Everyone else was in totally different outfits from one movie to the next, and sometimes WITHIN the movie. These guys, though? Man, I dunno...I think they made some serious budget cuts in the wardrobe department...
What movies did you watch?
23 minutes ago, Contrapulator said:
Indeed.
The first and third outfit have no reason to look as much alike as they do - effectively they are the same, adjusting for normal variances in costume between movies, and the 2nd outfit hasn't been seen on-screen yet as near as I can tell.
They all change their clothes throughout the trilogy several times!
Luke has THREE costumes in The Last Jedi!
DJ even changes clothes!
They had an IRON on screen pressing uniforms! An iron in SW. what more do you want out of them?
Of all the ridiculous nitpicks I’ve heard that has got to be the most outlandish.
The way 7 and 8 went it didn't feel like they were ramping up into a "grand conclusion of the saga". I expected 9 to show us how the new generation breaks out of the cycle of empire-rebellion or somesuch... passing the torch on to new characters, not bring back defeated characters from the dead for another showdown. I wanted the sequel trilogy to be comfortable doing its own thing, but I feel like backlash from 8 eliminated any chance of finding a voice on its own. Now it's gotta lean on Leia and Palpatine to find an ending, when this wasn't their story to tell.
I'm skeptical.
6 hours ago, Norsehound said:The way 7 and 8 went it didn't feel like they were ramping up into a "grand conclusion of the saga". I expected 9 to show us how the new generation breaks out of the cycle of empire-rebellion or somesuch... passing the torch on to new characters, not bring back defeated characters from the dead for another showdown. I wanted the sequel trilogy to be comfortable doing its own thing, but I feel like backlash from 8 eliminated any chance of finding a voice on its own. Now it's gotta lean on Leia and Palpatine to find an ending, when this wasn't their story to tell.
I'm skeptical.
Had Episode 8’s premise been received well, I might have expected Episode 9 to be the new generation finding a better solution. Not sure what that entails.
Now it’ll be a similar conclusion to RotJ. A bunch of people who fought the last war not having learned a ****** thing and ending the current war the same way that’ll just lead to a new war in another 20-30 years.
Downside is JJ And his team aren’t good enough writers to not do this. Upside is JJ WILL polish this movie so that it looks awesome.
Edited by Church1411 hours ago, xanderf said:t's not weird to anyone else that Rey and Kylo and Hux and etc are wearing the same thing, 24/7, through all three movies??? I mean, the Jedi robes in the first six movies (beyond bit part characters) are the only real other instance I can think of where literally NO change happened
I think Han's clothes changed less than Rey's in the OT. 
2 hours ago, Church14 said:Had Episode 8’s premise been received well, I might have expected Episode 9 to be the new generation finding a better solution. Not sure what that entails.
Now it’ll be a similar conclusion to RotJ. A bunch of people who fought the last war not having learned a ****** thing and ending the current war the same way that’ll just lead to a new war in another 20-30 years.
Downside is JJ And his team aren’t good enough writers to not do this. Upside is JJ WILL polish this movie so that it looks awesome.
Based on your premise there would already be a World War 3.
Context matters as the circumstances going into Episode IX are entirely different to Episode VI.
The circumstances of VI
The Empire succeeded the Republic in order to stabilize, secure, and bring peace to the galaxy in the wake of the horrific Clone Wars. With most of the recognizable forms of Republic remaining after the transition such as the Senate, I doubt many viewed the new order as being all that different from the old. The Empire had the inherent legitimacy of the millennia old government that preceded with none of the baggage.
In canon (Jedi Fallen Order most recently) we know life on the core worlds barely changed and that the Emperor wisely kept the important systems and people happy. Between propaganda, agreement on policy, and the average socialized loyalty to government I would imagine a great many normal people liked the Empire. After all as we hear in Rogue One, atrocities committed by the Empire are covered up.
I like the rule of thirds in these situations. A third loyal, a third who just wants to live their life (therefore more prone to the status quo), and a third rebellious. A clunky but fair assement I think.
For the duration of Imperial rule there is peace, unless you’re resisting their policy. Along comes the Rebel Alliance bringing back war for the first time since the Clone Wars. They claim they will reestablish the Republic and after the dissolution of the Imperial Senate their ranks swell. However the Rebels are arguably proposing a new government entirely, because remember many people will likely still view the Empire as the Republic 2.0.
When the Emperor dies much of the Galaxy is caught in whiplash. It’s a civil war after all and the people on the losing side are now stuck under the rule of what might be viewed as an illigimate coup. We know these Imperial loyalists essentially form half the political landscape in the New Republic.
Circumstances of the Sequels and IX
Well Jakku happens so remnants of the Empire flee to the unknown regions and eventually evolve into the First Order. It’s important to note that the First Order could make the case that not only are they successors to the Empire, the “legitimate” galactic government, but to the prior Republic as well.
The New Republic. From the start they are deadlocked in partisan politics and fail to hold much influence beyond the core and inner rim. Crime blossoms as scum take advantage of the ineffectual, demilitarized government. Apparently even Imperial Warlords are allowed to maintain control over territories in the outer rim.
Enter the First Order, supported by the pro Imperial denizens of the galaxy, with a claim to the lineage of the galactic government. It wouldn’t be surprising if after thirty years of instability many in the middle would remember the peaceful rule of the last fascist regime and support their successors.
I have a feeling the ruthlessness of the First Order amplified through Kylo is going to be the wake up call to turn galactic favor against authoritarian governments for a good long while.
Going into IX the galaxy is in a far different state than it was going into VI.
Edited by Forresto12 minutes ago, Forresto said:Enter the First Order, supported by the pro Imperial denizens of the galaxy, with a claim to the lineage of the galactic government. It wouldn’t be surprising if after thirty years of instability many in the middle would remember the peaceful rule of the last fascist regime and support their successors.
I have a feeling the ruthlessness of the First Order amplified through Kylo is going to be the wake up call to turn galactic favor against authoritarian governments for a good long while.
An excellent write up!
I would note that prior to the battle of Jakku the Imperial Remnant left a bad taste in the pro Imperial systems through the usage of operation Cinder.