12 minutes ago, Zrob314 said:

You're basing "special forces" on how many their are, I'm going with the idea that it's training/skill.

That too. The shore troopers are pretty specialized compared to lots of things. But I only saw two practical alternatives since a training slot and detachment were presumably inevitable. Shore troopers, Sand troopers, and bounty hunters. Shore troopers woulda been my second pick if it had to be one of these.

12 minutes ago, Zrob314 said:

And you're the one who is coming in here to instantly announce "Thanks, I hate it. I want my Hoth officer." Also to be honest it sounds like your problem is that shoretroopes are even being made, not that you think they are misclassified.

Nope, it's the rank. I also pointed out pro's to the Shoretroopers release but no one notices. If I came on here to endlessly debate a surge value or keyword I think I'd get a different reaction. If I debate rank or release order (I didn't think anything so far should never be released, but that they were released to early) it's "You hate everything that's not OT". I love Rogue One , I think it's an objectively better piece of cinema than ROTJ. In this day and age of free media I went to see it three times in the theater. It is the only New Wars I bother to own a hardcopy of. It's pretty much tied with ESB in my book.

I don't post into threads about die probabilities with "Stop acting like a bunch of boring accountants". If I bring up the not-math-based pros and cons of something everyone acts like I insulted their loved ones by name.

12 minutes ago, Zrob314 said:

So maybe tkae youre lament for the lack of a middle ground elsewhere because you're the one who refuses to budge on any of his opinions ever.

Not changing my mind much isn't exclusive with wishing more people were able to admit that things have pros and cons, not just pros or cons. And at some point in these debates I usually caveat my views with something akin to "It's only a game" or "Starvation and man made extinctions are a regular occurrence so who cares what toys we get?" or "I still play Star Wars even though I'm younger than I will ever be again, there is no justice in the world, and to seek it in this life is a mistake, and no two people ever truly know each other".

2 minutes ago, KommanderKeldoth said:

I'm stoked for Shoretroopers, they look cool and despite their name they look like they could be at home in a wide variety of battlefields. I'm also curious to see if a man portable mortar support will impact the sniper meta.

That and if the high price to get more than one of them will impact total activation #'s. The deciding factor IMO is going to be if they're truly new (don't require LOS or something) or just a cool graphic for normal attacks, like the AT-ST mortar.

2 minutes ago, KommanderKeldoth said:

It sucks when only one player has them though, it feels kind of unfair on certain objectives like Breakthrough and Sabotage the Moisture Vaperators when you can just play defense and out range your opponent's guns.

I run up and delete them from the table with an AT-ST!

40 minutes ago, KommanderKeldoth said:

I'm stoked for Shoretroopers, they look cool and despite their name they look like they could be at home in a wide variety of battlefields. I'm also curious to see if a man portable mortar support will impact the sniper meta.

People won't feel like they have to apologize for repaints to justify assorted corps anymore: shoretroopers are SUPPOSED to be varied from the norm.

So here's the really crazy speculation. Will we get a squad of mon cals for them to oppress?

19 minutes ago, TauntaunScout said:

So here's the really crazy speculation. Will we get a squad of mon cals for them to oppress?

A squad of Mon Cal is unlikely, however having more Mon Cal miniatures will probably happened with the shift to sprues.

If they just have extra heads on the sprues, you could have a full Mon Cal army, bar Named Commanders.

Mon Cala forces are just as likely to appear for the Republic, interestingly enough, but a handful more rando alien heads in rebel units wouldn't be amiss.

8 minutes ago, TauntaunScout said:

People won't feel like they have to apologize for repaints to justify assorted corps anymore: shoretroopers are SUPPOSED to be varied from the norm.

So here's the really crazy speculation. Will we get a squad of mon cals for them to oppress?

I don't follow you... Who's apologizing for repaints? Why?

We'll need some fully aquatic troopers to oppress those pesky Mon Cals!

12 minutes ago, KommanderKeldoth said:

We'll need some fully aquatic troopers to oppress those pesky Mon Cals!

Comics got you covered here, bud.

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Seatrooper

I don't see us getting aquatic troops since, they generally wouldn't do much for most battlefields. I mean, on the positive side aside from the Resistance there are dedicated aquatic troops for each faction, I just don't see us getting them.

Rebel, likely:

Empire, the canon one is seen above, though there is also the legends version too.

Republic, we have the 2003 one and the Clone Wars one, which is canon.

CIS:

First Order:

4 minutes ago, Animewarsdude said:

I don't see us getting aquatic troops since, they generally wouldn't do much for most battlefields. I mean, on the positive side aside from the Resistance there are dedicated aquatic troops for each faction, I just don't see us getting them.

Rebel, likely:

Empire, the canon one is seen above, though there is also the legends version too.

Republic, we have the 2003 one and the Clone Wars one, which is canon.

CIS:

First Order:

In addition to the above, the Resistance just get Kaz.

1 hour ago, TauntaunScout said:

So here's the really crazy speculation. Will we get a squad of mon cals for them to oppress?

Are you saying these are the counter to Rebel sniper meta? 😄

1 hour ago, KommanderKeldoth said:

I don't follow you... Who's apologizing for repaints? Why?

I dunno but people do.

1 hour ago, KommanderKeldoth said:

We'll need some fully aquatic troopers to oppress those pesky Mon Cals!

I want a full-on Mon Cal vs Quarren civil war that the Empire can come in and crush and exploit both of them!

2 minutes ago, TauntaunScout said:

I dunno but people do.

I want a full-on Mon Cal vs Quarren civil war that the Empire can come in and crush and exploit both of them!

I would LOVE an armada style campaign box for Legion with a local system map for tracking wins and losses, they could include some 'local defense forces' or 'indigenous defenders' minis

4 minutes ago, KommanderKeldoth said:

I would LOVE an armada style campaign box for Legion with a local system map for tracking wins and losses, they could include some 'local defense forces' or 'indigenous defenders' minis

That'd be amazing. Me and my brother have talked about trying to implement that kind of system for legion, but we were basing it off of galactic conquest from the old battlefront games since we also play armada. I'm 100% down with that.

45 minutes ago, TauntaunScout said:

I dunno but people do.

I want a full-on Mon Cal vs Quarren civil war that the Empire can come in and crush and exploit both of them!

Well, this was the plot of an arc of the Clone Wars cartoon, except replace Empire with CIS, and the "Rebel Saviours" with a mixture of Republic Clones and Gungans.

10 hours ago, TauntaunScout said:

At least it wasn't sandtroopers who, while at least a sensible corps choice, would be even more visually bland, and worse, they'd make @DewbackScout happy. Dewback Scout, if you're reading this, go talk a long walk on a short dock.

Ah, @TautaunScout, my old nemesis. I smelled your foul stench as soon as I signed in.

How dare you disparage the majesty that is sand troopers! They can resist the most corrosive force in the galaxy, something not even Lord Vader himself can tolerate. Neither heat nor sun nor grit can keep them from their assigned rounds, keeping colonists and moisture farmers safe from vermin, terrorists, and native savages.

Shore troopers are a barely adequate substitute ... at least they train on sand.

Could have been even more confusing, could be Magma Troopers who look exactly like Sandtroopers only with shin guards and no ammo pouch they have a little respirator greeble instead.

10 minutes ago, UnitOmega said:

Could have been even more confusing, could be Magma Troopers who look exactly like Sandtroopers only with shin guards and no ammo pouch they have a little respirator greeble instead.

Magma, heh. All the heat, none of the grit. They can't take it.

16 minutes ago, UnitOmega said:

Could have been even more confusing, could be Magma Troopers who look exactly like Sandtroopers only with shin guards and no ammo pouch they have a little respirator greeble instead.

Or even better. Manglortroopers would be awesome.

26 minutes ago, UnitOmega said:

Could have been even more confusing, could be Magma Troopers who look exactly like Sandtroopers only with shin guards and no ammo pouch they have a little respirator greeble instead.

Honestly, DICE has done a great job with the Magma Troopers. At least I think it was them. They are completely consistent with existing stuff, using it in a logical way and adding to in an equally sound fashion. That's a stark contrast to range Troopers who should be based on Snow Troopers. Why the heck does the empire use two different kinds of cold weather suits?

Well, couple of things to unpack.

are they actually that different? They look like they have the same, or similar, chestplate only instead of just an insulated kama they are wearing like a full, thick fur coat (or at least a coat lined with fur) which could be do the fact that they operate at higher altitudes and speeds than normal cold weather troopers. Looks like they're wearing the same pants and knee pads, but instead of more generalized snow boots they have special gear for sticking to the train. Their helmet is visually similar to tank troopers, this could be because they're attached to basically an armored train unit, or the later snowtrooper breathing mask and goggles type helmet could be a refinement, since Solo takes place something like a decade before ESB - the Range troopers are also using their own variant of the E-10 rifle, the E-10R, where as the later Blizzard Force troopers have moved up to the E-11.

Plus, from that, where they are different, you could argue the needs of Alpine and Armored Train warfare are different from Arctic warfare.

The Magma trooper is a pretty subtle edit too, it just is obviously quite easy to confuse at a distance. Now, you can't sell x2 skins or action figures if you just made them "High temp assault troopers", but if they are quite so similar so that there are only very subtle differences there is something to be said for just merging the aesthetics. For legion for instance, if they did end up producing both as models (as opposed to say, maybe an improvement to customization if they moved to sprues) you're gonna have a hard time with their own "not confusing" visibility rule trying to note the only difference being no ammo pouch and shin guards - they even have the same color pauldrons. It could be worse though, I think the legends magma trooper is just a stormtrooper painted bright red.

1 hour ago, LennoxPoodle said:

Why the heck does the empire use two different kinds of cold weather suits?

Cold and wet requires different solutions than cold and dry.

Does anyone else thing that the the emplacement weapons for both shore troopers and the rebel veterans feels something like the strike teams?

21 hours ago, Jabby said:

Only the star wars fans deal in absolutes

Kid, I’ve consumed media from one side of this expanded universe to the other. I’ve read a lot of weird stuff, but I’ve never seen anything to make me believe that there’s one all-inclusive coherent canon controlling everything. It’s always been a lot of silly retcons and fanfic.

You know, I'm actually curious what the in-lore references are to all these specialist troopers. Do they actually *call* them shoretroopers in the films? Do they call them Sandtroopers? Scout troopers? What's the military designation for all these specialists? I know what the outside lore says, but you know how military folk make up shorthand and nicknames for everything... all these names just sound like nicknames tossed around by grunts around a card table.

*ahem*, a short story of the naming of a new canon trooper:

"Hey Ted"

"Yeah Bill?"

"The dude has like, a spike on his head."

"Dude"

"Totally dude, it is most heinous."

"We should like, totally let them know."

*In tandem with high five*

"Excellent!"

Hey, how's it going Spiky Trooper dudes!?"

Coastal Defender Stormtrooper.

According to most guides and other supplementals, most troopers have official, formal names, things we see are often informal nicknames, because man does having to shout "DEPLOY THE COASTAL DEFENDER STORMTROOPERS" get real old in a tactical situation.

Also it can really **** up your type size when printing the name on stuff.

5 hours ago, chr335 said:

Does anyone else thing that the the emplacement weapons for both shore troopers and the rebel veterans feels something like the strike teams?

Some of us think the Detachments might require the "parent" unit to be included in the list. I think it's possible they won't even count against the Corps unit requirement, or could even some special Detachment order marker, or even be a Support unit but have something like Entourage so it doesn't take a slot in the Force Org.