Regarding rebel hans pilot ability, when he HANS dice due to proximity to obstacle, does he have to HAN “all” dice or can he “pick and choose” which dice to HAN? The card reads as if he has to HAN ALL dice. Thanks

Do what the card says. “You may rerole all” means all

Using Han Solo's Pilot Ability [Rebel, Pilot], you must re-roll as many dice as eligible for a re-roll in the given situation.

E.g. Dice already re-rolled with use of lock cannot be re-rolled again and have to be left as-is. Defence dice re-rolled with Millennium Falcon title or enemy's Saturation Salvo cannot be re-rolled. None of the dice can be modified (including re-rolling) when under effect of Blinded Pilot critical damage.

errr no: the recent rules reference updated his ability!

but I didn’t get it by now... 🤯

PLZ can someone explain??

edit: especially WHEN does his ability occur during combat. I though since of now it’s a plain modification – so it happens during the normal modification step??

7 minutes ago, Tellonius said:

errr no: the recent rules reference updated his ability!

but I didn’t get it by now... 🤯

PLZ can someone explain??

edit: especially WHEN does his ability occur during combat. I though since of now it’s a plain modification – so it happens during the normal modification step??

Han's ability is treated as a dice modification, and so occurs during the appropriate modifying dice step when he is attacking/defending.

8 minutes ago, Tellonius said:

errr no: the recent rules reference updated his ability!

but I didn’t get it by now... 🤯

PLZ can someone explain??

edit: especially WHEN does his ability occur during combat. I though since of now it’s a plain modification – so it happens during the normal modification step??

Han is a dice modification so he takes place when you would normally be able to modify your dice, in addiction to when you would roll dice due to other effects (Obstacles, R2-D2, etc)

On 4/13/2019 at 9:52 AM, Maui. said:

Han's ability is treated as a dice modification, and so occurs during the appropriate modifying dice step when he is attacking/defending.

On 4/13/2019 at 9:53 AM, Innese said:

Han is a dice modification so he takes place when you would normally be able to modify your dice, in addiction to when you would roll dice due to other effects (Obstacles, R2-D2, etc)

@Tellonius Not quite. Here's his card for refresher text:

Although he is officially a modification thanks to RR(1.0.3), he does not modify at the normal time. Rather you are required to "Han" the dice "After you roll" and rolling is a separate and distinct step from modifying.

4 minutes ago, nitrobenz said:

Although he is officially a modification thanks to RR(1.0.3), he does not modify at the normal time. Rather you are required to "Han" the dice "After you roll" and rolling is a separate and distinct step from modifying.

I was wondering when someone would catch the timing printed on his card.

15 minutes ago, nitrobenz said:

Although he is officially a modification thanks to RR(1.0.3), he does not modify at the normal time. Rather you are required to "Han" the dice "After you roll" and rolling is a separate and distinct step from modifying.

On 4/13/2019 at 12:43 PM, Tellonius said:

edit: especially WHEN does his ability occur during combat. I though since of now it’s a plain modification – so it happens during the normal modification step??

A: Han Solo's ability is treated as a dice modification effect that is not a reroll. Because it is a dice modification effect, when attacking or defending, it triggers during the Modify Dice step.

This mainly matters because it happens after the opponent modifies your dice, eg for Juke.

12 minutes ago, svelok said:

A: Han Solo's ability is treated as a dice modification effect that is not a reroll. Because it is a dice modification effect, when attacking or defending, it triggers during the Modify Dice step.

This mainly matters because it happens after the opponent modifies your dice, eg for Juke.

🤨 Key timing indicator in Han's ability: "After you roll dice,"

Timing

There are several terms that are used to indicate the specific timing of an effect:

Before: The effect resolves immediately preceding the timing specified.

At the start of: This timing is used with a specific phase or step. The effect triggers before anything occurs during that phase or step.

While: This term is often used in combination with multi-stepped game effects such as an attack, an action, or a maneuver. Although less specific than the other timings, this term is used to narrow down when the ability is resolved during the round. Additional verbiage is required to identify when exactly the effect is applied.

For example, in the context of an attack, if the ability rolls additional attack dice, the ability triggers during the Roll Attack Dice step. If the ability modifies defense dice, the ability triggers during the Modify Defense Dice step.

At the end of: This timing is used with a specific phase or step of ship's activation. This effect triggers after the normal effects of that phase or step have occurred.

After: The effect resolves immediately following the timing specified.

The ability queue is used to resolve abilities that would resolve simultaneously.

Han does not wait for his dice to be modified by other effects... If his player chooses to, even though he's classified as a dice mod, Han's opportunity window has passed...

Just now, Hiemfire said:

🤨 Key timing indicator in Han's ability: "After you roll dice,"

Yeah but then FFG released a ruling explicitly saying it happens in the modify dice step. They're the boss.

1 minute ago, svelok said:

Yeah but then FFG released a ruling explicitly saying it happens in the modify dice step. They're the boss.

Just means his "re-roll" happens before the defender modifies the dice when he attacks and the before the attacker does when he defends. What you're stating completely ignores the timing on his ability otherwise...

Just now, Hiemfire said:

Just means his "re-roll" happens before the defender modifies the dice when he attacks and the before the attacker does when he defends. What you're stating completely ignores the timing on his ability otherwise...

Well, yeah, the ruling ignores the timing too. Like you said originally - once you're in the modify dice step, you're explicitly past "after rolling".

@svelok is 100% right on this one. it triggers during the modify dice step when attacking or defending. as per the latest rules update, the timing printed on his card only matters when the ability is used in cases other than attacking and defending.

I was going to ask where that was coming from, but I found it:

Guess my unfamiliarity with Han's card text kept me from catching that contradiction sooner. This makes two posts from the "official rulings" thread that directly contradict the Rules Reference and/or card text.

Ok, so now I have a new question regarding the combo of C-3PO crew and Han (Rebel, Pilot). In the "Official Rulings" thread we have the ruling that I linked previously which says that Han's ability is applied during the regular modify dice step because it's a modification instead of happening before regular modification as the card directs you to do. Then, in the same batch of posts there's this Q/A (the very next post in fact!):

Why is C-3PO's "add 1 [evade] result" not done at the same time as the Han reroll? (Which would make the order in the queue player choice)

Adding a result is specifically one of the things listed under Dice Modification on page 9 and according to the Han modification ruling all dice modification should happen during the appropriate Modify Dice step of the attack, therefore ignoring this bullet point in the Rules Reference (1.0.3) from page 10 (emphasis added): " • Dice modification occurs during the respective Modify Attack Dice or Modify Defense Dice step, unless otherwise stated . "

To clarify my position on this combination of Rulings: I think the Han modification ruling contradicts the Rules Reference and the card in question by telling you to modify the dice at the "regular" timing instead of the timing that is stated on the card, that being "After rolling dice".

Additionally: if we could count on using the timings that the cards direct us to use, the Han+C-3PO interaction would be the same as the ruling they gave because C-3PO is applied during the dice roll and Han triggers after the dice roll.

OK. So, the fluff is gone... 😑

Summary Han's 'reroll':

- Contradicts the given card text! ☹️ ☹️ Destroys the fluff and uniqueness of Han. 😢

- happens during the normal modification step. (attack/defence)

- but does not COUNT as a reroll; so it can be used after rerolling with a lock (or before).

- effects that prevent modification – although prevent Han! (Midnight...).

(- but if you forced from outside to reroll dice [like M9-G8 of yore] you still can reroll ALL dice again with Han, because it doesn’t count as a reroll).

- doesn’t work with C-3PO!

- of course works with every other 'rolling of dice' (asteroids, damage cards, R2-D2, ...)

🤨

Did I miss something??

Huge THX!

@Tellonius - he does work with c3po, just not the way that would be best for him. if you manage to guess the right number rolled, you still add the evade. that die can then be rerolled with han if you need it.

14 hours ago, nitrobenz said:

Why is C-3PO's "add 1 [evade] result" not done at the same time as the Han reroll? (Which would make the order in the queue player choice)

I think that's a good question. That was the timing of X-Wing 1e, but I haven't seen anything to indicate that is the timing in second edition. Given the recent decision that Han's modification takes place in the Modify dice step, it makes sense that C-3PO and Count Dooku's modifications would also take place in that step.

Jupp,

C-3PO adds his die during his (players) modification step. So no joking JUKE on this die!

PS: technically one COULD reroll C-3POs added die - but why would one... 🤔