11 hours ago, Ambaryerno said:

Except 20 years isn't all THAT big of a deal.

The last F-15C was built in 1985, and the type is still the backbone air-superiority fighter for the USAF, since there aren't enough F-22 Raptors to replace them. The B-52 is still one of the US's primary long-range strategic bombers, and the last one rolled off the assembly line in 1962, with the type anticipated to still be in service into the 2060s!

Depends which period of aviation history you compare to, you wouldn't want to be rocking in a Fokker Dr.I in 1940 or Bf-109 in 1960.

Clone Wars saw three generations of fighters (V-19 -> Z-95 -> V-wing) in just three years.

The Clone Z-95 was clearly different too.

2 hours ago, eMeM said:

Depends which period of aviation history you compare to, you wouldn't want to be rocking in a Fokker Dr.I in 1940 or Bf-109 in 1960.

Clone Wars saw three generations of fighters (V-19 -> Z-95 -> V-wing) in just three years.

Except technology in Star Wars almost doesn't evolve over time.

2 hours ago, Odanan said:

Except technology in Star Wars almost doesn't evolve over time.

It is very hard to read into the technology in Star Wars. The films themselves avoid stating hard numbers for almost anything relating to the technology, which makes a straight comparison impossible. The best we have are Visual Dictionaries or cut-away diagrams of ships, and even those have to be taken with a pinch of salt due to editorial choices/mistakes.

I'd say that the V-19 Torrent, Clone Z-95 and the V-Wing all fit in the same 'generation' of starfighter (along with the ARC-170 and Y-Wing). None of them use radically different technology or perform in a radically different way to the others. The true 'next-generation' of starfighters would most likely be marked by the TIE Fighter, which brought new technology (remarkably high performance & low maintenance engines) which rendered almost everything that came before them obsolete.

2 hours ago, Odanan said:

Except technology in Star Wars almost doesn't evolve over time.

Except when it does, like during the Clone Wars.

As for now all the Old Republic stagnation bull is non canon.

9 minutes ago, AceDogbert said:

It is very hard to read into the technology in Star Wars. The films themselves avoid stating hard numbers for almost anything relating to the technology, which makes a straight comparison impossible. The best we have are Visual Dictionaries or cut-away diagrams of ships, and even those have to be taken with a pinch of salt due to editorial choices/mistakes.

I'd say that the V-19 Torrent, Clone Z-95 and the V-Wing all fit in the same 'generation' of starfighter (along with the ARC-170 and Y-Wing). None of them use radically different technology or perform in a radically different way to the others. The true 'next-generation' of starfighters would most likely be marked by the TIE Fighter, which brought new technology (remarkably high performance & low maintenance engines) which rendered almost everything that came before them obsolete.

I mean it as Z-95 compeltely replaced V-19, and V-wing replaced Z-95, so they were just strictly better designs for the same role, and apparently the improvement was large enough to phase out the previous ship from frontline duty.

I think the V-wing can be made very superior (to the Torrent and the Z-95) in this game. That's what I would do:

3 attack (because of the 2 dual rapid-fire lasers)

2 or 3 aggility

3 or 2 hull

1 shield

Should have boost action, droid socket and maybe missiles.

To differentiate it even more, give it 180 forward attack (according to Legends, the lasers can swivel on the wing hubs.

LEGENDS: Exclusive missile card that replace it for a bomb or cannon slot. Flak cannon upgrade card included (deals 1 hull damage ignoring shield if hit).

As an IRL aviation mechanic... That is A LOT of panels to leave off. Also those are some seriously huge fairings to begin with if that overlay is even close to accurate. I prefer to believe that there were a ship load of engineering mods made to the ship. And the extra space was maybe for fuel tanks, cargo, and possibly weapons bays that were redundant or extra. Also they shrunk like 33% off the nacelle. That's sweet.

On 4/7/2019 at 4:58 PM, Woorloog said:

Never seen that pic before, highly useful.

I figured that the Rebels Y-wings are A4s before Rebel modifications though, if we go by in-universe explanation (and IRL they'd just be a shortcut by modifying the TCW Y-wing to look mostly like OT Y-wing, ie just meant to be "close enough"). Like, they'd have modified the cockpit/turret section, possibly lifting that from S3s (since those are shown to be outwardly more or less identical to ANH Y-wings in a comic), while stripping rest of the decayed engine panels.

Though on closer look that might not be enough, since the Rebels model also has rounded parts in the rear-middle and other subtle differences. Had the S3 not been shown in the Poe comic, the Rebels model could've been declared the S3. Perfect fit for the intermediate model! (Though i suppose comic art could always be handwaved away as artistic expression.)

You know, the Rebels model is kinda weird. Specifically the engines. They look like they used to be entirely covered in plating... but why keep an empty space between the actual nozzle and the end-nozzle-thing (maneuvering vanes?)?

Because these were at Reklam station. They were about to be decomissioned and scrapped for parts (Which implies use by The Empire, actually!), so the bits they had on were basically spare pieces that hadn't yet been removed. It was pretty evident these hadn't flown in some time.

Watching Rebels may help understand the "TCW Y-Wings are the same as Rebel Y-Wings" stance. Since, quite frankly, there's no record that any models past the TCW ones were actually made.

19 hours ago, Odanan said:

Except technology in Star Wars almost doesn't evolve over time.

INCORRECT.

Hard to find the video these days, but an episode of the Star Wars show detailed that Orson Krennic's blaster is an, "Old fashioned" Blaster, and it can only fire thrice before needing a reload. You know what that means? Blaster technology is fairly recent. Not only that, but TIE/FOs have shields and hyperdrives.

Yes, the standard line TIE Fighters do have Hyperdrives, as per an episode of Resistance. I found it extremely STRANGE that such was the case, but somewhere in that chassis is a hyperdrive. Could have just been those TIE/FOs, too. And no, I do not mistake FOs for SFs. The T-70 has enhanced engines, better shields, agility, and has a tertiary hardpoint that's modifiable.

Honestly technology is getting better and better as time goes on in the films. To say that it isn't is patently, demonstrably incorrect.

16 hours ago, eMeM said:

Except when it does, like during the Clone Wars.

As for now all the Old Republic stagnation bull is non canon.

And thank the mouse for that. That's my #1 sticking point allying with Disney's canon.

15 hours ago, Odanan said:

I think the V-wing can be made very superior (to the Torrent and the Z-95) in this game. That's what I would do:

3 attack (because of the 2 dual rapid-fire lasers)

2 or 3 aggility

3 or 2 hull

1 shield

Should have boost action, droid socket and maybe missiles.

To differentiate it even more, give it 180 forward attack (according to Legends, the lasers can swivel on the wing hubs.

LEGENDS: Exclusive missile card that replace it for a bomb or cannon slot. Flak cannon upgrade card included (deals 1 hull damage ignoring shield if hit).

No no no no no no no no CHRIST no.

This is based off of the V-Wing's representation in Battlefront II (2005), which is stupidly wrong. They made it a bomber, dude. So they gave it a space shotgun for some ungodly reason and to make matters worse, they made the ETA-2 a clone-usable fighter for christ's sake. Battlefront II has the single most egregious misrepresentations of anything in Star Wars. They even made the Belbullab-22 a bomber! They made it a BOMBER! Come ON Pandemic!

As for the swivels, yeah they have them but they're up-down swivels, nooot side to side. Furthermore they do not have any ordnance capacity, given they don't even have capacity for life support. Or hyperdrives. They are purely blaster based dogfighters with a very clear role. The V-19 while nowhere near as agile is arguably more versatile in role.

But I'd take a wing of Z-95s over either.

5 hours ago, Captain Lackwit said:

INCORRECT.

Hard to find the video these days, but an episode of the Star Wars show detailed that Orson Krennic's blaster is an, "Old fashioned" Blaster, and it can only fire thrice before needing a reload. You know what that means? Blaster technology is fairly recent. Not only that, but TIE/FOs have shields and hyperdrives.

Yes, the standard line TIE Fighters do have Hyperdrives, as per an episode of Resistance. I found it extremely STRANGE that such was the case, but somewhere in that chassis is a hyperdrive. Could have just been those TIE/FOs, too. And no, I do not mistake FOs for SFs. The T-70 has enhanced engines, better shields, agility, and has a tertiary hardpoint that's modifiable.

Honestly technology is getting better and better as time goes on in the films. To say that it isn't is patently, demonstrably incorrect.

And thank the mouse for that. That's my #1 sticking point allying with Disney's canon.

No no no no no no no no CHRIST no.

This is based off of the V-Wing's representation in Battlefront II (2005), which is stupidly wrong. They made it a bomber, dude. So they gave it a space shotgun for some ungodly reason and to make matters worse, they made the ETA-2 a clone-usable fighter for christ's sake. Battlefront II has the single most egregious misrepresentations of anything in Star Wars. They even made the Belbullab-22 a bomber! They made it a BOMBER! Come ON Pandemic!

As for the swivels, yeah they have them but they're up-down swivels, nooot side to side. Furthermore they do not have any ordnance capacity, given they don't even have capacity for life support. Or hyperdrives. They are purely blaster based dogfighters with a very clear role. The V-19 while nowhere near as agile is arguably more versatile in role.

But I'd take a wing of Z-95s over either.

Technology is not very consistent in Star Wars. The tech to equip shields and hyperdrive to TIEs do exist - the Empire just didn't find necessary to give them.

Are you saying the Old Republic with it's blasters, lightsabers and space ships is gone? If yes, that's excellent news.

And about the V-wing, Even better if it doesn't have missiles, cannon or bombs. I'm trying to find a niche for it, and it looks like it can be something like a TIE Interceptor.

34 minutes ago, Odanan said:

Technology is not very consistent in Star Wars. The tech to equip shields and hyperdrive to TIEs do exist - the Empire just didn't find necessary to give them.

Are you saying the Old Republic with it's blasters, lightsabers and space ships is gone? If yes, that's excellent news.

And about the V-wing, Even better if it doesn't have missiles, cannon or bombs. I'm trying to find a niche for it, and it looks like it can be something like a TIE Interceptor.

True but that it's on TIE/FOs says a lot about advancement.

The Old Republic's content is gone and never really truly did exist. The EU was never actually canon. But yeah, The Old Republic as we knew it is NOT a thing AT ALL.

And yes, the V-Wing is a fast, fighter to fighter interceptor. Honest to god, if you want an accurate representation of many starfighters in Star Wars, Battlefront II 2 is very accurate with its non-hero fighters. Everything works about the way it should, with the exception of TIE Fighters, FOs, and Interceptors having missiles. However, given their mounting points on TIE Defenders, it's feasible Interceptors could carry them and it's not infeasible that you could throw something on a TIE. But those are the only mis-steps. Everything else is pretty **** accurate.

I think we all can agree on the idea of the V-Wing being the Republic interceptor. I'd expect it to come in with a ship ability like the TIE Interceptor or the A-Wing to really allow it to zip about the battlefield, with the added bonus of an astromech slot to differentiate it from those fighters. Would also give FFG the opportunity to have some V-Wing specific astromechs, as a dedicated line of astromechs were built for them due to their small size (the Q7 series).

Not canon, but from very late in the old canon era. It makes a ton of sense and you can obviously see any differences. Larger Torpedo load, more armor. I would expect small base and a white reload personally.

12 hours ago, Stinger07 said:

Not canon, but from very late in the old canon era. It makes a ton of sense and you can obviously see any differences. Larger Torpedo load, more armor. I would expect small base and a white reload personally.

Ah, yes. This! It's very accurate. Lines up basically perfectly. This is one of those things that absolutely does support the very very likely notion that they're the exact same ship but with retrofits. I mean, if the Enterprise could do it, why not Y-Wings?

But, yeah. The canon status of this does not matter, because it lines up properly anyway.