Do you think that they will be functionally different, or just new models with the same stat lines?

There isn't really anything to indicate that the ships are all that different in their Republic service, but they do look very different. The Y-wing seems to have extra armor and the Z-95 has an extra set of tiny flanges near the nose.

Given the Republic already has the Torrent which is functionally similar to a Z but worse priced with a worse dial, I hope the Republic Z will be different.

I bet they’ll take a similar approach as with the 3 different YT-1300s. They’ll have a different ship name (BTL-B Y-wing, Clone Z-95) and slightly different stats/dials.

I'm going to say "Yes" for the Y-Wing. It'll be the Republic device carrier.

Could a ship have the same dial, same ship name, and same statline, but a new ship ability? Perhaps all damage cards are delt facedown, but make them a bit overpriced.

28 minutes ago, Seraphimtoaster375 said:

Do you think that they will be functionally different, or just new models with the same stat lines?

There isn't really anything to indicate that the ships are all that different in their Republic service, but they do look very different. The Y-wing seems to have extra armor and the Z-95 has an extra set of tiny flanges near the nose.

The flanges on the nose are usually referred to as "canards" and are useful for stability and steering in atmosphere. There's also a distinct backwards sweep to the wings which is used for high speed stability in atmosphere...and both of these are a little weird because a ship with deflector shields wouldn't have any need for either.

I'm unconvinced the extra plating is armor on the Y-Wing. There are a lot of panels on modern aircraft that are almost exclusively there for an aerodynamic profile and to prevent foreign object damage to internal components, but offer no protection against enemy fire. If you have a deflector shield, you wouldn't really care that much about aerodynamics or foreign object damage, so it could just be a precautionary measure that the Re els don't have the time and man-hours to maintain as opposed to any kind of meaningful protection.

It's also noteworthy that the Z's we see for Rebels and Scum, while older designs, have seen improvements over the Clone Wars versions, whereas the Y's in Rebels and Scum are mostly just degraded versions of the Clone Wars Y's.

I fully expect the Y-Wing to have a different stat line, possibly different dial.

The Z...I’m not really sure. It has a different engine assembly (two pods rather than the four of the current z-95 model), which might just be an artistic change, or might actually mean we’ll see some sort of difference in game play. I would like to see it fulfill a different role than the torrent.

12 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

Given the Republic already has the Torrent which is functionally similar to a Z but worse priced with a worse dial, I hope the Republic Z will be different.

I'm going to go against the common wisdom and say that the Torrent has a slightly _better_ dial than the Z-95. It's a tiny bit slower, but is has some maneuvers that the Z-95 simply doesn't.

But yes: they are functionally very similar. I've been beating my head against that one for a while.

4 minutes ago, MasterShake2 said:

The flanges on the nose are usually referred to as "canards" and are useful for stability and steering in atmosphere. There's also a distinct backwards sweep to the wings which is used for high speed stability in atmosphere...and both of these are a little weird because a ship with deflector shields wouldn't have any need for either.

I'm unconvinced the extra plating is armor on the Y-Wing. There are a lot of panels on modern aircraft that are almost exclusively there for an aerodynamic profile and to prevent foreign object damage to internal components, but offer no protection against enemy fire. If you have a deflector shield, you wouldn't really care that much about aerodynamics or foreign object damage, so it could just be a precautionary measure that the Re els don't have the time and man-hours to maintain as opposed to any kind of meaningful protection.

You are actually pretty close on the Y-Wing. IIRC, the Y-Wings needed so much maintenance (being 20+ year old ships), the Rebel mechanics and engineers eventually just stopped putting the panels back on after repairs in order to save time.

My hope is that the Z-95 stat line and dial are unchanged for all 3 factions. The V-19 is already in a similar niche- but it's a bit more maneuverable- though very difficult to wring all the performance out of it that you'd like to.

10 minutes ago, iwantbatteries said:

Could a ship have the same dial, same ship name, and  same statline, but a new ship ability? Perhaps all damage cards are delt facedown, but make them a bit overpriced. 

I think this is a good thought for the Y-Wing. I'd like to see it be _different_, with a different sculpt, but still fill a similar bomber niche.

The BTL-B Y-wing will probably have both front arc attack and turret built-in. IIRC, BTL-B doesn't actually sport ion cannons in the turret at all, though if it actually does, then it probably has turret slot rather than secondary primary built-in. I'm also inclined to believe it might have some differences in the dial or hull/shields, it does have all of its armor plating, that could indicate either slower or less agile ship, or more durable one.

The Clone Headhunter probably differs from the normal Headhunter somewhat. IIRC, it carries torpedoes rather than missiles, and given that it is something of a replacement for the V-19 Torrent in-universe and that it is much larger than the normal Z-95, i'd expect it to be somewhere between the T-65 and normal Headhunter in in its features. Call it "premium Headhunter", or "budget X-wing".

EDIT Upon checking Wookieepedia, old EU gave the BTL-B Ion Cannons but new canon does not specify what cannons the turret has. And the Clone Z-95 indeed sports torpedo launchers rather than missile launchers.

I'll also note the V-wing here, it probably will be like the Jedi Starfighter but with cheaper, generic pilots, something between RZ1 A-wing and TIE/LN Fighter.

Y wings should be medium base with higher hull, or as other users have said, a ship ability to flip down crits (maybe only ship crits?) Give them a white barrel roll maybe? Another cool Idea could be a bowtie arc turret.

34 minutes ago, Punning Pundit said:

I'm going to go against the common wisdom and say that the Torrent has a slightly _better_ dial than the Z-95. It's a tiny bit slower, but is has some maneuvers that the Z-95 simply doesn't.

But yes: they are functionally very similar. I've been beating my head against that one for a while.

It's way worse on basic moves better on specials.

7 minutes ago, Roller of blanks said:

Y wings should be medium base ,

Huh, that kind of makes sense. Basically all small base ships are under 20 meters in length (or width) (even the HWK-290, which is about 16 meters length and correctly scaled in X-wing TMG, since we'll ignore that idiotic and obviously flawed RPG length Wookieepedia so likes). The BTL-B Y-Wing is about 23 meters long, so it would be pretty good fit for medium base.

59 minutes ago, FatherTurin said:

You are actually pretty close on the Y-Wing. IIRC, the Y-Wings needed so much maintenance (being 20+ year old ships), the Rebel mechanics and engineers eventually just stopped putting the panels back on after repairs in order to save time. 

That's right, I remember it saying that in the original Incredible Cross Sections.

Using my incredible skills of downloading things from DeviantArt and smashing them ontop of each other with Paint.net, I have come up with this.

BTL-A4 overlaid on top of the BTL-B.

It should still be a small base, IMO.

37 minutes ago, Woorloog said:

Huh, that kind of makes sense. Basically all small base ships are under 20 meters in length (or width) (even the HWK-290, which is about 16 meters length and correctly scaled in X-wing TMG, since we'll ignore that idiotic and obviously flawed RPG length Wookieepedia so likes). The BTL-B Y-Wing is about 23 meters long, so it would be pretty good fit for medium base.

The Republic Y-wing will be on the same base as the Rebel Y-wing.

1 minute ago, XPav said:

Using my incredible skills of downloading things from DeviantArt and smashing them ontop of each other with Paint.net, I have come up with this.

BTL-A4 overlaid on top of the BTL-B.

It should still be a small base, IMO.

The scale seems incorrect. Wookieepedia does indicate that the later Y-wing is about 20-23 meters long, but comparing the miniature to others, like the X-wing, indicates that it is scaled to be roughly 16 meters long... which is another cited length for the Y-wing.

At least that based on eyeballing it (with old Y-wing sculpt, is the new one larger?). Obviously it is not unreasonable that the longer length is actually accurate and that the miniature is on wrong scale.

So my primary alignment axis on that was the width, then I lined up the front of the nacelles, which then lined up with the astromech slot and I was like "PERFECT SHIP IT". The BTL-A4 nose sticks out a bit, but it looks pretty good otherwise. Yeah, you can argue a few pixels either way.

I don't know what the actual size/scale is, of course (for the.... imaginary.... space fighters?), but the BTL-B is definitely ~10% longer.

Assuming the arts you made the mashup are accurate, then the given lengths and/or miniature scales are likely slightly wrong. They do fit very nicely after all.

I'm thinking the Y-Wing will be on a medium base with a similar dial and have an additional hull on it. The Z-95 will be the Republic's traditional 'fighter' so cheaper than the ARC-170 and somewhere between a better Z-95 and a X-Wing, possibly making it effectively an X-Wing from 1.0 but with an altered dial.

1 hour ago, MasterShake2 said:

It's also noteworthy that the Z's we see for Rebels and Scum, while older designs, have seen improvements over the Clone Wars versions, whereas the Y's in Rebels and Scum are mostly just degraded versions of the Clone Wars Y's.

I'm not convinced that the Rebel and Scum versions of the Z-95 had seen all that many improvements since the Z-95 had been around for years before the Clone Wars, whereas the Clone Z-95 was made specifically for the Republic for the war and was made to be bigger, and stronger than its civilian market counterpart.

30 minutes ago, XPav said:

Using my incredible skills of downloading things from DeviantArt and smashing them ontop of each other with Paint.net, I have come up with this.

BTL-A4 overlaid on top of the BTL-B.

It should still be a small base, IMO.

I think the medium base would be interesting and help set it apart from the Rebel and Scum versions, as well as the inevitable ST era one, but that said I'd much prefer to pay small ship prices since I'll likely want to try and run four of them.

Y wing is the same size. It’s the same ship with plating removed!

Z-95 is interesting as it’s entirely probable that the ones in service with the republic navy may well be not as good as the ones kicking about in the OT era. I expect a slightly worse dial but maybe some groovy new missiles.

1 minute ago, Animewarsdude said:

I'm not convinced that the Rebel and Scum versions of the Z-95 had seen all that many improvements since the Z-95 had been around for years before the Clone Wars, whereas the Clone Z-95 was made specifically for the Republic for the war and was made to be bigger, and stronger than its civilian market counterpart.

Clone Z's didn't have missiles or hyperdrives, different engines, possibly (although I can't say for sure) weaker shields. I could see them being more like a Scyk than a GCW Z.

10 minutes ago, MasterShake2 said:

Clone Z's didn't have missiles or hyperdrives, different engines, possibly (although I can't say for sure) weaker shields. I could see them being more like a Scyk than a GCW Z.

They had torpedos instead of missiles, more powerful engines, and I'd imagine shielding would be the same if not military grade considering when they were created.

And hyperdrives weren't exactly standard on Z-95s, at least in legends, where you'd have to pay for that feature or upgrade one yourself to give it one.

They are also notably bigger, like ARC-170 size. They are longer than the ARC-170 but are just slightly not as wide, with the ARC being 13~ meters long and 20~ meters wide and the Z-95 being 17~ meters long and 18 meters wide.

8 minutes ago, Estarriol said:

Y wing is the same size. It’s the same ship with plating removed!

It is not. The BTL-B may have the same overall layout but the turret is especially different in the BTL-A4. Not to mention the model designation, which kinda implies there are other differences (ie its quite different craft inside, even ignoring external differences). The original cross-sections book had a pick of the OT-era Y-wing with plating and it looks still like the S3/A4 model, just with center section covered up. While perhaps no longer canon, i do think that it might still well represent plated A4 Y-wings.

There is space in the timeline for variety of Y-wing variants. Say A4s were built roughly 5 years after the Clone Wars, they'd be old pieces of junk by the OT-era.