Mace windu does a k turn onto a rock....fully executing the maneuver...he spends a force to do a barrel roll off the rock. And because he executed a red manuever... he recovers that force. Next he isnt on a rock anymore so takes an action.

This is correct?

If it's not correct then why do defenders still get an evade if they cross a rock?

1 minute ago, Velvetelvis said:

Mace windu does a k turn onto a rock....fully executing the maneuver...he spends a force to do a barrel roll off the rock. And because he executed a red manuever... he recovers that force. Next he isnt on a rock anymore so takes an action.

This is correct?

If it's not correct then why do defenders still get an evade if they cross a rock?

How is he performing actions while stressed?

All that mace windu-ing is before the stress comes ..at the " fully executing the maneuver part.

Maybe?

4 minutes ago, Velvetelvis said:

Mace windu does a k turn onto a rock....fully executing the maneuver...he spends a force to do a barrel roll off the rock. And because he executed a red manuever... he recovers that force. Next he isnt on a rock anymore so takes an action.

This is correct?

If it's not correct then why do defenders still get an evade if they cross a rock?

1: he can't perform actions whilst stressed, so he can't use FTC after a K turn.

2: even if he could, the act of crossing the rock is what causes you to skip your Perform Action step, so even if you do get off it (e.g. with Afterburners, R4-P17, etc) you still don't get your action.

Mace Windu wants Supernatural Reflexes.

Just now, Velvetelvis said:

All that mace windu-ing is before the stress comes ..at the " fully executing the maneuver part.

Maybe?

No. 'Aftyer fully executing a manoeuvre' is after all the steps of executing a manouevre, which includes the check stress step.

2 minutes ago, Velvetelvis said:

All that mace windu-ing is before the stress comes ..at the " fully executing the maneuver part.

Maybe?

No, the check stress step is part of executing a maneuver. You're not done executing the maneuver until after you've gotten the stress.

Additionally, to answer your other question: asteroids don't prevent you from performing actions. Overlapping/moving through an asteroid causes you to skip your Perform Action step. The TIE Defender ship ability is not affected by skipping your Perform Action step.

I see. Cool.

So similarly...let's say any jedi flies over a rock with a regular white maneuver but not lands on it.

Then...like a defender they can spend a force to use the FTC?

4 minutes ago, Velvetelvis said:

I see. Cool.

So similarly...let's say any jedi flies over a rock with a regular white maneuver but not lands on it.

Then...like a defender they can spend a force to use the FTC?

Yup. Same with Afterburners; you can go fast over debris, take the stress, and still get your boost in. All you have to do to trigger the opportunity is fully execute the maneuver.

4 minutes ago, Velvetelvis said:

I see. Cool.

So similarly...let's say any jedi flies over a rock with a regular white maneuver but not lands on it.

Then...like a defender they can spend a force to use the FTC?

Yes. As long as the template for the reposition doesn't touch the rock, you can boost or roll off it. You still skip your perform action step, as noted above.

Excellent info. Thanks fellas!

2 hours ago, Velvetelvis said:

I see. Cool.

So similarly...let's say any jedi flies over a rock with a regular white maneuver but not lands on it.

Then...like a defender they can spend a force to use the FTC?

To be perfectly clear: you can use FTC even after landing on a rock or gas cloud (assuming un-stressed) as long as your template does not overlap the obstacle.

Hmmm. Now I'm a bit cloudy again. You mean if the base lands on a rock (given that not stressed and the move I'm doing wont stress him either).

Then the FTC still works ( same timing as a defender) so ok to spend a force and roll off the rock.

Which puts him now not on a rock and can take a normal action like a boost or something?

But..what would the template crossing matter? A defender can cross a rock with a template and still do its " when you complete a maneuver "action.

I might not be explaining my question correctly.

If your manoeuvre template or base touch the rock you skip your Perform Action step.

Entirely independently, FTC can always occur as long as you are not stressed and didn't bump. BUT the template for the roll or boost cannot touch the obstacle.

Oh. Gotcha yes

So if the FTC boost /roll template doesnt touch any rock piece then that can succeed.

Which means when the " can I do an action " step comes up...I'm no longer on the rock. So take a normal action like normal.

No.

Skipping your action step is a result of your manoeuvre template or base overlapping the rock.

2 hours ago, Velvetelvis said:

So if the FTC boost /roll template doesnt touch any rock piece then that can succeed.

Which means when the " can I do an action " step comes up...I'm no longer on the rock. So take a normal action like normal.

there is nothing stopping you from performing actions just because you're on top of a rock. you do not get your perform action step after executing a maneuver that moved you through an asteroid or gas cloud, though.

Here's some pages from the Rules Reference (1.0.2) that cover the answers given above:

• Overlap is defined on page 14 as having your final position (the ship base) physically in the same place as an object, and special rules are outlined for overlapping another ship as opposed to obstacles.
• Move Through is covered under Move on page 13 and boils down to having your movement or maneuver template (but not the ship base) overlap an object.
• When you Overlap or Move Through (yes you can overlap and move through at the same time) an asteroid (or other obstacle), you suffer effects as covered under Obstacles on page 13. An asteroid in particular causes you to skip your Perform Action Step , but does not say anything about blocking actions from other sources (FTC, Coordinate, pilot abilities, etc.)
• Definition of the Perform Action Step is a part of the Activation Phase on page 3
• Barrel Roll is covered on page 5 and Boost is on page 6, both of those will fail if the template overlaps an obstacle.
• Stress is covered on page 18 and prohibits taking actions. Note that some cards override this with a special clause (such as that on Afterburners) that says "... even while stressed."

I think that covers it!

P.S. link to the current Rules Reference:

https://images-cdn.fantasyflightgames.com/filer_public/2a/57/2a57fdb2-e13f-4d58-b9db-bb082dd23dcc/swzrulesreference_v102.pdf

...which can be found on the X-Wing Second Edition product page in the Support section toward the bottom.

Lando (Rebel, YT-1300) has similar antics.....

And if Mace were Anakin OH BOI!!! In bidness now son!