32 minutes ago, Caimheul1313 said:Personally, I prefer sprues since they frequently provide more modelling options than only the bits you need in a baggie.
While I haven't had many outright breakages
I have! GW apparently gets a lot of air bubbles in their sprues. You'll play with something just fine and then, notice that the Skeleton Leg B2 or whatever, keeps on breaking in the exact same spot in multiple kits.
3 minutes ago, TauntaunScout said:I have! GW apparently gets a lot of air bubbles in their sprues. You'll play with something just fine and then, notice that the Skeleton Leg B2 or whatever, keeps on breaking in the exact same spot in multiple kits.
That could also be the furthest point from multiple injector points so is prone to getting too little plastic. The breakages I've had were mostly the result of misjudging what was the 'right' order of snips to perform early in my hobby experiences, leading to significant pressure on a part in an unsupported direction.
My only real point:
Nobody should interpret "hard plastic" as "styrene" until FFG actually says so or someone gets their hands on a model/sprue to say for sure.
People new to the hobby definitely shouldn't be running out to buy plastic cement until they know they can use it.
Jumping to a completely new type of manufacturing would be exciting, but strikes me as unlikely.
I've never used clippers, just a high quality xacto and a cutting mat.
I also wash my sprues when I get them unboxed. Maybe this is just a relic of the past, but on resin and some plastics the mold release agent can leave some residue on the material. Maybe thats not really a thing anymore, dunno.
2 hours ago, Dosiere said:I've never used clippers, just a high quality xacto and a cutting mat.
I also wash my sprues when I get them unboxed. Maybe this is just a relic of the past, but on resin and some plastics the mold release agent can leave some residue on the material. Maybe thats not really a thing anymore, dunno.
I wash my figures no matter what the material, so if you’re a relic then I am too! The worse thing I can think of is to finish painting a figure and then have the paint start to chip because of the residue. The risk just isn’t worth it!!
GW sells people cheap tools at high prices.
The difference between dollar tree nippers and single side flush cutters (the wave nippers) is largely in the amount of time you spend finishing.
You don’t need fancy tools for any of this. You could just rip the models from the sprues with your teeth. Or use cheap nippers and file down the stubs.
But sprues will increase the time it takes people to go from purchase to play. This is kind of a critical factor in deciding if the game gets played at all.
So I recommend a good time saving tool that’s pretty reasonable if you buy it from an importer on eBay.
15 hours ago, Tvayumat said:My only real point:
Nobody should interpret "hard plastic" as "styrene" until FFG actually says so or someone gets their hands on a model/sprue to say for sure.
People new to the hobby definitely shouldn't be running out to buy plastic cement until they know they can use it.
Jumping to a completely new type of manufacturing would be exciting, but strikes me as unlikely.
Aren't the vehicles already cast in HIPS, at least I used plastic cement to glue together the vehicles from the core (apart from the drivers/riders which where PVC like the rest), so I would assume that's the way they would go forward with the rest if they changed to "hard plastic". But I guess you're right not to assume anything untill we have the final product in hand.
Do experts use both Nippers and a razor blade? I've had problems in the past getting things off of sprues and want to use the tools that make it easiest and quickest.
Any links to suggestions?
10 hours ago, TylerTT said:
But sprues will increase the time it takes people to go from purchase to play. This is kind of a critical factor in deciding if the game gets played at all.
That seems like requiring instant gratification to make sales. Against which pretty much every miniatures game will lose out to screens and beer, in a contest for customers. If that extra 10 minutes or so is keeping someone out of the game, they’ll never play anyway. These games take some commitment by definition.
I only use cheap nippers to cut sprue into smaller pieces. Actual components are removed via x-acto knife. I have various clippers but don’t actually like them for component removal. I feel like the big push for clippers circa 2000 AD largely goes to GW trying to come up with tools to sell to children who cannot be trusted with x-acto knives.
Edited by TauntaunScout8 hours ago, Mr Tough Guy said:
Aren't the vehicles already cast in HIPS, at least I used plastic cement to glue together the vehicles from the core (apart from the drivers/riders which where PVC like the rest), so I would assume that's the way they would go forward with the rest if they changed to "hard plastic". But I guess you're right not to assume anything untill we have the final product in hand.
I couldn't say, but if so that would indicate the models MAY not be in PVC.
It's certainly possible, but as you say we really shouldn't assume anything.
Mostly what I'm worried about is the total newbie (and this game brings in plenty) making a plastic cement mess their first time out and getting frustrated. An easy mistake to avoid.
I use clippers that I have (wire cutters that I use for jewelry making in my case) but still use an x-acto knife to clean up the connection. To me it is easier to clip and then clean up mold lines and 'clipped' ends so I don't try to be precise with my clippers