2 minutes ago, Demon4x4 said:

Didn't he basically do just that when protecting her from Zam Wessell? I may be misremembering the time line of events, though.

Well she's asleep when he saves her from the poison bugs. She awakes and it is all, "There is a creepy boy on my bed." Then Anakin goes out the window and she doesn't actually see anything he does from there on out. There is no swinging her across chasms to save her from Stormtroopers.

Meh, saving the girl and having her swoon into his arms is too cliche even for star wars.

Women in Star Wars are bad *** and scary and save themselves. Remember Leia kicking the clueless boys down the garbage shoot?

Is it possible that he may have unwittingly mind tricked her into having feeling s for him? I know there's no real support for anything like this, but it never sat well with me that she seemingly suddenly tells Anakin she loves him (instead of me-- 😳 um...) right as they enter the arena on Geonosis.

1 hour ago, Estarriol said:

Meh, saving the girl and having her swoon into his arms is too cliche even for star wars.

Women in Star Wars are bad *** and scary and save themselves. Remember Leia kicking the clueless boys down the garbage shoot?

Only in the animated short they put out, in the film she was the first one to go down the chute.

1 hour ago, Estarriol said:

Meh, saving the girl and having her swoon into his arms is too cliche even for star wars.

Women in Star Wars are bad *** and scary and save themselves. Remember Leia kicking the clueless boys down the garbage shoot?

Didn't Leia need the boys to show up and let her out of her prison cell? I didn't see her saving herself so much before the boys came along.

On 4/8/2019 at 4:25 PM, Frimmel said:

Didn't Leia need the boys to show up and let her out of her prison cell? I didn't see her saving herself so much before the boys came along.

"Maybe you'd like it back in your cell, princess."

It seems that a lot of people forget the Death Star rescue was a spur of the moment thing with very little if any planning carried out by an aged Jedi, an inexperienced farmboy, a pair of mercenaries and some droids. They were there to deliver Kenobi and the plans to Leia on Alderaan. Circumstances dictated that wouldn't be what went down, but it's not like you had a trained and prepared team. Leia certainly seized the moment a few times like providing cover fire on the bridge, but the fun of the rescue is that it's like the Indiana Jones mine cart chase. It's always one step away from failing horribly .

The movie's novelization give a great quote from Leia concerning the rescue at the end of the prologue: "They were in the wrong place at the wrong time. Naturally they became heroes."

9 minutes ago, ArcHammer said:

It seems that a lot of people forget the Death Star rescue was a spur of the moment thing with very little if any planning carried out by an aged Jedi, an inexperienced farmboy, a pair of mercenaries and some droids.

All they remember is that if Leia hadn't come up with the idea to go down the garbage shot they'd have all been captured. In typical feminine solipsistic fashion her timely idea becomes Leia being a self-rescuing princess as though she found her way out of the cell all on her own. She'd have gotten nowhere without the boys and their spaceship and the entire being allowed to escape part. The entire self-rescuing princess idea and particularly the attitude that accompanies it makes me disagreeable.

Who knows what would’ve happened. Maybe there were rebel sympathisers preparing to break her out. Maybe she could’ve escaped on her own. An opportunity would've presented itself because, from TFA, apparently that IS the way the Force works 😛

FFS, there’s only two women in the whole universe and they are both strong characters. Deal with it!

57 minutes ago, Estarriol said:

Who knows what would’ve happened. Maybe there were rebel sympathisers preparing to break her out. Maybe she could’ve escaped on her own. An opportunity would've presented itself because, from TFA, apparently that IS the way the Force works 😛

FFS, there’s only two women in the whole universe and they are both strong characters. Deal with it!

I didn't say she wasn't strong. I said she didn't rescue herself.

13 hours ago, Estarriol said:

Who knows what would’ve happened. Maybe there were rebel sympathisers preparing to break her out. Maybe she could’ve escaped on her own. An opportunity would've presented itself because, from TFA, apparently that IS the way the Force works 😛

FFS, there’s only two women in the whole universe and they are both strong characters. Deal with it!

Deal with what? Strong characters have flaws and just because someone is "strong" (a vague weasel word if there ever was one) that doesn't mean they're capable of doing everything themselves. Luke can't take down the Death Star without help from Han, and he can only take down one AT-AT by himself, so Wedge and Hobbie have to do the lifting. And without the crew of the Falcon's intervention Leia was scheduled for immediate execution. One person, completely unarmed and untrained, is going to escape a battle station on her own? I mean the only reason the Falcon got out was because the Empire put a tracking device on board.

But don't let actually having seen the film get in the way of your waifu worship.

My, what an unpleasant tone! And isn’t a completely unarmed and untrained person escaping from the heart of enemy territory what we see Rey doing later?

Anyway, completely not the point of this thread. If you want to pour scorn somewhere start your own 😛

TPM is a good movie, flat out.

The best of the prequels is easily Revenge of The Sith, which might be my fourth or third all time favorite, riding behind ESB, TLJ and possibly SOLO.

The Prequels all have some good things in them. The issue with all of them though is Lucas's overall laziness. Dialogue scenes all more or less follow identical structures, and certain plot points are just not developed nearly enough. Watching the behind the scenes stuff on the prequels is just embarrassing. Lucas actually tells his assistants that he routinely forgets to provide the most basic form of direction like calling out "cut" or "action." He spends every shoot removed from the actors just watching monitors. It's pretty sad. The visual spectacle, music score, and many of the performances are solid, but there is a lack of directorial vision in all three films. There are a few notable exceptions, like the opera scene in EP 3, or much of the pod-racing sequence in EP 1, but these moments are not the entire movie. They are all decent popcorn flicks in their own way, which is to say they are passable, but that's about it. I'll happily re-watch them, except maybe episode 2 since I find it the worst offender of the three, but they don't even get to the level of TFA in my eyes. Spectacle and music just isn't enough for me.

On 4/11/2019 at 3:33 AM, Estarriol said:

My, what an unpleasant tone! And isn’t a completely unarmed and untrained person escaping from the heart of enemy territory what we see Rey doing later?

Anyway, completely not the point of this thread. If you want to pour scorn somewhere start your own 😛

I do literally describe myself on my profile as "grumpy TIE Fighter man". So unpleasant...sometimes, sure.

"What we see Rey doing later"

Because obviously what Lucas had in mind when he wrote it in 1976 was to justify an overpowered character's ability to escape in a middling soft reboot made 40 years later.

On 3/30/2019 at 1:28 PM, Estarriol said:

And it’s not nearly as awful as I remember when it first came out. The visuals are stunning, the lightsaber battle is epic...

I mean, sure. Jar jar. But then again, ROTJ had Ewoks. As someone who didn’t enjoy TLJ very much I think it’s allowing me to watch the prequels with a broader mind. Either that or I’ve mellowed with age.

Well when compared with all the other $tar War$ movies, it is not the worst. But I wouldn't rank it in the top 50%. Wait for the next movie to come out and it might be up there.

Revenge of the Sith today. I’m going to buck the trend and say for me it was the weakest of the prequel trilogies. The high points are obviously the Battle for Coruscant and Vader vs. Obi-wan, but it was incredibly hard to get behind Anakin’s fall. None of it makes sense until Padme confronts him. And Yoda seems to give up remarkably easily. And why doesn’t he try again with Obi-wan to help? It doesn’t feel like the heroes were crushed in the end, only that they had to give up to get into starting positions for episode 4.

Be that as it may, very enjoyable, and nothing like being asked by my children if I can watch Star Wars with them on May 4th

On 4/8/2019 at 10:03 AM, Frimmel said:

Anakin in that scene is a seventeen year old boy raised by monks to spurn attachment on a romantic getaway with the girl of his dreams. Dreams he's not supposed to have or act on.

Of all the misfires in the Prequels, this was one of the biggest (up there with Jesus Anakin, Lucas not farming out directing and writing duties to people who are actually capable, and not bringing back the Great Bob Anderson to choreograph the lightsaber duels. Nick Gilliard is a HACK).

After they spent the entire Original Trilogy hammering home that the Force is strong in Luke's family, making it abundantly clear that Force affinity is hereditary , they decide to go with the "Jedi don't get married and have kids" (although apparently George came back saying that doesn't mean Jedi are celibate . So apparently they're perfectly fine to hook up, as long as it's casual empty sex with no attachment. Yeah...) nonsense to force a half-assed Romeo and Juliet plot that really wasn't necessary.

On 4/8/2019 at 1:52 PM, PanchoX1 said:

according to the weird al song, he's 9 and she's 14.

Consider that confirmed. Weird Al is canon.

The Jedi took a vow of celibacy. Just like their fathers before them.

On 5/4/2019 at 2:27 PM, Estarriol said:

Revenge of the Sith today. I’m going to buck the trend and say for me it was the weakest of the prequel trilogies. The high points are obviously the Battle for Coruscant and Vader vs. Obi-wan, but it was incredibly hard to get behind Anakin’s fall.

Anakin's fall is also my biggest gripe about Episode 3.

I mean, I get why he joined Palpatine, having officially betrayed the jedi when he saved Palpatine, there was no real turning back, and at this point he knew that the Jedi were flawed too... but going as far as willingly slaughtering children? A minute he wants to put Palpatine under trial because he's a Sith and the next he's okay to kill children just because Palpatine ask him to? I just can't get behind the idea that Anakin would fall so fast to the dark side to be okay with that.

But, to understand a little bit more about his fall, here's a good video:

To be fair, it wasn’t the first time he slaughtered children.

I think those who question Anakin's willingness forget two things.

1: His love for Padme is beyond love, it's full blown obsession and later posession. He will do anything to save not only what he loves, but what is his. What does he do the minute she is not his?

2: That The Dark Side is very powerful, and Anakin let it ovetake him in the terribly vain hope he could save Padme.

Everything Anakin did, he did to save her. To him there was no cost too great... And to those who've watched Clone Wars, it's clear that any threat to Padme is responded to, by Anakin, with barely held back murderous intent.

On 5/27/2019 at 1:37 AM, Captain Lackwit said:

And to those who've watched Clone Wars, it's clear that any threat to Padme is responded to, by Anakin, with barely held back murderous intent.

There's that set of episodes where Padme has to make nice with some other guy and Anakin is practically blowing the mission and their secret before they even start with jealousy and possessiveness.

I'd say one of the best things about Clone Wars is how they show Anakin's response to everything is barely held back murderous intent. And sometimes it does come out as murder like when Duchess Satine is hostage of Merrick, "What? He was gonna blow up the ship."

I'd also point out that Palpatine has been manipulating Anakin in some fashion since Anakin was a boy.

On 4/11/2019 at 12:17 PM, Hippie Moosen said:

The issue with all of them though is Lucas's overall laziness. Dialogue scenes all more or less follow identical structures, and certain plot points are just not developed nearly enough.

I'd also add, from a special-effects standpoint, an over-reliance on digital effects. There were plenty of times in the prequels were practical effects would have been perfectly suited, but for some reason they went with digital instead (as opposed to some of the more recent movies using more practical effects again and then just touching them up with CGI, or using CGI where practical effects are completely out-of-the-question). One moment that stuck out was seeing the Tantive IV at the end of RotS. Compare:

It's like someone saw ANH when it first came out, and then tried to recreate the ship from memory without rewatching it years later. Not to mention the expense, when they probably could have gotten an actual model of the exact same ship off-the-shelf for a fraction of the price.

On 5/4/2019 at 2:27 PM, Estarriol said:

Revenge of the Sith today. I’m going to buck the trend and say for me it was the weakest of the prequel trilogies. The high points are obviously the Battle for Coruscant and Vader vs. Obi-wan, but it was incredibly hard to get behind Anakin’s fall. None of it makes sense until Padme confronts him. And Yoda seems to give up remarkably easily. And why doesn’t he try again with Obi-wan to help? It doesn’t feel like the heroes were crushed in the end, only that they had to give up to get into starting positions for episode 4.

Be that as it may, very enjoyable, and nothing like being asked by my children if I can watch Star Wars with them on May 4th

Yeah, the best I can say for TPM was that it didn't have Hayden Christensen in it. He made Anakin's fall into a very frustrating combination of emotionlessness and unbelievable caving.

Anakin: (stiffly and without any emotion whatsoever) Oh, no. I killed Master Windu. Whatever will I do.

Palpatine: Join me in the Dark Side!

Anakin: (still sans-emotion) No. I will never join you.

Palpatine: Come on...

Anakin: (continuing his trend) ... ... ... What is thy bidding my master?

On 5/6/2019 at 6:29 PM, Scrivner said:

Consider that confirmed. Weird Al is canon.

I guarantee Weird Al puts more thought into his songs than Lucas did into most of the Prequel movies.