These are not the droids I am looking for.

5 hours ago, Jabby said:

IMO the seperatist movement in star wars is basically the us civil war if it was about state rights only and had nothing to do with slavery. Add in some corruption and boom, you’re done

Eh, leave in the fact that the US Civil War was actually about slavery, and you have a better parallel. Much like the CSA claimed to be leaving for "states rights," but really left due to economic issues (Slavery being the biggest one), the Confederacy of Independent Systems (ye gods, how I hate the term "Separatist Alliance") claimed to be leaving for noble reasons of Senatorial corruption, inefficient government, taxation, neglect, "freedom" etc. However, as we see from the primary backers (the Trade Federation, Commerce Guild, Banking Clan, etc) the actual movement was about protecting their business interests and attempting to found a government that would allow them a freer hand in making money. Jabiim from the Dark Horse comics is a great example of this, as the planet only seceded after they had the opportunity to make a ton of credits trading with the CIS. TCW even hit it on the nose from time to time, and showed the CIS being OK with actual slavery, while the Republic was officially against it, but continued to make use of "slave" soldiers in the form of the Clones.

13 hours ago, Derrault said:

I mean, the plan as it was: to run both sides of things and cause massive attrition of the Jedi order, while creating emergencies to justify concentrating power in Palpatine’s hands makes sense on its own merits.

The only real danger from Palpatine’s perspective would have been that the Republic win too early, or worse, the CIS be too successful, and Dooku seeing an opportunity to become the one Sith, finishes Palpatine off.

The cartoon series featured a few moments where Palpatine definitely could have died (giant monster episode, a few times when he was knocked unconscious, some large scale explosions, and some ship to ship battle). Force users are by far at their most vulnerable in fleet combat

-MY- headcanon is that yes, while the plan became that, up until Padme showed up on Coruscant his plan was to lead the secession movement. There is no source that gives me that plan, but I think it's a good story and shows how Sheeve was able to adapt to actual events rather than sticking to a 20 year plan.

2 hours ago, Zrob314 said:

-MY- headcanon is that yes, while the plan became that, up until Padme showed up on Coruscant his plan was to lead the secession movement. There is no source that gives me that plan, but I think it's a good story and shows how Sheeve was able to adapt to actual events rather than sticking to a 20 year plan.

Technically though it’s just 10 years, Sifo-Dyas Orders a Clone army, and is killed, then 10 years later the wars begin.

11 minutes ago, Derrault said:

Technically though it’s just 10 years, Sifo-Dyas Orders a Clone army, and is killed, then 10 years later the wars begin.

13+ If the original plan is to take control of the senate you have to: Get elected, stay elected, get enough influence to even be a viable candidate for chancellor, have an opening to be chancellor (which why not just have your lightsaber wielding assassin kill the chancellor?) become the chancellor.......

Jango was found and contracted to be the clone template by Darth Tyrannus; who was not a Sith at the time of the invasion of Naboo.
Years ago I had a fan fic idea where Dooku and Sheeve met at Qui-Gon's funeral and the seduction of Darth Tyrannus began there.

7 minutes ago, Zrob314 said:

13+ If the original plan is to take control of the senate you have to: Get elected, stay elected, get enough influence to even be a viable candidate for chancellor, have an opening to be chancellor (which why not just have your lightsaber wielding assassin kill the chancellor?) become the chancellor.......

Jango was found and contracted to be the clone template by Darth Tyrannus; who was not a Sith at the time of the invasion of Naboo.
Years ago I had a fan fic idea where Dooku and Sheeve met at Qui-Gon's funeral and the seduction of Darth Tyrannus began there.

That’s the thing, Dooku must have become a sith very soon after mauls supposed Death, because he’s the one that contracts for Sifodyas to be killed.

This all makes me sad. I just wish Maul would have gotten to movie 2, maybe even 3 with obiwan constantly telling Anakin he shouldn't be focused on revenge (for his slavery, mother, etc) while Obi secretly deals with his master's killer still out there.

4 hours ago, crx3800 said:

This all makes me sad. I just wish Maul would have gotten to movie 2, maybe even 3 with obiwan constantly telling Anakin he shouldn't be focused on revenge (for his slavery, mother, etc) while Obi secretly deals with his master's killer still out there.

I like how the Maul Obi story played out, personally. Maul had a lifelong hate on for Obi and Obi just kept ignoring (and pretty easily dispatching) this pest. Even after Maul killed his GF.

17 hours ago, Alpha17 said:

Eh, leave in the fact that the US Civil War was actually about slavery, and you have a better parallel. Much like the CSA claimed to be leaving for "states rights," but really left due to economic issues (Slavery being the biggest one), the Confederacy of Independent Systems (ye gods, how I hate the term "Separatist Alliance") claimed to be leaving for noble reasons of Senatorial corruption, inefficient government, taxation, neglect, "freedom" etc. However, as we see from the primary backers (the Trade Federation, Commerce Guild, Banking Clan, etc) the actual movement was about protecting their business interests and attempting to found a government that would allow them a freer hand in making money. Jabiim from the Dark Horse comics is a great example of this, as the planet only seceded after they had the opportunity to make a ton of credits trading with the CIS. TCW even hit it on the nose from time to time, and showed the CIS being OK with actual slavery, while the Republic was officially against it, but continued to make use of "slave" soldiers in the form of the Clones.

True enough. I also remember one of the planets that seceded in the dark hors comics seceded when the CIS agreed to buy their only export : some sort of eggs that the Republic banned.

8 hours ago, Jabby said:

True enough. I also remember one of the planets that seceded in the dark hors comics seceded when the CIS agreed to buy their only export : some sort of eggs that the Republic banned.

I don't recall the name of the planet, but I remember that plot line. Led into the Dark Times comic, if memory serves.

While I can't find any basis for this, I've always assumed the sudden threat of Rendili (builders of the Dreadnought and Victory-Class Star Destroyer) joining the Confederacy was due to the perceived bias toward Kuat by the Republic. Can't find anything backing this up, but it makes sense that their sudden shift in allegiance in the Dreadnoughts of Rendili arc was due to Dooku or his agents promising massive contracts to the once mighty manufacturing planet.