48 minutes ago, Roller of blanks said:

The fangs can only change a result, not add one

Yeah, thats what I meant. Fenn gets 4 at range 1.

2 hours ago, wurms said:

Anakin with 7B and R2 astro

Lumi with 7B and r2 astro

Two init2 torrents

Took it to trials and went 2-3, but list is better than the record shows. One loss was basically mine for the taking. I had a full mod range 1 shot on another anakin. Only needed 1 dmg to get half pts and the win. Rolled 3 hits and blank, lock rolled blank into a blank. His anakin rolled natty evades.

Other losses, I setup great shots, but did zero damage, which just changed the game. Crit crit crit hit on Fenn and he rolls 3 natty evades and adds evade with title. This happened two more times in that game, Anakim was just all over Fenn and after 4 good attacks Fenn had taken 1 dmg.

Got a block on vader with two full mod shots from Jedis in another loss game and whiffed on dice. Vader took zero damage and only had to spend 1 force. That was just mentally crushing and cost me the game.

Ya do good other times. Sometimes things just don't go as planned. Better luck your next tourney!

Did you think any lists you saw were just exceptionally terrifying?

Vader and other force users seem quite good. (Like these Deltas)

I flew today (for the first time):

• Anakin with CLT
• Obi-Wan with CLT
• Odd-Ball ARC with VTailG

First game was a disaster since I had no idea what I was doing.

Odd-ball was useless in all games.

Obi-Wan with one health re-positioned constantly and half-pointed 5 droid fighters... with one health left. Anakin died early in that game because I chose poorly.

Last game I had it down pretty well. Odd-Ball still sucked, but Anakin and Obi-Wan repositioned and CLTed numerous times.

If you're fighting a swarm or medium/large base ships, CLT is great, IMO. I triggered it numerous times.

Here has been another list i have been toying with. All theory cradt ar the moment.

Sam Jackson Sqd

Blue Squadron Protector [V-19 Torrent Starfighter] (5) Cluster Missiles (1) Crack Shot (2) Synchronized Console Points: 37

Blue Squadron Protector [V-19 Torrent Starfighter] (5) Cluster Missiles (1) Crack Shot (2) Synchronized Console Points: 37

Luminara Unduli [Delta-7 Aethersprite] (11) Battle Meditation Points: 55

Mace Windu [Delta-7 Aethersprite] (16) Delta-7B (3) Heightened Perception (2) R4 Astromech Points: 67

Total points: 196

Basic ideas;

1. Luminara and the BSP run around togethed. Battle meditation to either TL or focus. Not sure on the synchronized console. Has anyone used this upgrade? How did it work?

2. Mace just does his thing solo. Have points to upgrade to R2 astromech, or no astromech and maybe afterburners.

Any ideas. Going to test this friday with a friend. We have a big hyperspace tournament, I am not flying this for that. Just practice for us to know what might be out there.

1 hour ago, Blail Blerg said:

Ya do good other times. Sometimes things just don't go as planned. Better luck your next tourney!

Did you think any lists you saw were just exceptionally terrifying?

Vader and other force users seem quite good. (Like these Deltas)

Vader is scary. I ran into vader soonts maarek with 15pt bid. Delta Anakin can get hit hard from those.

I didnt want to face fenn with a large bid. And I did. The only fenn at the tourney. I knew it would be difficult to kill him if I moved first.

9 hours ago, millertime059 said:

Both have their place. I tend to fly a lot of two Jedi and Arc type lists, and typically one of each title. Gives me room for more elsewhere

The 7b is for my big gun. I use CLT on a support type. Saeese, Plo, Ahsoka, Luminara? They tend to get CLT. Anakin, Mace, or Obi Wan always get 7b.

I tend to fly non Anakin aces. I know I6 meta and all that, but it’s been my style to buck that trend. I feel confident that I am good enough not to need the I6, so fly a lot of other Jedi. I agree in principle that Anakin and Obi Wan are a bit expensive to leave much on the rest of your list, and Mace or Ahsoka give you a more well rounded list.

I’m settled on 7b on Anakin to answer my own question. Did you have success with CLT on your supporters? Because I’m really struggling to throw it on my Ashoka because of her I3. On the other hand this will free up points. What’s a good modification for deltas? Afterburners?

6 minutes ago, wurms said:

Vader is scary. I ran into vader soonts maarek with 15pt bid. Delta Anakin can get hit hard from those.

I didnt want to face fenn with a large bid. And I did. The only fenn at the tourney. I knew it would be difficult to kill him if I moved first.

This is why I don’t run bids. I want to practice flying first with my Aces.

This is in no way a validation for either config. I attended the SOS in the UK this past weekend. While I played Imperials in the open, I had planned on taking CLT Anakin + Jag and Wolffee to the HS Qualifier. Unfortunately life got in the way, and only managed to do R1 of that.
Was up against Nien Numb/ Ello / L'ulo / Greer, all with Heroic (I think they had something else, but can't really remember, even though it was just yesterday...)

Unfortunately my opening engagement was somewhat lacking, and while the Arcs did manage to push some damage through, they both melted quite rapidly. Anakin though was so much fun and although I lost 100-118, he was awesome at lining up shots and dodging arcs. Unfortunately, I overextended the time he was out of the battle a bit too much, otherwise I might've been able to squeeze in a few extra points, but it was an awesome game and makes me want to keep practicing with him. Would love to try a triple 'sprite or go back to two Jedi + Arc for the next few games.

6 hours ago, Ryuneke said:

I’m settled on 7b on Anakin to answer my own question. Did you have success with CLT on your supporters? Because I’m really struggling to throw it on my Ashoka because of her I3. On the other hand this will free up points. What’s a good modification for deltas? Afterburners?

I feel like Spare Parts Cannister is a nice control element for a bit cheaper and is solid if you are running R2 (and need that third charge), but I don't think you go wrong with Afterburners. At a hyperspace tourney this weekend, a two ship version of Ani+Obi did pretty well with shield upgrade (which is crazy expensive on them).

6 hours ago, wurms said:

Vader is scary. I ran into vader soonts maarek with 15pt bid. Delta Anakin can get hit hard from those.

 I didnt want to face fenn with a large bid. And I did. The only fenn at the tourney. I knew it would be difficult to kill him if I moved first.

I know it seems crazy, and I'm not sure how many points you have left over, but I think that sense is not a terrible upgrade on the Jedi in situations where you feel that you cannot beat a certain list if it has a bid on you. It doesn't always help you to get shots on them, but it can certainly help set up blocks with those torrents and Lumi or prevent them from getting shots on you. I think it's got to be really annoying for Fenn, who wants to be in R1, where you get Sense for free.

1 hour ago, AlexW said:

Ani+Obi did pretty well with shield upgrade

This list is crazy. Absolutely astounding.

9 hours ago, Ryuneke said:

I’m settled on 7b on Anakin to answer my own question. Did you have success with CLT on your supporters? Because I’m really struggling to throw it on my Ashoka because of her I3. On the other hand this will free up points. What’s a good modification for deltas? Afterburners?

Typically no mod. But that’s a function of points usually.

As for CLT I’ve had no issues triggering it at will, even against higher I ships. But this would not be universal I understand. But if you’re a good pilot, or facing large bases/ swarms, then keying off the bullseye should be very possible on these nimble ships. Or use it to force your opponent into a reposition losing mods/ positioning for later turns.

1 hour ago, Ryuneke said:

This list is crazy. Absolutely astounding.

It had 5 wins and top MoV, which surprised me as I'd have thought of it as a hit and run list.

11 minutes ago, AlexW said:

It had 5 wins and top MoV, which surprised me as I'd have thought of it as a hit and run list.

That was my first thought, too...

How did you fly this craziness?

Is there a link to this list

https://listfortress.com/tournaments/550?

Obi-Wan Kenobi + Brilliant Evasion + R2 Astromech + Delta-7B + Shield Upgrade
Anakin Skywalker + Brilliant Evasion + R2 Astromech + Delta-7B + Shield Upgrade

How often do you find brilliant evasion does anything useful and wouldn't sense do more useful things more often?

Similarly afterburners.

I'm interested to try it though given how often any third ship with that pairing dies before doing anything.

Yeah, I'm looking at it too for the same reasons. It's almost like "well, I've got these points left so I guess I'll take anything that will increase the survivability". It's got a 16-point bid still!

BI is such a bad card.

4 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

BI is such a bad card.

Not going to argue too much, but in this case, I think it's the most useful Force Power.

13 minutes ago, XPav said:

Not going to argue too much, but in this case, I think it's the most useful Force Power.

Sense is way more likely to be useful for the same points.

On two dice you get two eyeballs 6.25 per cent of the time, and of those times the number of them that you will be defending against two or more hits, without a focus token, and not be willing to spend two force rather than one are... SO low. Under normal circumstances it's not worth taking over a bid. Sense is so much better.

25 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

Sense is way more likely to be useful for the same points.

On two dice you get two eyeballs 6.25 per cent of the time, and of those times the number of them that you will be defending against two or more hits, without a focus token, and not be willing to spend two force rather than one are... SO low. Under normal circumstances it's not worth taking over a bid. Sense is so much better.

The list does have a 16 point bid already. I implied above that I think sense is a better card than most people are giving it credit for, but I can see why they'd go BI here. I'm guessing the combination of Obi-wan and Brilliant Evasion essentially allows for some of the most efficient use of force in the game, whereas sense can actually be a drain on it and isn't needed here. Obi-wan is normally an even worse choice for BI, but this tells me that the list doesn't always prioritize focus and wants these ships to operate independently -- or at least vary tactics when needed.

For example, BI on three point force users allows you to have very strong offense and defense in the same turn. You TL, could spend up to two force on offense and still feel safe with only one force for defense, especially if it is a R3.

I guess I'd normally agree and wouldn't find much use on it in most of my lists, but the use of it here feels a bit like heroic. It's not a card you are going to make use of every game. It's a card you can put there to help out your variance over the course of a long tourney and give you a bit of a safety net in a list that doesn't have room for error.

It gives you a vanishingly small advantage every so often, whereas two lots of Sense can let Obi Wan in particular outmanoeuvre or block higher-init ships, which is really useful, especially when Anakin is moving later and it can prevent him getting blocked or missing a shot.

I'm absolutely saying Brilliant Evasion (I have no idea what brought be to BI as an initialism lol) is worse, and even in this context, not worth taking.

Sense is the only other even partly passive option available, and in this list I'm absolutely certain you don't want to be spending Force unless you absolutely have to, so... that seems optimal.

This is one of those absolute knife-edge lists that is going to be immensely unfun to play against, sadly

2 hours ago, XPav said:

https://listfortress.com/tournaments/550?

Obi-Wan Kenobi + Brilliant Evasion + R2 Astromech + Delta-7B + Shield Upgrade
Anakin Skywalker + Brilliant Evasion + R2 Astromech + Delta-7B + Shield Upgrade

You know, for the same cost as shield upgrade, you can take stealth device and give brilliant evasion a little more to chew on.

Stealth doesn't last on two dice. Shield is better value.