So I have Lando's Falcon, and a Rebel Conversion kit.

I understand it's.... in the grey area whether I can fly Lando's Falcon with the Rebel dials and bases. So I really should get another model. Plenty of dirty, round-dished models available.

However, it's being re-released in Wave 4. With... " with a striking engine glow". Is this new model going to be so much superior to the old one that I should spend the more than 2x for it?

If you can get the 1300 model for cheap, just get it. The new 2.0 version won’t have any cards you don’t already have from the conversion kit.

6 minutes ago, XPav said:

So I have Lando's Falcon, and a Rebel Conversion kit.

I understand it's.... in the grey area whether I can fly Lando's Falcon with the Rebel dials and bases. So I really should get another model. Plenty of dirty, round-dished models available.

However, it's being re-released in Wave 4. With... " with a striking engine glow". Is this new model going to be so much superior to the old one that I should spend the more than 2x for it?

Not much of a "grey area" to be honest. Model has to match the ship name for official stuff per the regs, for casual games it's between you and your opponent to decide.

That being said. If you're able to pick up a Rebel YT-1300 for cheapish and don't need more copies of the cards that will be coming with the Wave 4 release go for it.

10 minutes ago, Hiemfire said:

Not much of a "grey area" to be honest. Model has to match the ship name for official stuff per the regs, for casual games it's between you and your opponent to decide.

So let's say I repainted a YT-1300 into something else, and made a replaceable dish so I could put rectangular vs round on it. I obviously use the proper cardboard for the faction (Scum, Rebel, or Resistance) I'm flying it with. Would any TO notice or complain? Are they going to start counting barrels on the turrets?

2 minutes ago, Hiemfire said:

Not much of a "grey area" to be honest. Model has to match the ship name for official stuff per the regs, for casual games it's between you and your opponent to decide.

I mean, technically , but this falls heavily into the "it's never enforced" rule.

I've seen people at FFG's Event Center during Worlds flying LEGO ships on the FFG bases. People use all sorts of silly and absurd 3rd Party alt arts at official events. I cannot imagine anyone I've paired against raising a stink over something like using one YT-1300 model as the other , and I've played against 100s of opponents at this point.

Heck, I fly my RZA2 models as RZA1s in my Extended Rebel Lists, because I really like their better scale and improved detailing. I just make sure to explicitly mention it to my opponent and remphasize to them that, as per the cardboard bases on my ships, my A-Wings do not have a mobile arc and there 3-Banks are white, and I tell them I can swap the models out if they would prefer. No one has ever had the slightest issue with it.

3 minutes ago, XPav said:

So let's say I repainted a YT-1300 into something else, and made a replaceable dish so I could put rectangular vs round on it. I obviously use the proper cardboard for the faction (Scum, Rebel, or Resistance) I'm flying it with. Would any TO notice or complain? Are they going to start counting barrels on the turrets?

Some will. Honestly it'd probably be cheaper to pick up the official model than to have it repainted unless you're the one doing the painting.

5 minutes ago, AllWingsStandyingBy said:

I mean     , technically     , but this falls heavily into the "it's never enforced" rule.

Just because a reg is "commonly" ignored doesn't make the reg "grey"...

1 minute ago, XPav said:

So let's say I repainted a YT-1300 into something else, and made a replaceable dish so I could put rectangular vs round on it. I obviously use the proper cardboard for the faction (Scum, Rebel, or Resistance) I'm flying it with. Would any TO notice or complain? Are they going to start counting barrels on the turrets?

If the cardboard is right, then no one will care.

No one is going to be playing against a Resistance list and think that "oh shoot, I thought that Rey was Scum Han..." I mean, the cardboard and the cards differentiate the ships, not the models. It's not like I have to worry that my opponent will suddenly think my Poe is Nien because they use the same identical T70 model and my opponent might get confused. No, I trust my opponent to look at my list, cards, and cardboard. I mean, maybe don't have the escape shuttle docked into your Rebel and Resistance Falcons , and I think you'll be fine.

18 minutes ago, Hiemfire said:

Just because a reg is "commonly" ignored doesn't make the reg "grey"...

Well duh. Except now we are talking about enforcement and the violation norms , not about what the rule says or doesn't say. We all agree with you that the rules clearly and objectively say "NO!" But, we're talking about practice versus policy now.

I mean, look speed limits exist. They are crystal clear. They exist for good reason. But there are contextual differences to how the law is enforced (school zone? bad weather? 5mph over in a 70mph or a 15mph zone?) No one expects to get pulled over for going 73mph in a 70mph zone, and 99.9999% of the time they do not. Now, you might get pulled over by that one super particular trooper who is technically correct and can technically write you that ticket, though you can almost certainly do a court appearance and argue your way out of it given the imprecision of lasers or the variance in individual speedometers and such (but even then he probably stopped the person going 73mph for other reasons, and those are likely not terribly just or fair, like suspicion that he'd find a warrant violation). But the overwhelming majority of the time, in good conditions the traffic flows right past troopers pulling radar at a healthy 5-10mph over the posted expressway speed limit. TOs/opponents are kind of like those troopers. Might you run into one who's a total hard*** and enforces the rule precisely and tickets you for going 2 mph over? Absolutely. Do I think I've ever met such a person or would be likely to meet such a person at an X-Wing tournament? Nope.


The speed limit laws exist so troopers can stop someone who is driving sufficiently wrecklessly, depending on the context. This tournament regulation exists so that TOs can prevent players from using models that could be confusing or unclear to the opponent (like if someone was using Armada fighters that were much smaller and harder to see, or if someone made "uglies" by switching all the wings between their various cockpits, making it much less clear which ship was which). That's the 97mph down the exressway scenario, that's what's going to get the TO to throw their flashing lights on and pull out in pursuit.

I’ve bought a Falcon for the Open as I didn’t have the correct one. On the vague possibility I do well I don’t want to be knocked out on a technicality!

4 minutes ago, Estarriol said:

I’ve bought a Falcon for the Open as I didn’t have the correct one. On the vague possibility I do well I don’t want to be knocked out on a technicality!

Knowing this community, I am sure if it started to approach that eventuality, someone would scrounge up an appropriate model you could borrow until the end of the event. But I understand the desire to be "better safe than sorry." Good luck at the Open!

2 minutes ago, AllWingsStandyingBy said:

Knowing this community, I am sure if it started to approach that eventuality, someone would scrounge up an appropriate model you could borrow until the end of the event.  But I understand the desire to be "better safe than sorry." Good luck at the Open!

At least we can agree in this entirely. I'm still shaking my head at the T-Roll ruling in Toronto and see parallels here. There is always the chance of that one judge enforcing something to the letter of how they interpret it, but in the case of ship models this is offset nicely by the fact that there is more likely to be a local bringing something extra to help others out just in case. The rule isn't grey, the enforcement is, and that can and will catch people off balance when it is enforced, but the community usually has that covered when it comes to models and cardboard.

Ops, radar dish broke off the model. I guess we just don't know so it works for any of them. It's like Y-wings or Z-95s that were shared between scum and rebel factions or the firespray or hawk model that had to be bought out of faction to use in scum. The model is the model irregardless of the paint job, which you are free to paint them however you want as long you don't put genitalia on it. A YT-1300 is a YT-1300.

But how much better will the engine glow be on the re-releases? That was my real question!

Just now, Mep said:

Ops, radar dish broke off the model. I guess we just don't know so it works for any of them. It's like Y-wings or Z-95s that were shared between scum and rebel factions or the firespray or hawk model that had to be bought out of faction to use in scum. The model is the model irregardless of the paint job, which you are free to paint them however you want as long you don't put genitalia on it. A YT-1300 is a YT-1300.

An additional smallish issue is the difference in the turrets between the Scum YT-1300 and the other 2 (1 barrel vs 4). Still, it comes down to TO call in a tourney if a player is using the Scum one as a proxy model, and even then there is probably someone who can and is willing to help out.

1 minute ago, Hiemfire said:

An additional smallish issue is the difference in the turrets between the Scum YT-1300 and the other 2 (1 barrel vs 4). Still, it comes down to TO call in a tourney if a player is using the Scum one as a proxy model, and even then there is probably someone who can and is willing to help out.

What about yellow y-wings used in scum list. People gonna flip tables over that? At this point how many Z-95 paint jobs are there? Are only 2 of them allowed in scum lists? This is a manufactured problem.

Yup. Literally anyone who would make an issue of it is a ****** bag of epic proportions, and should be permanently shunned by the community at large for being so.

There is a reasonable standard for this. Now if my opponent was flying a list composed entirely of T-70 and RZ-2 models but using an entirely Rebellion list from the conversion kit? I might raise an eyebrow. But if they were, say, playing casually and were short one model and subbed in their 1.0 Black One T70 to fill a list? That’s fine with me. And that’s for ships that are similar, but have meaningfully different names and models.

The YT-1300 nonsense is just that. And even at a tournament I would berate someone who raised a fuss about using any of the three models in any capacity.

3 minutes ago, Mep said:

What about yellow y-wings used in scum list. People gonna flip tables over that? At this point how many Z-95 paint jobs are there? Are only 2 of them allowed in scum lists? This is a manufactured problem.

🤨 Dude, TO's call or not to enforce the Tourney reg which requires the ship model be of a ship of the same exact name as the cardboard being used. Not close, EXACT. If you haven't noticed the Scum and Rebel Y-Wings are both BTL-A4 Y-Wings and Z-95s are all atm Z-95-AF4s. The YT-1300s are divided up between Customized, Modified and Scavenged and each is modeled differently. **** if I know why they're named that way, but the reg is clear. Now, as has been pointed out by others, it is usually ignored as long as the cardboard matches the rest of the bloody list but there is always the chance of someone (opponent or judge) raising a stink about the model in a tourney, and with the YT-1300's they have the rules backing them... What was also, correctly, pointed out is that the community tends to help each other out and there is usually someone who is willing to lend a ship.

1 minute ago, millertime059 said:

Yup. Literally anyone who would make an issue of it is a ****** bag of epic proportions, and should be permanently shunned by the community at large for being so.

There is a reasonable standard for this. Now if my opponent was flying a list composed entirely of T-70 and RZ-2 models but using an entirely Rebellion list from the conversion kit? I might raise an eyebrow. But if they were, say, playing casually and were short one model and subbed in their 1.0 Black One T70 to fill a list? That’s fine with me. And that’s for ships that are similar, but have meaningfully different names and models.

The YT-1300 nonsense is just that. And even at a tournament I would berate someone who raised a fuss about using any of the three models in any capacity.

This, so very much.

I run the local events and hope we hope we never have this issue come up. Anyone who would complain about this issue had dam well better not be flying a Y-Wing or Z-95 that doesn’t match his factions colors, hope they didn’t change any paint schemes either. 😂

19 minutes ago, XPav said:

But how much better will the engine glow be on the re-releases? That was my real question!

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that the "engine glow" on the new 2.0 Rebel Falcon will be awfully similar to the engine glow that was on the Heroes of the Resistance Falcon. The first Falcon (Rebel) had no glow painted on, and they made a big deal when the Heroes of the Resistance dropped that it had painted glow. I'm sure the Rebel Falcon is now getting that same strip of bluish paint.

21 minutes ago, XPav said:

But how much better will the engine glow be on the re-releases? That was my real question!

Compared to Lando's or the 1.0 Rebel ones? If you mean compared to the original release Rebel Falcon neither of mine have any engine "glow".

15 minutes ago, Hiemfire said:

The YT-1300s are divided up between Customized, Modified and Scavenged and each is modeled differently. **** if I know why they're named that way, but the reg is clear.

It's because of stats and dials. The three YT-1300 have different stats and different maneuver dials, whereas all the Y-Wings and Z-95s and ARC-170s use the same stats/dial across factions. So, the convention is, if a ship has a unique dial, it's a unique type of ship. If all three were just YT-1300, then players might be more inclined to think that any YT-1300 dial would do and use a Scum YT-1300 dial with their Resistance YT-1300, which is supposed to have a different dial. By having a different ship-class (name) for each of the three Falcons, it's more clear that it's a distinct ship that needs it's matching dial.

7 minutes ago, Vykk Draygo said:

I run the local events and hope we hope we never have this issue come up. Anyone who would complain about this issue had dam well better not be flying a Y-Wing or Z-95 that doesn’t match his factions colors, hope they didn’t change any paint schemes either. 😂

Why? The rules explicitly allow for "scum" painted Y-Wings and Z-95s to be flown as Rebel variants (and vice versa). The rules also allow for repaints. I agree that anyone who complains about the YT-1300 models being interchanged is being a bit ridiculous, but let's not act like paintjobs are the same thing, since the regulations document makes it clear that paintjobs are a non-issue.

4 minutes ago, Vykk Draygo said:

Anyone who would complain about this issue had dam well better not be flying a Y-Wing or Z-95 that doesn’t match his factions colors, hope they didn’t change any paint schemes either.

SO, you're planning on being even more of a **** than the ******* who would be raising a stink about the YT-1300's in the first place?

From Pg 3 of the printer friendly version of the Tourney regulations.

"Multiple Faction Ships
All ship cards and ship bases in a player’s squad must belong to the same
faction. If a player’s ship has different versions in more than one faction, the
player may use any version of the miniature and dial that match the full ship
name when assembling a squad. All dials must be from Second Edition. Plastic
dial backs from the premium maneuver dial kit may be used.

Multiple Ship Example: Scott is fielding a Scum & Villainy
squad that has two BTL-A4 Y-wings. One of his BTL-A4 Y-wing
miniatures and one of his BTL-A4 Y-wing dials is from the Second
Edition BTL-A4 Y-wing expansion. The other BTL-A4 Y-wing
miniature is from the First Edition Most Wanted expansion,
and the other dial is from the Second Edition Scum and Villainy
Conversion Kit. However, all of his ship cards and ship bases are
from the Scum & Villainy faction."

Read the bottom of the ******* cards:

11 minutes ago, AllWingsStandyingBy said:

It's because of dials. The three YT-1300 have different maneuver dials, whereas all the Y-Wings and Z-95s and ARC-170s use the same dial across factions. So, the convention is, if a ship has a unique dial, it's a unique type of ship. If all three were just YT-1300, then players might be more inclined to think that any YT-1300 dial would do and use a Scum YT-1300 dial with their Resistance YT-1300, which is supposed to have a different dial. By having a different ship-class (name) for each of the three Falcons, it's more clear that it's a distinct ship that needs it's matching dial.

Stat lines and action bars are different too.

41 minutes ago, Vykk Draygo said:

I run the local events and hope we hope we never have this issue come up. Anyone who would complain about this issue had dam well better not be flying a Y-Wing or Z-95 that doesn’t match his factions colors, hope they didn’t change any paint schemes either. 😂

I get that someone who's making a big deal about it is being somewhat of a jerk just trying to get a cheap win off a technicality, but these aren't really the same situation at all, seeing as how the rules-as-written support swapping out Y-Wings/Z-95s, but not YT-1300s. You can't very well say, "Fine, if you're going to hassle people for just barely breaking a minor rule that most people don't care about, then I'm going to hassle you for following the rules."