Reading R4-P's card, and trying to figure out what a Basic Maneuver is? Is that a specific color? Or just any Maneuver? Or anything except ones that flip your ship?

From Rules Reference pg 6 under Bearing

Anything else is an Advanced Maneuver.

Speaking of maneuvers, does Fine Tuned controls allow you to perform an action even if you are stressed? And are Force actions similarly able to be performed while stressed?

1 minute ago, GILLIES291 said:

Speaking of maneuvers, does Fine Tuned controls allow you to perform an action even if you are stressed? And are Force actions similarly able to be performed while stressed?

No and no.

38 minutes ago, Innese said:

No and no.

Unless of course you use the precedent set by the Paige Tico ruling and argue that "its not saying you Cant while stressed" /s

@Lyianx is absolutely correct... and I am sad because of it. I know this is not the right thread for this, but FFG really needs to overturn that ruling cause it is really going to wreck havoc at my local store (they love to Rule Lawyer everything to make the cards do what THEY want the cards to do)

1 hour ago, drazen90909 said:

@Lyianx is absolutely correct... and I am sad because of it. I know this is not the right thread for this, but FFG really needs to overturn that ruling cause it is really going to wreck havoc at my local store (they love to Rule Lawyer everything to make the cards do what THEY want the cards to do)

Am I missing something? From what I can see, Paige Tico doesn't involve actions, so I don't understand how she's relevant to the discussion. Fine-Tuned Controls explicitly allows you to perform an action, and actions can't be taken while stressed unless a card allows otherwise.

1 hour ago, JJ48 said:

Am I missing something? From what I can see, Paige Tico doesn't involve actions, so I don't understand how she's relevant to the discussion. Fine-Tuned Controls explicitly allows you to perform an action, and actions can't be taken while stressed unless a card allows otherwise.

Yeah. And each ship may only drop one device per round unless a card allows otherwise. Except FFG has ruled that Paige ignores that rule, because, and i quote....

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as they do not include the "if you have not dropped or launched a device this round"

1 minute ago, Lyianx said:

Yeah. And each ship may only drop one device per round unless a card allows otherwise. Except FFG has ruled that Paige ignores that rule, because, and i quote....

Ah, I see. Still, I think allowing a ship to do something an additional, bonus time (even if not phrased as such) is a little different from allowing a ship to do something when it shouldn't be able to do it at all. I agree that FFG should probably reverse the ruling or else errata the card to clarify, but it still doesn't really seem to relate to the "actions while stressed" situation to me.

4 minutes ago, JJ48 said:

Ah, I see. Still, I think allowing a ship to do something an additional, bonus time (even if not phrased as such) is a little different from allowing a ship to do something when it shouldn't be able to do it at all. I agree that FFG should probably reverse the ruling or else errata the card to clarify, but it still doesn't really seem to relate to the "actions while stressed" situation to me.

The point is, that ruling has set a precedent that unless a card specifically points out the normal restriction, then it is not bound by that restriction.

7 minutes ago, Lyianx said:

The point is, that ruling has set a precedent that unless a card specifically points out the normal restriction, then it is not bound by that restriction.

Personally, I think it's setting more of a precedent that FFG can make rulings that directly contradict the Rules, but perhaps we'll see a change to that section or an errata to the Paige Tico card in the next Rules Reference update, which I'm rather surprised hasn't appeared yet. The new sets introduced a bit of new material, and I thought a new Rules Reference would drop almost immediately.

Put it this way: Vader's ability doesn't say he can't use it it barrel roll 3 times in succession. According to the precedent set here, he can.

4 hours ago, JJ48 said:

Ah, I see. Still, I think allowing a ship to do something an additional, bonus time (even if not phrased as such) is a little different from allowing a ship to do something when it shouldn't be able to do it at all. I agree that FFG should probably reverse the ruling or else errata the card to clarify, but it still doesn't really seem to relate to the "actions while stressed" situation to me. 

The Paige RULING is not problematic - it's not like Resistance bombers will dominate everything - it's the stated REASONING behind that's completely bonkers.

7 hours ago, Green Knight said:

The Paige RULING is not problematic - it's not like Resistance bombers will dominate everything - it's the stated REASONING behind that's completely bonkers.

Oh agreed. I dont have a problem if they want them to specifically act that way, but they need to state that they can On their cards... not let them do it "because it doesnt say they cant".

Me an @Lyianx are going to be the Brothers Champions of this cause. I already got into a handful of unpleasant conversations because of the Paige-Deathfire ruling. As stated, the ability for those two pilots to do that is NOT the problem.

The problem is that in this ruling, FFG has officially now said, "Pilot Abilities supersede the Golden Rules unless the Pilot Ability also includes the Golden Rule" which opens up the floodgates for all kinds of mayhem (Tie Interceptor Autothrusters can now allow for multiple Barrel Rolls in a round, Any ability that grants an Action allows said action even while stressed, Ships can perform more than 1 Bonus attack if granted by an ability... dogs and cats living together...)

Look, I get that you dislike the Paige ruling.

But this is a thread about MANEUVERS. It isn't helpful here.

On 3/23/2019 at 5:30 PM, Lyianx said:

Unless of course you use the precedent set by the Paige Tico ruling and argue that "its not saying you Cant while stressed" /s

Those rulings are not precedent. They are arbitrary and shift with the whims of FFG and thus they should only be applied to the cards that they cover. One month they ruled you could use roark and han gunner together, the next month they ruled you couldn't even though nothing about those cards had changed rules-wise.