So i was just looking over the RR and L2P for 2E and I noticed the term 'primary attack' doesn't appear to be defined anywhere. Don't get me wrong the phrase is used several times, just never in a way to clarify what it is, only what it is not.

The reason I bring this up is because it raises the question as to whether or not bonus attacks with primary weapons still count as primary attacks

I believe a primary attack is one that is printed on the pilot card. Could be wrong though. Note that unless a card says otherwise, if you attack out of a given arc you can't attack out of that arc again that round.

4 minutes ago, sthej said:

I believe a primary attack is one that is printed on the pilot card. Could be wrong though. Note that unless a card says otherwise, if you attack out of a given arc you can't attack out of that arc again that round.

No. That only applies to Rebel Han gunner's turret arc and Veteran Turret Gunner firing with a turret arc and both state that limitation. You can perform bonus attacks out of the same standard arc...

Learn something new everyday. Was I at least right about primary attack?

17 minutes ago, sthej said:

Learn something new everyday. Was I at least right about primary attack?

Yes.

EG. A B-wing equips an ion cannon. BOTH fire out of it's front arc, BOTH have the range 1-3 fire range, but only the primary attack gains the +1 attack die when at Point blank.

55 minutes ago, LTuser said:

EG. A B-wing equips an ion cannon. BOTH fire out of it's front arc, BOTH have the range 1-3 fire range, but only the primary attack gains the +1 attack die when at Point blank.

no. cannons also get range bonuses. only ordnance (missiles, torpedoes) don't.

this is from the RR page 14.

PRIMARY WEAPON
Each ship has up to two primary weapons listed on its ship card. Each primary weapon has an arc symbol and a red attack value. During a ship’s attack, it chooses a weapon
to perform an attack with. If it performs an attack using a primary weapon, the attack value indicates how many attack dice it rolls during the Roll Attack Dice step and the arc
symbol indicates where the defender must be located.
• A primary weapon requires the attack range to be range 1–3 and has no cost by default.
• Since primary weapons are not special weapons, they do not benefit from abilities that trigger while performing a special attack.

i think it's pretty clear, even though the distinction between attacks and weapons could be better defined. it seems obvious and reasonable to assume a primary attack is an attack made with a primary weapon and a special attack is an attack made with a special weapon.

5 hours ago, LTuser said:

EG. A B-wing equips an ion cannon. BOTH fire out of it's front arc, BOTH have the range 1-3 fire range, but only the primary attack gains the +1 attack die when at Point blank.

In 2.0 Cannons and Turrets grant an extra green at range 3 and gain an extra red at range 1. Missiles and Torps still don't (signified by a little ordinance symbol, looks a bit like a profile of a real air to air missile, under the range on the upgrade card).

4 hours ago, meffo said:

i think it's pretty clear, even though the distinction between attacks and weapons could be better defined. it seems obvious and reasonable to assume a primary attack is an attack made with a primary weapon and a special attack is an attack made with a special weapon.

LTuser is playing 1.0 still so that is their frame of reference.

Yup. I was going off of the 1e manual..

16 hours ago, Orcdruid said:

I noticed the term 'primary attack' doesn't appear to be defined anywhere. 

That's because in 2E there are no such things as "Primary Attacks". Only attacks with "Primary Weapons".

1 hour ago, Lyianx said:

That's because in 2E there are no such things as "Primary Attacks". Only attacks with "Primary Weapons".

Read the Rules Ref explination for Special Weapons and the Predator talent some time...

2 hours ago, Hiemfire said:

Read the Rules Ref explination for Special Weapons and the Predator talent some time...

"Primary attack" isn't defined in the rules. Primary Weapon is..

RR pg 14

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PRIMARY WEAPON:
Each ship has up to two primary weapons listed on its ship card. Each primary weapon has an arc symbol and a red attack value. During a ship’s attack, it chooses a weapon to perform an attack with. If it performs an attack using a primary weapon, the attack value indicates how many attack dice it rolls during the Roll Attack Dice step and the arc symbol indicates where the defender must be located.

I suspect, they just neglected to add "weapon" when stating "primary weapon", carelessly using them interchangably. FFG isn't incapable of making errors afterall.
Also, read Crackshot

If they add a definition/reference in the book explaining what it is, then fine. But as it is, its a loose term that we are assuming it means "Primary Weapon Attack".

5 minutes ago, Lyianx said:

"Primary attack" isn't defined in the rules. Primary Weapon is..

RR pg 14

I suspect, they just neglected to add "weapon" when stating "primary weapon", carelessly using them interchangably. FFG isn't incapable of making errors afterall.
Also, read Crackshot

If they add a definition/reference in the book explaining what it is, then fine. But as it is, its a loose term that we are assuming it means "Primary Weapon Attack".

please don't be ridiculous. it's pretty clearly defined and it's used a lot. i will agree that it could be even clearer, but that would be overkill.



do you really need a list stating that attacks made with turrets are turret attacks, attacks made with weapons from ship cards are primary attacks, attacks made with cannons are cannon attacks, attacks made with missiles are missile attacks, attacks made with weapons from upgrade cards are special attacks etc. etc. and so on and so forth?

On 3/22/2019 at 6:03 PM, meffo said:

do you really need a list stating that attacks made with turrets are turret attacks, attacks made with weapons from ship cards are primary attacks, attacks made with cannons are cannon attacks, attacks made with missiles are missile attacks, attacks made with weapons from upgrade cards are special attacks etc. etc. and so on and so forth?

Yes. Why? Because as is it is unclear whether or not a bonus attack with a primary weapon is still considered a primary attack. This distinction matters for interactions like Paige Tico+ VTG on the starfortress.

While I agree that a reasonable assumption is that any attack with a primary weapon is a primary attack, assumptions are like sand, they're course, irritating and they get everywhere.

1 hour ago, Orcdruid said:

Yes. Why? Because as is it is unclear whether or not a bonus attack with a primary weapon is still considered a primary attack. This distinction matters for interactions like Paige Tico+ VTG on the starfortress.

While I agree that a reasonable assumption is that any attack with a primary weapon is a primary attack, assumptions are like sand, they're course, irritating and they get everywhere.

by fair assumption i mean it's blatantly obvious. either you attack with a primary weapon and that's a primary attack, or you attack with a secondary weapon and that's a special attack. of course it matters, but it's already very clear as well.

bonus attacks can be any kind of attacks, primary, primary turret, torpedo ordnance special, cannon bullseye special, missile ordnance turret special etc.. there are simply too many types of attacks and descriptions applicable to attacks for that kind of list to be meaningful.