Vader probaly the closest comparison to Anakin as they are the only i6 force users so who would you prefer in your squad:

(65) Darth Vader [TIE Advanced x1]
(3) Hate
(6) Afterburners
(2) Fire-Control System
Points: 76

Or

(60) Anakin Skywalker [Delta-7 Aethersprite]
(10) Calibrated Laser Targeting
(5) R4-P17
Points: 75

Total points: 75

Difference in stat lines are

Vader - +1 Shield

Anakin - Boost action/purple evade action.

Currently, I’d probably stick with Vader. Hate is nice, the synergy between the X1 ship ability and FCS is great, and Afterburners can really help when he needs to jet.

I do like the Calibrated Laser Targeting on Anakin, but you still have to make sure the bullseye is lined up for it.

This opinion may change after I get more Anakin time.

Vader by a country mile.

Old man vader is best vader

Thematically, Vader forever.

On the table, Anakin. Because ineffectually scooting around like a loon is what I do with aces.

Vader by a mile. Anakin is naff.

13 hours ago, thespaceinvader said:

Vader by a country mile.

In short, Anakin is wildly overpriced.

Looking at the costings of the quick build versus the regular, supernatural Anakin with Calibrated Lasers is 3 threat.

He's 102 points.

It's absurd.

(Supernatural being an absolute trap for anyone other than Luke notwithstanding)

I was a bit surprised how expensive Anakin is, but Calibrated Lasers for the 3rd dice (obviously an auto hit with force or an easily obtained focus), should be achievable often. Then he has plenty of force for that force evade action, essentially giving him a token stack on those 3/4 green dice. Easy access to multiple repositions at I6....

That base runs not too dear.

With multiple ways to enable him further, Palp, Ahsoka, most obviously, I think he'll do just fine.

He may struggle to justify the 7B config though.

Yeah Anakin is definitely overpriced. Just compare Anakin with 7B to Nien Numb

Anakin: I6, 3 Atk, 2 Def, 3 Hull, 3 Shields, Has a ship ability to do repo after a maneuver at the cost of Force, each Stress removed with his pilot ability costs a Force (but it can also work if the enemy is in Bullseye), more maneuverable dial

Cost: 78

Nien Numb: I5, 3 Atk, 2 Def, 4 Hull, 3 Shields, pilot ability is free but doesn't include bullseye arc beyond range 1, has a ship ability to mount a secondary weapon, doesn't have Barrel Roll without Servos.

Cost: 55

Is Anakin/7B really worth 23 more points than Numb? I don't think so. If Anakin's ability didn't cost a Force maybe. All of the Delta's besides Mace are going to have problems with running out of Force with all the ways to have to spend it. That's why I actually think Plo Koon is going to be one of the most popular pilots. He is I5, and he is relatively cheap because his Pilot ability is mostly useless. Which will have the side effect that his Force lasts longer. I said it before Plo Koon's ability really seems to be being an I5 Jedi that doesn't cost an arm and a leg. Even then he still seems expensive. I think all of the Delta's strike me as expensive, and the configs especially. Either they need to come down in price or the bade pilots do (maybe a little of both).

Compare Vader to Calibrated Anakin though:

Attack 2 with very easy access to a third, versus 2 with more difficult access to a third.

3 agility for both.

Actions broadly similar, Anakin gets better mobility at the cost of force, Vader doesn't get the stress clearance, but keeps access to Afterburners, and has an ability that's FAR more reliably useful, Anakin gets to ignore debris clouds, and k turn more safely, and gets purple evade which is pretty mediocre, but better than none at all. Anakin gets boost, which is huge - but can't take ABs.

Dials are very similar, trading the 1 turn for the 3, sloops for trolls, and an extra k turn, but the same greens.

Slots, Vader gets FCS which is awesome, Anakin gets droid which is... OK. There are some good ones, and one that goes very nicely with his ability, but none of them are outstandingly good options given his lack of any abiltiyto gain stress except by K turning.

Vader is 65. Calibrated Anakin is 70.

It's not even a close run thing.

E: oh, and I forgot the big one, vader getting an extra shield.

Sadly Republic seems DOA, the only pilots that seem correctly priced for them are I2 generic ARCs and Torrents, named clone pilots have meh abilities that they pay absurd amount of points for. Jedi are just sad, all their abilities burn through force tokens for very little gain and costs of configurations are simply absurd when combined with high base points.

It's a bummer because I have pre ordered them. They will need some serious point reductions during next update, I just don't see them being able to compete against other factions in this state.

Sinker is pretty solidly priced to be honest. +12 points for offensive rerolls is better than Howlrunner, albeit not working on himself.

I think they may have been too cautious with the costing on alot of the Republic stuff. Its kinda a no win situation for them. Under cost them and then up points and they will have hordes of people crying they released them knowing they were over powered just to sell models. Over cost them and the faction may die on the vine and there is no Obvious hotness to attract players into investing in a new faction. That said there are alot of interactions that have not been stress tested by the community and there might be some combos and such where suddenly a Palp backed Annakin reaches absurd 1.0 token stack levels and then we dont think hes over costed anymore.

Vader swarm is still valuable and I'm not so convenient to change anything for just now, especially for hyperspace purposes.

R4-P17? I'm putting R2 Astromech on my Anakin! Regen Anakin is probably not giving up his points.

In the meanwhile, I think I'm just tuning out any "Jedi are overpriced" arguments for the next two weeks. Maybe they are, but data certainly isn't in yet. I think the statline-based arguments are probably undervaluing the double movement actions on a full white dial.

1 minute ago, theBitterFig said:

R4-P17? I'm putting R2 Astromech on my Anakin! Regen Anakin is probably not giving up his points.

In the meanwhile, I think I'm just tuning out any "Jedi are overpriced" arguments for the next two weeks. Maybe they are, but data certainly isn't in yet. I think the statline-based arguments are probably undervaluing the double movement actions on a full white dial.

Yeah, the only thing we have to go on is suggestions like is the force on a Jedi knight worth 11 points compared to a x wing. R4-p17 was just the droid that made the most sense in the moment but r2 would probably work better. I also think the cheapness of the arc i2 pilot also helps fit these Jedi into a squad.

What bid is being used in meta lists these days with i5/i6 pilots?

10 minutes ago, K13R4N said:

Yeah, the only thing we have to go on is suggestions like is the force on a Jedi knight worth 11 points compared to a x wing. R4-p17 was just the droid that made the most sense in the moment but r2 would probably work better. I also think the cheapness of the arc i2 pilot also helps fit these Jedi into a squad.

What bid is being used in meta lists these days with i5/i6 pilots?

I don't think R4-P17 seems bad, though. Being able to correct a bad guess after dialing in a red move probably also has a lot of value for Anakin.

Speaking of cheap ARCs... 3x 104ths and Anakin with CLT and R2 fits without a bid. A lot of beef and a quick arc dodger.

39 minutes ago, theBitterFig said:

I don't think R4-P17 seems bad, though. Being able to correct a bad guess after dialing in a red move probably also has a lot of value for Anakin.

Speaking of cheap ARCs... 3x 104ths and Anakin with CLT and R2 fits without a bid. A lot of beef and a quick arc dodger.

This is going to be up there in as good as it gets, the problem with anakin costing so much means the other 100+ points (120+ with a cheap Anakin) needs to be a equal or bigger distraction then Anakin himself. Something like a Obi One with 7B title is a definite threat, add a 104th with Palp or seventh gunner.

1 hour ago, theBitterFig said:

R4-P17? I'm putting R2 Astromech on my Anakin! Regen Anakin is probably not giving up his points.

In the meanwhile, I think I'm just tuning out any "Jedi are overpriced" arguments for the next two weeks. Maybe they are, but data certainly isn't in yet. I think the statline-based arguments are probably undervaluing the double movement actions on a full white dial.

Absofreakinglutely.

And the double repositioning is being wildly overvalued when it comes at the cost of the force.

Compare the cost of the generic Jedi to the generic Phantom...

1 hour ago, thespaceinvader said:

And the double repositioning is being wildly overvalued when it comes at the cost of the force.

Compare the cost of the generic Jedi to the generic Phantom...

Depends how good you are at leveraging it.

As the local Striker and Interceptor expert, I feel confident in being able to leverage their ability. Because I’m creeping towards 75% win rate with a list consisting of 3 I1 Strikers, 2 I1 Interceptors, and a TIE. These look like the kind of unconventionally mobile piece I excel with. But most other people in my local largely ignore Strikers, and non Soontir Interceptors.

Mod course I also like Phantoms and do quite well with them too. But I fly all three ships very differently. I think Jedi will take some adjustment, but I look at their dial and reposition options and think ‘that looks potentially disgustingly good’. How much would you pay for a Soontir with a completely open dial, double repo at I6, and a shield? Because I see Anakin at his price and think ‘I can work with that’

4 hours ago, millertime059 said:

Depends how good you are at leveraging it.

I think Jedi will take some adjustment, but I look at their dial and reposition options and think ‘that looks potentially disgustingly good’. How much would you pay for a Soontir with a completely open dial, double repo at I6, and a shield? Because I see Anakin at his price and think ‘I can work with that’

This. Im basically looking at Anakin as super Soontir. Add a measure of force survivability and a full dial to Mr. Fel and you have kind of a monster.

Fel can be one shotted. Taking the force evade and falling back on the remaining force for a token stack on bad greens, plus that shield, you're going to have to mess up pretty bad to lose Anakin that way. You give up 36+ points, but if you can make that a positive trade, you might be laughing.

Running him cheap (ish) at 72 (ish, droid is negotiable) It will all depend so much on lining up the bullseye, but if you can consistently achieve it, he will be good. It will take a lot of firing arcs to pin him, which is why the other 60% of your list needs to hit like a truck and tank some fire. Fortunately, that also seems achievable.

Unless you want to joust with him for some reason. Then he really won't be good.

Literally the only thing that makes me think he may turn out to be too expensive is the lack of a 3 hard. That's pretty major and genuinely does make me pull a sour face. The lack of it will affect his ability to get in and do damage, rather than just skipping arc and dragging the game into notsogood places.

Edit. I would definitely agree that anything over 80/85 is too much. But that's in the Comfigs, the 7B certainly seems well overcosted on him. SNR is obviously not even worth looking at on I6 but I can't see any adding value beyond just keeping the force point. Most droids also add too many points tbh.

Saying all that, I intend to fly Plo 1st....

5 hours ago, thespaceinvader said:

And the double repositioning is being wildly overvalued when it comes at the cost of the force.

Compare the cost of the generic Jedi to the generic Phantom...

I mean, maybe. But I think it merits folks flying them or a week or two to be sure.

And as to Phantom Comparisons, you've got an extra shield, which is worth half the distance. Meanwhile, the Phantom's chain of Evade/Cloak/Decloak/Repeat provides great action economy until it breaks, until you have to spend the evade, until you're stressed. The Aethersprite's force will be with you, always. You can spend it like a calculate, you can spend it for a movement action, you'll have it when you pull a red move, and you'll get it back while stressed.

It's entirely possible that these things got over-corrected after reputedly being strong in playtesting, that the adjustment went too far, and that they're too weak. However, they priced a generic Jedi at 39 *after* they lowered the TIE/v1 to 38, and so apparently they didn't think it was worse. Pricing from FFG is sometimes a little woowoo handwavey, but I'm willing to give it the benefit of the doubt for, as I said, like two weeks for the general X-Wing community to fly them. I think it's worth not leaping to conclusions.

13 hours ago, millertime059 said:

Depends how good you are at leveraging it.

As the local Striker and Interceptor expert, I feel confident in being able to leverage their ability. Because I’m creeping towards 75% win rate with a list consisting of 3 I1 Strikers, 2 I1 Interceptors, and a TIE. These look like the kind of unconventionally mobile piece I excel with. But most other people in my local largely ignore Strikers, and non Soontir Interceptors.

Mod course I also like Phantoms and do quite well with them too. But I fly all three ships very differently. I think Jedi will take some adjustment, but I look at their dial and reposition options and think ‘that looks potentially disgustingly good’. How much would you pay for a Soontir with a completely open dial, double repo at I6, and a shield? Because I see Anakin at his price and think ‘I can work with that’

With two attack dice? Not much. 2e soontir is monumentally fragile and Anakin is if anything worse in terms of splattability.

18 hours ago, theBitterFig said:

R4-P17? I'm putting R2 Astromech on my Anakin! Regen Anakin is probably not giving up his points.

In the meanwhile, I think I'm just tuning out any "Jedi are overpriced" arguments for the next two weeks. Maybe they are, but data certainly isn't in yet. I think the statline-based arguments are probably undervaluing the double movement actions on a full white dial.

Pretty sure 7B R2 Anakin is going to cause people more problems than they initially expected. Cheaper than Rexler, almost as tough and maneuverable, and beats Kylo in every area except speed and agility (but then again, 1-banks and evade). If you have the points you could even stick Console on him and have him hand out locks to your I2 Conc Vultures.