Just going to say this for all the people in the back. Base stats and not upgrade-adjusted stats are used, per the rules reference (RR, FAQ/List Building, p. 23)

Q: If a ship equips an upgrade that alters one of its values (such as agility), how does this affect variable cost upgrades?

A: Other upgrades are ignored when calculating variable costs, and the base values of the ship are used.

So, despite the fact that 7B is basically a different ship, there are some notable differences

• Anything with cost that scales up with agi is worse, and probably not worth it, on a 7B (SU, Brilliant Evasion, etc)
  • OTOH, you cant even run SU with Calibrate Laser Targeting (mod slot filled)
• Does any thing upgrade become a better deal for 7B than for a 7?

39 minutes ago, prauxim said:

Does any thing become a better deal for 7B than for a 7?

The ship itself? Im going to have to run it a little to see which of them I prefer...

2 minutes ago, The Penguin UK said:

The ship itself? Im going to have to run it a little to see which of them I prefer...

Meant upgrade. As far as the ship, yeah, that'll be something to figure out

14 minutes ago, prauxim said:

Meant upgrade. As far as the ship, yeah, that'll be something to figure out

I mean, the ship gets better with the upgrade - true or false? I have no idea.


Oh, never mind - I misunderstood what you were saying. Although my point about the upgrade being good or bad is still true

1 hour ago, prauxim said:

So, despite the fact that 7B is basically a different ship, there are some notable differences

• Anything with cost that scales up with agi is worse, and probably not worth it, on a 7B (SU, Brilliant Evasion, etc)
  • OTOH, you cant even run SU with Calibrate Laser Targeting (mod slot filled)
• Does any thing upgrade become a better deal for 7B than for a 7?

SU = Shield Upgrade or Stealth Upgrade?

1 hour ago, prauxim said:

Meant upgrade. As far as the ship, yeah, that'll be something to figure out

R2 astro, sort of.

4 minutes ago, Okapi said:

R2 astro, sort of.

I dunno. R2 Astromech is kinda more appealing to me on a 3-agility ship which is less likely to take damage. A "budget" Anakin with Calibrated Laser Targeting and R2 seems like he could hit pretty hard, and also be fairly unlikely to give up his "mere" 74 points.

17 hours ago, theBitterFig said:

I dunno. R2 Astromech is kinda more appealing to me on a 3-agility ship which is less likely to take damage. A "budget" Anakin with Calibrated Laser Targeting and R2 seems like he could hit pretty hard, and also be fairly unlikely to give up his "mere" 74 points.

Yeah, a shield is worth more the stronger your defense is. R2 on CLT Ani should be good, maybe R5 on lower Ini, esp with Battle Meditation shenanigans

18 hours ago, Hiemfire said:

SU = Shield Upgrade or Stealth Upgrade?

You mean Stealth Device?

I mean, SD goes along similar lines as SU for the context of discussion, but kinda irrelevant since nobody ever runs it because of the feelsbadman potential

1 minute ago, prauxim said:

You mean Stealth Device?

I mean, SD goes along similar lines as SU for the context of discussion, but kinda irrelevant since nobody ever runs it because of the feelsbadman potential

Aye... My brain jumbles device and upgrade at times it seems. Try it (SD) on Quinn Jast sometime, makes her as hard to pin down if not harder than Talonbane, and she keeps it ticking.