And still no **** pictures!

It's interesting they put the spare parts canister in the squad pack and not in the Aethersprite pack. It would have made sense that you got the single copy in the expansion pack like everything else. I guess maybe they figured everyone would be buying 20 Aethersprites anyway, so that expansion didn't need a carrot.

4 minutes ago, Captain Lackwit said:

And still no **** pictures!

A guy has to work to afford these ships! Seriously, there wasn't a single thing that doesn't already have a better picture in the preview articles. The only thing you'll see from the contents list is how many cards (and tokens) you're going to get that you already have. There will be a lot of: "Did I really need three more copies of Stealth Device and dozens of charge tokens! There was plenty of room for buzz droids!"

@dadocollin, I just want to know what the quickbuilds in CIS are, as I haven’t seen those posted anywhere yet. Very curious what the threat levels for ... well, everything! ... are. Even a text summary would be greatly appreciated!

10 minutes ago, PaulRuddSays said:

@dadocollin, I just want to know what the quickbuilds in CIS are, as I haven’t seen those posted anywhere yet. Very curious what the threat levels for ... well, everything! ... are. Even a text summary would be greatly appreciated!

I don't have them with me, but I think I remember two off the top of my head since I was building some lists last night to try tonight.

The only level 1 threat on any of the cards from either faction was:

(1) Trade Federation Drone with Energy Shell Charges

I believe all the other vultures (with upgrades) were at level 2. I believe this was the other one I picked:

(3) Separatist Drone with Energy Shell Charges, Grappling Struts, Shield Upgrade

36 minutes ago, AllWingsStandyingBy said:

Yeah, hence the "no surprise there" attitude, especially with the Seventh Fleet Gunner.

Still, not putting Discord Missiles into the Sep Squadron Pack was kind of a d*** move by FFG, as they easily could have included one or two copies there.

They wanted to force you to buy both expansions and the squad pack. Otherwise, no incentive to not buy the big pack for the cheaper per dollar ships.

1 minute ago, ScummyRebel said:

They wanted to force you to buy both expansions and the squad pack. Otherwise, no incentive to not buy the big pack for the cheaper per dollar ships.

Different pilots too, I believe? At least one or two? But agreed, can't make it the same - wouldn't be worth it for most of us.

2 minutes ago, ScummyRebel said:

They wanted to force you to buy both expansions and the squad pack. Otherwise, no incentive to not buy the big pack for the cheaper per dollar ships.

Yea, I'm not saying I don't understand the decision. Just that I don't like the decision.

No one is going to comment on the potential for eight, 3 dice attacks that don’t need to fly in formation? Really?

2 minutes ago, PaulRuddSays said:

No one is going to comment on the potential for eight, 3 dice attacks that don’t need to fly in formation? Really?

It may not be reality, but it doesn't seem crazy to me that the cheapest vulture would be 20 pts. and the shells are 5 pts. I think the real points for 8 drones with shells will be over 200, but we'll see. (Let's also remember the ship limit is still 8, so you couldn't fly 10 drones without upgrades legally, but in EPIC...)

6 minutes ago, PaulRuddSays said:

No one is going to comment on the potential for eight, 3 dice attacks that don’t need to fly in formation? Really?

Init 1, 2 green, 3 hull, no shields, no struts, requires an action to enable, and it is 3 dice every other turn (single charge that is recharged via an action on the upgrade itself) after the first engagement at best... Without support elements (IE Kracken). Lets see it on the table..

Its wait and see, It is possible that 8 3 dice attacks will be possible. But it is dependent on all 8 ships getting calculate(they can be blocked) and having ARC. Its also worth noting that it has a substantial cool down and cost in the form of once you get the initial shot off, you have to spend an Action to recover the charge and then another action to get Calculate back up to be able to fire it again. So 8 3 red attacks and then a reload turn where your action is to reload and your wont have calculates for defense and such. Its not gonna be a sustained 8 3 Red attack. If you keep pressure on them it will be a toss up on calculating for defense/offense or risking the reload option with only 2 agility and 3 hull meaning alot of ships getting off a decent shot can pop you. Its far more likely its a One off in the initial joust and then maybe 1 or 2 of them will sustain the energy shell barrage buy reloading as their action and then getting a calculate action from a coordinating support ship. its also worth mentioning that the Vultures are fragile enough and generally appear to be low PS enough that its not crazy talk to lose one or two of them to higher PS squads before they ever get a chance to fire.

Its also hard to tell as we don't know cost for the ships or the energy shells. Granted the DEV fueled hype from the stream of Vultures being the new cheapest ship in the game and the fact that energy shells cant cost that much because they are only good in the context of Vultures means I think its very likely that 8 Vultures with energy shells is probably a viable build points wise. I am starting to think the Seps may be the reason the 2.0 rules have a HARD MAX of 8 ships in a list, as 8 Energy shell Vultures with a coordinating support ship or 2 may have been possible points wise and a little too ugly.

29 minutes ago, PaulRuddSays said:

No one is going to comment on the potential for eight, 3 dice attacks that don’t need to fly in formation? Really?

They will drop faster than Ties and Z-95s, so I'm not that afraid of them. They will be quite an annoyance though. I could imagine a pair of Energy Shell Vultures flanking and then acting like a Biggs of sorts along the lines of Pure Sabaac or Wampa. You either shoot them or eat 6 red dice for roughly 1/4 of the cost of a list.

Its also worth noting that with higher PS if you attack the Reloaded Calculated Vultures on the follow up turns you may be able to shut down the Energy shells just by attacking it and forcing to spend its calculate to live. Granted networked calculations is a thing for Vultures but only so many calculates can be in the list and in range.

15 hours ago, outerrimrebel said:

Thank you, it's what I figured they were going to do. No sense in buying the Vulture pack if it's in the SoS pack.

11 hours ago, Force Majeure said:

Just one copy of discord missiles? Dang.

1 hour ago, AllWingsStandyingBy said:

1 Discord only in the Vulture Expansion? 1 Seventh Fleet Gunner in the ARC Pack?

No surprises there, but "UGH..."

1 hour ago, PanchoX1 said:

planning on picking up 3-4 Vulture Droids.

1 hour ago, AllWingsStandyingBy said:

Yeah, hence the "no surprise there" attitude, especially with the Seventh Fleet Gunner.

Still, not putting Discord Missiles into the Sep Squadron Pack was kind of a d*** move by FFG, as they easily could have included one or two copies there.

You guys realize you can only bring 3 Discord Missiles in one list, right?

54 minutes ago, Hiemfire said:

Init 1, 2 green, 3 hull, no shields, no struts, requires an action to enable, and it is 3 dice every other turn (single charge that is recharged via an action on the upgrade itself) after the first engagement at best... Without support elements (IE Kracken). Lets see it on the table..

Yes.. but on the other hand, that’s a lot of alpha potential when you negate range bonuses on the opening shot. And you shouldn’t be flying in formation, so I’m not sure what follow up shots might look like.

Edit: I’m not saying it’s good, but I am saying I’m not sure it’s bad.

56 minutes ago, SpiderMana said:

You guys realize you can only bring 3 Discord Missiles in one list, right?

yup. that's why I'll be picking up at least 3 vulture droids. but if they are fun beyond discord/buzz, then I'll get one or so more. Then there is the Adepticon exclusive.....

22 minutes ago, PanchoX1 said:

yup. that's why I'll be picking up at least 3 vulture droids. but if they are fun beyond discord/buzz, then I'll get one or so more. Then there is the Adepticon exclusive.....

Yeah I have 2 regular standalones on preorder... really hoping the Adepticon one comes with a Discord Missile so I don’t have to pick up an odd number of Trade Federation paintjobs 😂

And hey, if the Adepticon one has the Discord Missile and they let me buy 2, then I’ll have an extra Discord Missile I can give to someone 😂

4 minutes ago, SpiderMana said:

Yeah I have 2 regular standalones on preorder... really hoping the Adepticon one comes with a Discord Missile so I don’t have to pick up an odd number of Trade Federation paintjobs 😂

And hey, if the Adepticon one has the Discord Missile and they let me buy 2, then I’ll have an extra Discord Missile I can give to someone 😂

It is the same as the normal single Vulture pack other than the paint job on the mini.

19 hours ago, millertime059 said:

Good for casual games then. Ah, was optimistic, but not surprising. Hey FFG you got like 75% of the way there, two more pilot cards is all I ask 😁

“But that would confuse new players who don’t already have a legacy model!”

1 hour ago, SpiderMana said:

You guys realize you can only bring 3 Discord Missiles in one list, right?

Oops. Your're right! I guess my excitement for the faction clouded my memory. Thanks for the reminder.

2 hours ago, SpiderMana said:

You guys realize you can only bring 3 Discord Missiles in one list, right?

Right, and if you would have been included 2x in the Squadron Pack, one Squadron Pack and one Expansion Vulture would have given you the three you needed.

But now, if you want to run three, you have to buy 3x Expansion Pack Vultures, meaning unless your list wants to be running Five Vultures, the two vultures in the Squadron Pack are pointless.

58 minutes ago, SpiderMana said:

And hey, if the Adepticon one has the Discord Missile and they let me buy 2, then I’ll have an extra Discord Missile I can give to someone

well, if they let you buy 3, think of me, wont you? Pretty please?

Otherwise, I'll be hoping the ebay price isn't ridiculous.

15 minutes ago, AllWingsStandyingBy said:

Right, and if you would have been included 2x in the Squadron Pack, one Squadron Pack and one Expansion Vulture would have given you the three you needed.

But now, if you want to run three, you have to buy 3x Expansion Pack Vultures, meaning unless your list wants to be running Five Vultures, the two vultures in the Squadron Pack are pointless.

If you honestly want to run the three discord missiles and only three vultures, then maybe consider not getting the SOS pack? Idk, I just don’t think it’s such a terrible thing for people who want to buy multiples of things to not have obscene amounts of cards beyond what they can put in a list.

9 minutes ago, PanchoX1 said:

well, if they let you buy 3, think of me, wont you? Pretty please?

Depends on whether I have any friends around here that are interested, otherwise shoot me a PM and I’ll let you know

Points are up in the app. The cheapest vulture is indeed 20 points, with the energy shells at 4 only.

The Delta-7B configuration is 16 points, so a double shield upgrade essentially.

EDIT: The Delta-7B upgrade is actually scaled in points by initiative value from 15 for Ahsoka up to 18 for Anakin.