I have a heavy in a new campaign I started him out with three brawn. Now 30xp later he already has two burlys, meaning he can wield weapons with a cumbersome of five. My problem is that I am going to get another burly and another brawn from power armor, but no weapon I have seen goes above cumbersome five, so by the time I can wield weapons with a cumbersome of seven two of my burlys will be mostly useless.

Does anyone have an idea of how to utilize the ability to wield higher than cumbersome five weapons?

Save yourself 30 xp and just do brawn 2

Use a starship weapon. Auto-Blasters work great. You can also put a hunting barrel on a heavy repeating blaster and see how that works out.

Under-barrel attachments such as grenade launchers, missile tubes, and flame projectors all increase Cumbersome, by 2 IIRC. That means an HOB with an under-barrel missile tube is Cumbersome 7.

10 hours ago, Darthzader2187 said:

Use a starship weapon. Auto-Blasters work great. You can also put a hunting barrel on a heavy repeating blaster and see how that works out.

My GM said I could use an Auto-Blaster, but it would be cumbersome 7 and encumbrance 20. The cumbersome 7 didn't bother me but the encumbrance 20 made it seem impossible to wield until I found the repulsar lift armor mod. If it works out that is definitely what I'll do.

34 minutes ago, HeMandolorian said:

My GM said I could use an Auto-Blaster, but it would be cumbersome 7 and encumbrance 20.

Encumbrance 20?!

@HeMandolorian

First off, Burly doesn't just lower the Cumbersome rating of a weapon, it also lowers it's Encumbrance.

Second, there is a weapon in Dangerous Covenants that has Cumbersome 6 (the SoroSuub HOB Heavy Repeating Blaster, DC pg. 42/44).

Cheers!

6 hours ago, RLogue177 said:

Encumbrance 20?!

I thought it was too high but maybe not.

@HeMandolorian

Actually, giving an Autoblaster only Enc 20 would be unbalanced.

Look up the Atgar SpaceDefense 1.8 FD Autoturret, ( Forged In Battle pg. 42/45).

It is a personal scale weapon that does 17 Damage and has an Encumbrance of 25, and has Slow-firing 1 and Limited Ammo 8.

An Autoblaster does vehicle-scale damage (i.e.: it's "3" damage is "30" in personal scale).

Completely unreasonable to only have it at 20 Enc.

10 hours ago, HeMandolorian said:

I thought it was too high but maybe not.

Honestly, it's probably too low.

It needs a minimum of a Sil 2 vehicle to mount it, so as a GM I wouldn't care how many ranks of burly or what brawn score you had unless your PCs was a Sil 2 creature, and quite possibly, not even then. If I was in a generous mood, I'd let you mount one on a bantha or something.

On 3/17/2019 at 7:59 AM, penpenpen said:

Honestly, it's probably too low.

It needs a minimum of a Sil 2 vehicle to mount it, so as a GM I wouldn't care how many ranks of burly or what brawn score you had unless your PCs was a Sil 2 creature, and quite possibly, not even then. If I was in a generous mood, I'd let you mount one on a bantha or something.

There is a silhouette 2 player option: the Dowutins.

On 3/16/2019 at 11:10 AM, Darthzader2187 said:

Use a starship weapon. Auto-Blasters work great. You can also put a hunting barrel on a heavy repeating blaster and see how that works out.

"A hunting barrel can only be used on a blaster rifle."

So no, that would not work.

On 3/17/2019 at 8:59 AM, penpenpen said:

Honestly, it's probably too low.

It needs a minimum of a Sil 2 vehicle to mount it, so as a GM I wouldn't care how many ranks of burly or what brawn score you had unless your PCs was a Sil 2 creature, and quite possibly, not even then. If I was in a generous mood, I'd let you mount one on a bantha or something.

auto blasters do require sil 2 but there is a vehicle (the Ubrikkian Industries Talon 1 Combat Car) in the FaD Core Rule Book that has a twin heavy blaster cannon on it which requires 3 sil, so if FFG breaks their own rule it should make sense that it could be possible for us to break it as well.

On 3/17/2019 at 7:13 AM, salamar_dree said:

@HeMandolorian

Actually, giving an Autoblaster only Enc 20 would be unbalanced.

Look up the Atgar SpaceDefense 1.8 FD Autoturret, ( Forged In Battle pg. 42/45).

It is a personal scale weapon that does 17 Damage and has an Encumbrance of 25, and has Slow-firing 1 and Limited Ammo 8.

An Autoblaster does vehicle-scale damage (i.e.: it's "3" damage is "30" in personal scale).

Completely unreasonable to only have it at 20 Enc.

an auto TURRET would be really heavy to carry because you would be carrying an entire turret not just the gun. I think an auto blaster might be lighter because I would only be carrying a gun and a power supply, so somewhere around 20 encumbrance makes sense to me.

I don't have the tree in front of me but maybe the best answer is to see if you can skip past some of the earlier instances of Burly.

But keep in mind if the Bonus you get is for Power Armor you won't always have the Armor so...also maybe better to spend the cash on other armor mods.

1 hour ago, HeMandolorian said:

auto blasters do require sil 2 but there is a vehicle (the Ubrikkian Industries Talon 1 Combat Car) in the FaD Core Rule Book that has a twin heavy blaster cannon on it which requires 3 sil, so if FFG breaks their own rule it should make sense that it could be possible for us to break it as well.

That still doesn't make a brawn 3 PC a vehicle. Don't treat it as an excuse to break common sense.

1 hour ago, penpenpen said:

That still doesn't make a brawn 3 PC a vehicle. Don't treat it as an excuse to break common sense.

I don't expect that a brawn 3 pc can simply wield it, but maybe with 3 burlys and power armor with the repulsar lift mod It's possible that he could wield it.

I don't really see how a very strong person with modified power armor lifting a really big gun breaks common sense.

3 hours ago, HeMandolorian said:

an auto TURRET would be really heavy to carry because you would be carrying an entire turret not just the gun. I think an auto blaster might be lighter because I would only be carrying a gun and a power supply, so somewhere around 20 encumbrance makes sense to me.

Just give the turret droid legs it can carry itself. Like those chairs the Neimoidians ride around on. https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Mechno-chair

@HeMandolorian

It's still a matter of scale.

No character should be able to carry around and use a vehicle scale weapon.

Autoturret does 17 points of personal scale damage, plus 1 point per Success.

The Autoblaster does 3 points of vehicle scale damage. Thats 30 points of personal scale damage, plus 10 points per Success.

As a GM, I would never allow it.

I might make an entirely new personal scale weapon for your character, but not hand you a weapon with that kind of damage.

An Autoblaster is probably the volume and mass of a Harley Davidson motorcycle (the big ones).

Is anyone going to lug that around?

13 minutes ago, Eoen said:

Just give the turret droid legs it can carry itself. Like those chairs the Neimoidians ride around on. https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Mechno-chair

I thought about getting a mech suit with an auto-blaster on it and calling it a vehicle.

1 minute ago, HeMandolorian said:

I thought about getting a mech suit with an auto-blaster on it and calling it a

Getting into Anime or Iron Man territory. A Landmate in Appleseed comes to mind.

2 minutes ago, salamar_dree said:

An Autoblaster is probably the volume and mass of a Harley Davidson motorcycle (the big ones).

Is anyone going to lug that around?

Some auto blasters are not that big I would think a good portion of the weight would be in the power supply.

1 minute ago, Eoen said:

Getting into Anime or Iron Man territory.

I was the one who wanted to wield without the mech suit in the first place.

It just seems easier and better to play as a mech driver. You become way tougher and just as easy to hit most people. (unless they are silhouette 0)

1 minute ago, HeMandolorian said:

Some auto blasters are not that big I would think a good portion of the weight would be in the power supply.

Don't stock military speeders carry autoblasters? It probably doesn't weigh as much as a Harley, more like a 20mm canon on a tank.