How do you deal with failure? We talk about our dealings with the F word and how to cope.
I shake my fist at the sky and curse Dewback Scout because I know he must have been working behind the scenes to bring about my loss.
Great episode.
I think another thing that wasn't touched on was the fact that you need to separate your sense of self worth from the game (or gaming in general). That is how you avoid ruminating on losses and beating yourself up in an unhealthy way.
Your identity isn't "I'm a person who is good at Legion." If it is, then every loss feels like a personal insult or attack on that identity
It should be "I am a good person. I play Legion." This way you can dispassionately analyze tactics and mistakes without getting your ego in the way. And really, you can apply that to any game, or any hobby or sport or anything in your life.
I actually enjoy challenging myself to lose if I am on a hot winning streak with X-wing or Legion. Switching up my list to something that is outside of my comfort zone.
11 minutes ago, TauntaunScout said:I shake my fist at the sky and curse Dewback Scout because I know he must have been working behind the scenes to bring about my loss.
@TauntaunScout and @DewbackScout, truly one of the greatest iconic hero/villain rivalries of our time
25 minutes ago, KommanderKeldoth said:Great episode.
I think another thing that wasn't touched on was the fact that you need to separate your sense of self worth from the game (or gaming in general). That is how you avoid ruminating on losses and beating yourself up in an unhealthy way.
Your identity isn't "I'm a person who is good at Legion." If it is, then every loss feels like a personal insult or attack on that identity
It should be "I am a good person. I play Legion." This way you can dispassionately analyze tactics and mistakes without getting your ego in the way. And really, you can apply that to any game, or any hobby or sport or anything in your life.
I actually enjoy challenging myself to lose if I am on a hot winning streak with X-wing or Legion. Switching up my list to something that is outside of my comfort zone.
I mostly play games at home vs family.
Once went to play a WW2 game (flames of War) at a local club. I kinda knew the rules but hadnt actually played it. It was meant to be an introductory game.
In hindsight..theplayer showing me how to play picked a scenario and table that 100% suited his side to win...and I know for sure he cheated a few rules to make sure he won.
I enjoyed the game...I lost but I enjoyed it. For me I was happy to be part of a battle where my stalwart Germans were overrun....a scenario which happened plenty in the actual war so im happy to be part of that.
Never went back though.
2 hours ago, VAYASAN said:I mostly play games at home vs family.
Once went to play a WW2 game (flames of War) at a local club. I kinda knew the rules but hadnt actually played it. It was meant to be an introductory game.
In hindsight..theplayer showing me how to play picked a scenario and table that 100% suited his side to win...and I know for sure he cheated a few rules to make sure he won.
I enjoyed the game...I lost but I enjoyed it. For me I was happy to be part of a battle where my stalwart Germans were overrun....a scenario which happened plenty in the actual war so im happy to be part of that.
Never went back though.
When I teach people Legion I usually hand them a list that is strong against mine (Luke vs. Veers playing recover the supplies or something) so that I can play hard but still give them a shot at winning.
I don't believe in letting new players win, but I also don't want to utterly crush them since I have more experience with the rules.
4 minutes ago, KommanderKeldoth said:When I teach people Legion I usually hand them a list that is strong against mine (Luke vs. Veers playing recover the supplies or something) so that I can play hard but still give them a shot at winning.
I don't believe in letting new players win, but I also don't want to utterly crush them since I have more experience with the rules.
I dont mind anyone playing hard....actually fiddling the setup and rules against a new player was a step too far for me 😀
The positive role models of my childhood mean that I deal with failure by cursing at Starscream or Beastman, whichever is closest. I always tell them they've failed me for the last time but I always let them back in on my plans: there's no-one to blame but myself.
Actually, if replace 'Starscream' with 'T-47' and 'Beastman' with 'black dice' that's pretty accurate...
1 hour ago, KommanderKeldoth said:When I teach people Legion I usually hand them a list that is strong against mine (Luke vs. Veers playing recover the supplies or something) so that I can play hard but still give them a shot at winning.
I don't believe in letting new players win, but I also don't want to utterly crush them since I have more experience with the rules.
This reminds me of something in sports training. When you are like 30:1 against some sucky small town team in the last inning/quarter/whatever, it's time to try a bunch of really advanced stuff that you'll probably fail at. It lets you practice new skills against a moving target, and gives them the chance to get a couple points.
Jocko Willink has several books out that can help people with this. Overall, his theme is personal accountability or, as he puts it, extreme ownership. Stop blaming the dice and own your mistakes. Learn from your failures. if there's an objective, condition or deployment card i dislike, I force myself to play it, instead of cutting it. Its hard, trust me. I want to blame everyone and everything but me for losing a game, but in the end i should only blame myself and learn from it.
3 hours ago, Thalandar said:I want to blame everyone and everything but me for losing a game, but in the end i should only blame myself and learn from it
Maybe, sometimes, you were perfect?
"It is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life."
Jean-Luc Picard
4 hours ago, Katarn said:
Maybe, sometimes, you were perfect?
"It is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life."
Jean-Luc Picard
There was once an Ottoman sultan, I believe it was, who lost some half his army is a disastrous battle. In the nick of time, reinforcements arrived, which panicked the enemy who were then completely destroyed. As he surveyed the field after, with some 50% casualties on one side and near 100% casualties on the other, he said "If this is a victory, may God never grant me another."
1 hour ago, TauntaunScout said:There was once an Ottoman sultan, I believe it was, who lost some half his army is a disastrous battle. In the nick of time, reinforcements arrived, which panicked the enemy who were then completely destroyed. As he surveyed the field after, with some 50% casualties on one side and near 100% casualties on the other, he said "If this is a victory, may God never grant me another."
Pyrrhus of Epirus knew something about that XD
I hope most people lean from their mistakes, as long as the winner doesn't rub it in or degrade the loser. Therefore, I don't mine losing if I learned something and had fun in the process.
The best way to react to a Star Wars failure is to move to the most out of the way place you can, and hide for decades.
I like to play by old school Navy rules...first person to die...loses!!!
On 3/13/2019 at 3:17 PM, KommanderKeldoth said:@TauntaunScout and @DewbackScout, truly one of the greatest iconic hero/villain rivalries of our time
There is no rivalry, only the eternal victory of Dewbacks over Tauntauns.
On 3/13/2019 at 3:02 PM, TauntaunScout said:I shake my fist at the sky and curse Dewback Scout because I know he must have been working behind the scenes to bring about my loss.
Search your feelings ... you know it to be true.
On 3/13/2019 at 8:17 PM, KommanderKeldoth said:@TauntaunScout and @DewbackScout, truly one of the greatest iconic hero/villain rivalries of our time
Watch next episode, where they are forced to put their differences aside and cooperate to check the ravages of @RancorScout.
1 hour ago, aniron said:Watch next episode, where they are forced to put their differences aside and cooperate to check the ravages of @RancorScout.
That would be a badass heavy support unit for a scum faction
5 hours ago, aniron said:Watch next episode, where they are forced to put their differences aside and cooperate to check the ravages of @RancorScout.
We might have to find BanthaScout to deal with this one.
On 3/15/2019 at 2:11 AM, aniron said:Watch next episode, where they are forced to put their differences aside and cooperate to check the ravages of @RancorScout.
I'll do anything to stop Rancor Scout. There is no curse in Elvish, Entish or the tongues of men for a planet full of witches using "magick" on rancors. More than even the prequels, these made me reject the notion of a canon. A planet of friendly, sentient rancors is like something that happens when you let your little brother be the GM. Yet it was somehow licensed and approved.
On 3/15/2019 at 7:39 AM, DewbackScout said:We might have to find BanthaScout to deal with this one.
I'm calling a meeting of the five families.
Edited by TauntaunScout1 minute ago, TauntaunScout said:I'm calling a meeting of the five families.
NexuScout's on holiday, unfortunately.
One COULD just remember it's a science-fiction game played with toy soldiers and simply... move along.
Mebbe buy a big safety pin to wear.
I could write a book about this topic, not going to though. To simplify it, do your best to understand it isn't personal no matter how competitive you are especially since its a 1v1... that's a 50% chance of win/loss right from the start. No matter where you stand in that 50%, one of you had to lose while one had to win. Rarely it could of been a draw but it wasn't and overall shouldn't.
"Losing" isn't losing at all, even more so in this game when it's 1v1 and 1 of the 2 had lose unless it was a draw. Instead every game even if winning is still a learning tryout. Regardless of win or loss, if you somehow didn't learn what not to do next time & what to do next time, then that is a loss all by itself. Even in winning if you don't learn what to and not to do then you aren't improving yourself which is a loss.. especially in the delusion attempting to think whatever army build you made is ever winning and doesn't need to adapt or play different.
If you truly learn and study each game even in loss you are greatly improving yourself to the point of winning more often. No matter what don't cave or give in, just learn and improve. Be mindful of everything, what you use, how you use it, what the opponent could and does use, and how they could or do use it. etc etc. A book could be written about this topic but it is a waste on a delusional matter. When it comes down to it, not a single person is ever going to always win. And, if you lose and think you have anything less than a chance of being the next world champ then you are so very wrong it is sick. Win and lose both don't matter and do, while the main aspect to it is what you get and learn from it, from each game.
Remove the ego, and add everything else. Look at it as a martial artist, or anything for that matter... in the start are you seriously thinking you are impervious when you don't know literally everything and mastered everything!? That's interesting. Even the Master can't win always, why would someone not a master!?
Why did you even start playing this game!? It's star wars, it's to be competitive, it's to just have fun.... so many reasons yet why let loses take that away? All and any game isn't about that, and if it is it shouldn't ever be played cause everyone loses even the winner. Only the winner wins but ultimately is the only one left since no one wants to play cause they didn't win. That's not what this is about.
personally, in the games I was #1 in the world in, I didn't start out the best or in a winning streak. Yet through the first however many losses I learned the game in a way I didn't understand prior which lead me to become thee best over time. All of world champions and best at anything I'm very sure have similar things to say, don't give up instead learn, endure, and improve.
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