Worlds? (382/400)
Empire

Commander: Darth Vader

Objectives: Advanced Gunnery, Dangerous Territory, Contested Outpost

[flagship] Imperial Star Destroyer Cymoon 1 Refit (112)
- Darth Vader (36)
- Relentless (3)
- Electronic Counter Measures (7)
- Intensify Firepower! (6)
- Minister Tua (2)
- XI7 Turbolasers (6)
- Spinal Armament (9)
- Gunnery Team (7)
= 188 total points

Imperial Star Destroyer Kuat Refit (112)
- Electronic Counter Measures (7)
- Hardened Bulkheads (5)
- Strategic Adviser (4)
- Assault Proton Torpedoes (5)
- Gunnery Team (7)
= 140 total points

Gozanti-class Cruisers (23)
- Suppressor (4)
- Comms Net (2)
= 29 total points

Gozanti-class Cruisers (23)
- Comms Net (2)
= 25 total points

You don't want Advanced Gunnery as both your ISDs have Gunnery Teams and the FAQ confirms that the word "cannot" on the GT card can't be overridden by anything - even the scenario. Most wanted would be a good alternative or switch out the Kuat's GTs for BT Avenger (ISD-I version or ISD-K).

Fighters will be a problem. A decent Sloane list will kill and ISD easily then try to avoid the other - offering you a flotilla or a Quasar kill in return. I think a Slicer Tool on one of the Gozantis would help a lot. To avoid eating into the bid too much the bulkheads cold go and maybe even Relentless.

@Mad Cat woops. Noob mistake. Fixed it.

Drop gunnery teams on the kuat for Boarding troopers and avenger. Might even be better to swap apt for external racks, but I'm not sure on the math for that. And I'll second the slicers tools comment.

Wave7 Dual Vader
Author: Ginkapo

Faction: Galactic Empire
Points: 381/400

Commander: Darth Vader

Assault Objective: Most Wanted
Defense Objective: Capture the VIP
Navigation Objective: Intel Sweep

[ flagship ] Imperial Star Destroyer Cymoon 1 Refit (112 points)
- Darth Vader ( 36 points)
- Devastator ( 10 points)
- Strategic Adviser ( 4 points)
- Gunnery Team ( 7 points)
- H9 Turbolasers ( 8 points)
- Quad Turbolaser Cannons ( 10 points)
= 187 total ship cost

Imperial Star Destroyer Kuat Refit (112 points)
- Avenger ( 5 points)
- Governor Pryce ( 7 points)
- Boarding Troopers ( 3 points)
- Early Warning System ( 7 points)
- External Racks ( 3 points)
= 137 total ship cost

Gozanti-class Cruisers (23 points)
- Comms Net ( 2 points)
= 25 total ship cost

1 Lambda-class Shuttle ( 15 points)
1 Ciena Ree ( 17 points)
= 32 total squadron cost

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I would stay away from a cymoon in a Double ISD list that has a Kuat in it. 1. they are trying to be in different ranges, and 2. The Cymoon is very easy to destroy with anything. I am still wary of vader because he gets rid of your tokens. I have been running this to much success:

Assault: Advanced Gunnery
Defense: Fighter Ambush
Navigation: Superior Positions

Gozanti Cruisers (23)
• Hondo Ohnaka (2)
• Comms Net (2)
• Suppressor (4)
= 31 Points

ISD Kuat Refit (112)
• Grand Admiral Thrawn (32)
• Governor Pryce (7)
• Boarding Troopers (3)
• Electronic Countermeasures (7)
• Leading Shots (4)
• External Racks (3)
• Avenger (5)
= 173 Points

ISD Kuat Refit (112)
• Captain Brunson (5)
• Boarding Troopers (3)
• Electronic Countermeasures (7)
• Leading Shots (4)
• External Racks (3)
• Sovereign (4)
= 138 Points

Squadrons:
• Ciena Ree (17)
• Mauler Mithel (15)
= 32 Points

Total Points: 374

It is really risky and a lot of fun. it's not the best way of running it I am sure... I also have some motti lists if you are into him. They are already out on the forum. This kind of list is why I got into armada. So I can chuck a whole bunch of dice and blow entire ships up in one blast

2 hours ago, Cleto0 said:

I would stay away from a cymoon in a Double ISD list that has a Kuat in it. 1. they are trying to be in different ranges, and 2. The Cymoon is very easy to destroy with anything. I am still wary of vader because he gets rid of your tokens. I have been running this to much success:

My list secured 1st at London regionals and 2nd at Liverpool regionals last year fyi.

Touche. I always feel wary, but it is more the pilot than the list. Congrats @Ginkapo! Did you feel that your ISDs were trying to do different things? Did you slow down the Cymoon and have the Kuat going faster? Were you able to use the Lambda to any effect? In comparison I am a newb, so I have many questions. Teach me master of Double ISDs!

4 minutes ago, Cleto0 said:

Touche. I always feel wary, but it is more the pilot than the list. Congrats @Ginkapo! Did you feel that your ISDs were trying to do different things? Did you slow down the Cymoon and have the Kuat going faster? Were you able to use the Lambda to any effect? In comparison I am a newb, so I have many questions. Teach me master of Double ISDs!

Kuat has Pryce. Thats the key. Lets it pounce from safety

1 minute ago, Ginkapo said:

Kuat has Pryce. Thats the key. Lets it pounce from safety

Right that's why Pryce is so good. I normally set Pryce for turn 2. Do you find yourself setting pryce that early, or is it normally slower for you? Many of my games end up ending on turn 5 with a 400 for me. How fast do you run your ISDs? I always start them at speed 2 because that gives them the most flexibility in speed change. I assume the Cymoon is brutal against MSU? What are your "weaknesses" and is your bid sufficient to win it 100% of the time?

Raddus is the weaknesd

Raddus is certainly an issue... I think the best way to go against raddus is either super aggressively, or super conservative. What is your general plan with raddus?

Happy 8,000th post!

I would suggest replacing gunnery teams on the kuat with ordinance experts to get a re roll on the black with out having to spend a defense token also then you have a ship to use with advanced gunnery. Other than that it seems pretty solid.

On 3/13/2019 at 11:43 AM, Packerman29 said:

Worlds? (382/400)
Empire

Commander: Darth Vader

Objectives: Advanced Gunnery, Dangerous Territory, Contested Outpost

[flagship] Imperial Star Destroyer Cymoon 1 Refit (112)
- Darth Vader (36)
- Relentless (3)
- Electronic Counter Measures (7)
- Intensify Firepower! (6)
- Minister Tua (2)
- XI7 Turbolasers (6)
- Spinal Armament (9)
- Gunnery Team (7)
= 188 total points

Imperial Star Destroyer Kuat Refit (112)
- Electronic Counter Measures (7)
- Hardened Bulkheads (5)
- Strategic Adviser (4)
- Assault Proton Torpedoes (5)
- Gunnery Team (7)
= 140 total points

Gozanti-class Cruisers (23)
- Suppressor (4)
- Comms Net (2)
= 29 total points

Gozanti-class Cruisers (23)
- Comms Net (2)
= 25 total points

How was Worlds?

18 minutes ago, Bertie Wooster said:

How was Worlds?

First, I did not take this list to worlds. Took a Motti LMSU. ISD Kuat with gsd, arq, raider and goz. When 2-2 day 1. Made day 2. Went 1-2 day 2. Finished 31st. My Achilles heel was imperial 2 ship. Had no real experience against it. But I learned for the better. Just thrilled I made day 2.

8 hours ago, Packerman29 said:

First, I did not take this list to worlds. Took a Motti LMSU. ISD Kuat with gsd, arq, raider and goz. When 2-2 day 1. Made day 2. Went 1-2 day 2. Finished 31st. My Achilles heel was imperial 2 ship. Had no real experience against it. But I learned for the better. Just thrilled I made day 2.

Yeah, that's pretty great!

10 hours ago, Packerman29 said:

My Achilles heel was imperial 2 ship. Had no real experience against it. 

That’s a massive part of the current meta...

On 3/14/2019 at 2:06 AM, Ginkapo said:

Wave7 Dual Vader

Would you mind describing in broad strokes how you fly this list/what objectives you tend to go for/what your gameplan usually is?
I am planning to try something similar and would love pointers.

20 hours ago, Andylicious said:

Would you mind describing in broad strokes how you fly this list/what objectives you tend to go for/what your gameplan usually is?
I am planning to try something similar and would love pointers.

Point the Kuat at the biggest thing and kill it using a Pryce doubletap. Kill everything else with a following Cymooon...... its fairly self explanatory, point and shoot