19 minutes ago, prauxim said:

Did they say clouds don't cause extra defense die when they obstruct?

I do not believe so. Normal obstruction rules, change a blank to evade for defender if fired through, and you lose an action if you fly through it. I think that's all of it.

I vaguely remember reading (ages ago) that you got a strain token too but perhaps that's bs

3 minutes ago, FriendofYoda said:

I vaguely remember reading (ages ago) that you got a strain token too but perhaps that's bs

That was just forum speculation. Never came about in any official capacity

Considering the cost of Poe and Squad Leader, Ahsoka's probably going to be the 2nd highest points cost on the Aethersprite after Annie.

6 minutes ago, Tvboy said:

Considering the cost of Poe and Squad Leader, Ahsoka's probably going to be the 2nd highest points cost on the Aethersprite after Annie.

Third. Obi passes out focuses like they're crack.

2 hours ago, Okapi said:

She is much, much better than Jake. If Jake wants to do three actions, it has to be barrel roll, focus and boost, in that order, and he gets a stress token. Ahsoka can do more or less any actions she wants, in almost any order (say, boost > roll > focus or lock > boost > focus), with just a couple of limitations:

• Her ship ability action (which can be either the first or the second action) has to be either a boost or a roll.
• Her evade action is purple, limiting her to two actions that turn.
• She only reloads 1 force token per turn, so triple actions are limited to every other turn.

Then again, she doesn't get stressed from it, and more importantly, she can perform actions while stressed . Thought Primed Thrusters were good? Well, Ahsoka har Primed Everything. Sloop > roll, kturn > focus, etc.

Why say many word when few word do better?

So with Ahsoka, do both her pilot ability and ship ability kick in after one maneuver? I wonder about “once per opportunity” possibly not allowing both.

No reason why she shouldn't. Supernatural Reflexes and S Foils don't exclude each other.

1 hour ago, thomedwards said:

So with Ahsoka, do both her pilot ability and ship ability kick in after one maneuver? I wonder about “once per opportunity” possibly not allowing both.

They share a trigger so they both go into the Ability Que in the order the player chooses.

5 hours ago, Okapi said:

She is much, much better than Jake. If Jake wants to do three actions, it has to be barrel roll, focus and boost, in that order, and he gets a stress token. Ahsoka can do more or less any actions she wants, in almost any order (say, boost > roll > focus or lock > boost > focus), with just a couple of limitations:

• Her ship ability action (which can be either the first or the second action) has to be either a boost or a roll.
• Her evade action is purple, limiting her to two actions that turn.
• She only reloads 1 force token per turn, so triple actions are limited to every other turn.

Then again, she doesn't get stressed from it, and more importantly, she can perform actions while stressed . Thought Primed Thrusters were good? Well, Ahsoka har Primed Everything. Sloop > roll, kturn > focus, etc.

Don't forget she's I3 (though Jake isn't much better).

It's really all in the pricing, and to date, force users have had a kind of double tax put into them -- they pay more for their flexibility and then are given a limited resource with which to use their pilot ability, force talent, or just save it for mods. Jake's cost for those triple action is a stress token and a more limited dial, but he can do that every turn, whereas -- you mention-- Ahsoka can't. Of course, I don't think he -- or any RZ1 see play anyway as is do they? So, if Ahsoka higher cost than Jake, that extra value of basically having a completely open dial, isn't going to mean much, I don't think.

6 hours ago, AlexW said:

Don't forget she's I3 (though Jake isn't much better).

It's really all in the pricing, and to date, force users have had a kind of double tax put into them -- they pay more for their flexibility and then are given a limited resource with which to use their pilot ability, force talent, or just save it for mods. Jake's cost for those triple action is a stress token and a more limited dial, but he can do that every turn, whereas -- you mention-- Ahsoka can't. Of course, I don't think he -- or any RZ1 see play anyway as is do they? So, if Ahsoka higher cost than Jake, that extra value of basically having a completely open dial, isn't going to mean much, I don't think.

In my opinion the I3-4 pilot = bad mentality is partly groupthink ("the internet says its bad!") and partly personal taste ("I prefer the top aces!"). It's not necessarily true . The meta has also been skewing more towards generics of late. The Upsilons got nerfed, but there's still the VTG menace, Vader + TIEs/Strikers is a thing, and now we have a whole faction of I1-3 robots coming up. Against I2 Y-Wings and I1 droids there is no practical difference between I3 and I5. It's also relevant to note that her ability works as insurance for Anakin, who becomes nigh unblockable with Ahsoka kan just roll or boost him before he moves. Hilariously, this also means that he can block I5s occasionally.

I'm not entirely sure I agree with you on the force users (lots and lots of playtime and generally good results here), but I see your point. Nearly all of them got points reductions in January, and they might still go down a point or two. The Inquisitors, Seventh Sister, Vader and Luke are pretty fairly costed. To me the Grand Inquisitor and Kylo Ren are still on the expensive side. Unsure about Rey, Asajj and Kanan, as I've yet to put those on the table.

9 hours ago, thomedwards said:

So with Ahsoka, do both her pilot ability and ship ability kick in after one maneuver? I wonder about “once per opportunity” possibly not allowing both.

Once per opportunity means 'each ability can only trigger once per instance of the timing that triggers it. So no using Ahsoka twice because you have yourself and another friendly in trigger range, but you're fine to use two different abilities triggered by the same timing.

So far, most Jedi got Support abilities.

While you can argue that Ahsoka can Support herself to gain a PTL at the cost of one force, its not the point id like to discuss.

Since those Jedi will be pointheavy, do you think having Support abilities is making them attractiv to play?

Usually, support ships are supporting the aces.

In the Republic, it feels that the aces support the generics.

Mutually supporting aces is an excellent archetype, they are a VERY hard nut to crack initially, and split apart into a range of strong endgame ships.

37 minutes ago, Rangor said:

So far, most Jedi got Support abilities.

While you can argue that Ahsoka can Support herself to gain a PTL at the cost of one force, its not the point id like to discuss.

Since those Jedi will be pointheavy, do you think having Support abilities is making them attractiv to play?

Usually, support ships are supporting the aces.

In the Republic, it feels that the aces support the generics.

Most of the Jedi have abilities that work on both themselves and on others. If you run, say, Ahsoka, Saesee and Obi-Wan together, they're a bit like IG-88s, picking whichever abilities they'll need that particular turn. Sometimes you'll want a focus while stressed; Ahsoka helps out. Obi-Wan got blocked? Use Saesee to change his dial. Ahsoka is boxed in and about to take a beating? Use her ability to grab focus + evade and refresh her focus once spent with Obi-Wan's ability.

It's like an entire faction of Jakes and Landos. Whether it works remains to be seen, but I'm definitely intrigued.

13 minutes ago, Okapi said:

Most of the Jedi have abilities that work on both themselves and on others. If you run, say, Ahsoka, Saesee and Obi-Wan together, they're a bit like IG-88s, picking whichever abilities they'll need that particular turn. Sometimes you'll want a focus while stressed; Ahsoka helps out. Obi-Wan got blocked? Use Saesee to change his dial. Ahsoka is boxed in and about to take a beating? Use her ability to grab focus + evade and refresh her focus once spent with Obi-Wan's ability.

It's like an entire faction of Jakes and Landos. Whether it works remains to be seen, but I'm definitely intrigued.

This is absolutely where I'm expecting to go with Jedi, especially if Anakin's abiltiy synergises. Obi Wan, Anakin, and Ahsoka should by all rights be an AMAZING list together.

14 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

This is absolutely where I'm expecting to go with Jedi, especially if Anakin's abiltiy synergises. Obi Wan, Anakin, and Ahsoka should by all rights be an AMAZING list together.

Looks like it's something bullseye-related, and it would make sense for him to have a more aggressive ability. Maybe something like Soontir Fel's, except it costs a force and anyone at 0-1 of him can do it. Would be fun.

4 hours ago, Okapi said:

In my opinion the I3-4 pilot = bad mentality is partly groupthink ("the internet says its bad!") and partly personal taste ("I prefer the top aces!"). It's not necessarily true .

No, but that wasn't my point -- I didn't say they were "bad" -- but Initiative increases do come with cost (because they have value) and is especially important on ships that, at least to some degree, rely on positioning and repositioning for their survival. Ahsoka presents an interesting challenge in terms of cost being a combination of I3, a force user, and having a strong ability that is in a spot where it can't be leveraged to the extent it could be on a higher PS pilot (which isn't a bad thing).

FWIW, I"ve always agreed with those that thought that the middle In. pilots are the best place for the strongest abilities in terms of game balance, though it isn't always the most exciting.

4 hours ago, Okapi said:

I'm not entirely sure I agree with you on the force users (lots and lots of playtime and generally good results here), but I see your point. Nearly all of them got points reductions in January, and they might still go down a point or two. The Inquisitors, Seventh Sister, Vader and Luke are pretty fairly costed. To me the Grand Inquisitor and Kylo Ren are still on the expensive side. Unsure about Rey, Asajj and Kanan, as I've yet to put those on the table. 

I do think it is a lot of it is in the cost, as I mention above and think that adjustment was in the right direction, but we'll have to disagree on value of those ships. In looking at recent results in hyperspace trials, I don't see a lot force users at all represented amongst named pilots (especially outside of Luke). If you think I'm missing some, please let me know, and ironically, Kylo had one of the bigger wins in a large tournament recently.

The central issue with force, though, isn't points, imo. It can be fixed with points, but I still think there's a problematic design with additional points investment in force users that goes behind the initial up front extra cost you pay for it. I just don't think every force ability and talent that has a positive effect should always require a force point to be spent (Predictive Shot's conditions highlight this for me and think it's the perfect example). I won't go into it more here since I already mentioned it above, but I'll add that it was a mechanic that I was excited about and think should be important in X-Wing but hasn't felt that way to me so far.

3 hours ago, thespaceinvader said:

This is absolutely where I'm expecting to go with Jedi, especially if Anakin's abiltiy synergises. Obi Wan, Anakin, and Ahsoka should by all rights be an AMAZING list together.

3 hours ago, Okapi said:

Looks like it's something bullseye-related, and it would make sense for him to have a more aggressive ability. Maybe something like Soontir Fel's, except it costs a force and anyone at 0-1 of him can do it. Would be fun.

From the Krayt thread (somebody got it from a Euro distributor I think?)

Anakin - "After you fully execute a maneuver, if there is an enemy in your front arc at r0-1 or in your bullseye at r0-3 you may spend a force to remove a stress"

Definitely would like Ahsoka's pre-maneuver reposition or Saesee's ability, to help his proc more.

On 3/13/2019 at 3:19 PM, SpiderMana said:

Anakin - "After you fully execute a maneuver, if there is an enemy in your front arc at r0-1 or in your bullseye at r0-3 you may spend a force to remove a stress"

If this is his ability, will afterburners be a must? Being able to K turn then boost remove the stress and then do your normal actions.

Am I right in assuming I can choose which order to activate abilities that say the same "after you fully execute a maneuver" reaction?

In effect it gives him a 2k and 3k (4k boost=2k and 5k boost= 3k)

1 minute ago, K13R4N said:

If this is his ability, will afterburners be a must? Being able to K turn then boost remove the stress and then do your normal actions.

Am I right in assuming I can choose which order to activate abilities that say the same "after you fully execute a maneuver" reaction?

Correct and it'll certainly be useful.

1 minute ago, thespaceinvader said:

Correct and it'll certainly be useful.

This is most likely the reason he has 2 speed senor loops and not 3 speed as that would be amazeballs!

Also of note, it distinctly predisposes him to the non-modification config.

24 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

Also of note, it distinctly predisposes him to the non-modification config.

I was instantly attracted to the 7B and Afterburners is a very persuasive reason, but I'm still leaning towards calibrated lasers. He has a native boost, plus the ship ability, and plenty of ways to coord it. He also has options to remove stress or reduce the difficulty of red moves. I think he might be equally effective run cheaper with better support.

Mainly though, I'm a sucker for 3 greens and guaranteed tokens on an ace, they're a lot hardier than 2 greens with anything. Anakin should do a decent job of lining up the bullseye and avoiding blocks. The force evade will be useful. It's a riskier play, to be sure.

Wondering how expensive Super Calibrated Anakin will be.....

...wild guess, 102.

Drops Supernatural