25 minutes ago, Phelan Boots said:

They are saying that you are interpreting it incorrectly. If there was an upgrade that said “you may perform a third additional attack per turn” it would be a card contradicting the base rules reference.

As it is, the upgrades you’ve referenced only give you an opportunity to take a bonus attack, not the ability to ignore the rule of only one bonus attack per turn.

and you get this from where in the rule book, cause I'm tired of getting shot three times a turn. because as it is by the rules that I can find they can shoot three time a turn if possible

2 hours ago, Anatak12 said:

and you get this from where in the rule book, cause I'm tired of getting shot three times a turn. because as it is by the rules that I can find they can shoot three time a turn if possible

RR, p6, "Bonus Attack":

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• A ship can perform only one bonus attack per round.

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22 hours ago, Ryfterek said:

RR, p6, "Bonus Attack":

(...)

• A ship can perform only one bonus attack per round.

(...)

page 2 golden rules.

If the ability of a card conflicts with the rules in this guide, the card ability takes precedence.

1 hour ago, Anatak12 said:

page 2 golden rules.

If the ability of a card conflicts with the rules in this guide, the card ability takes precedence.

"May" does not conflict with it...

2 hours ago, Anatak12 said:

page 2 golden rules.

If the ability of a card conflicts with the rules in this guide, the card ability takes precedence.

No card in the game says "after you've performed a bonus attack, you can perform an additional bonus attack". There's just a whole bunch of cards giving you an opportunity to "perform a bonus attack" and then there is a rule which says you're limited to using just one of them each turn.

Saying this breaks the golden rule is like saying cards with "you may perform [some] action" breaks the rule of only being able to perform any given action once each turn. Again, just because there's whole bunch of cards letting you "perform a Focus action" at various moments of your turn, this doesn't mean you're not limited to using only one of them OR performing Focus action during your action step.

18 hours ago, Ryfterek said:

No card in the game says "after you've performed a bonus attack, you can perform an additional bonus attack". There's just a whole bunch of cards giving you an opportunity to "perform a bonus attack" and then there is a rule which says you're limited to using just one of them each turn.

Saying this breaks the golden rule is like saying cards with "you may perform [some] action" breaks the rule of only being able to perform any given action once each turn. Again, just because there's whole bunch of cards letting you "perform a Focus action" at various moments of your turn, this doesn't mean you're not limited to using only one of them OR performing Focus action during your action step.

no card in the game state you can take two bonus attacks ( at least that i know of ) correct.

but Veteran Turret Gunner states

After you perform a primary attack, you may perform a bonus ( turret attack ) using a ( turret ) you did not already attack from this round.

the MG-100 has two (2) primary weapons a forward firing arch and a DBL turret all are primary weapons.

so you see according to the cards and a proper order of attack.

I have gone over this 20 times but the cards say what the cards say.. Nowhere on the cards does it say only one bonus attack.

I hate playing against the thing. it's not hard to hit it just soaks damage.

No matter I think we are playing legion this weekend, thanks for your time

I knew there was something to double bomber Cat.

Welcome to Rube Goldberg machine, THE FACTION ..

6 hours ago, Anatak12 said:

I have gone over this 20 times but the cards say what the cards say.. Nowhere on the cards does it say only one bonus attack.

It's not said on the cards because it's said in the rules. Similarly like the fact you cannot repeat the same action multiple of times a turn or you can't perform actions while stressed. The last example doesn't mean that each card which lets you perform an action is instantly contradicting the rulebook, but that the card has to be very explicit about breaking the rule so the "Golden Rule" can kick in. (See Afterburners).

Also, just below Golden Rules you'll find the glossary of "capacity" terms. "May" indicates the capacity, not the necessity. And such capacity can be limited by prohibiting rules from the rulebook.

In the scenario given (VTG) you are granted the capacity to perform a conditional bonus attack each time after you perform a primary attack but the game rules limit this capacity to a single use per turn.

Similarly, Quickdraw (TIE/sf) equipped with the Special Forces Gunner and Cluster Missiles has access to a grand total of 3 bonus attack triggers but is still limited by the rules to only utilising one of them each turn.

I hate to be overly cooky, but hey - if you have multiple of users with hundreds and tens of hundreds of posts and upvotes on the forum explaining to you it doesn't work and why it doesn't work, they probably know their ****. Put some faith in us.

On 7/19/2019 at 12:18 AM, Ryfterek said:

It's not said on the cards because it's said in the rules. Similarly like the fact you cannot repeat the same action multiple of times a turn or you can't perform actions while stressed. The last example doesn't mean that each card which lets you perform an action is instantly contradicting the rulebook, but that the card has to be very explicit about breaking the rule so the "Golden Rule" can kick in. (See Afterburners).

Also, just below Golden Rules you'll find the glossary of "capacity" terms. "May" indicates the capacity, not the necessity. And such capacity can be limited by prohibiting rules from the rulebook.

In the scenario given (VTG) you are granted the capacity to perform a conditional bonus attack each time after you perform a primary attack but the game rules limit this capacity to a single use per turn.

Similarly, Quickdraw (TIE/sf) equipped with the Special Forces Gunner and Cluster Missiles has access to a grand total of 3 bonus attack triggers but is still limited by the rules to only utilising one of them each turn.

I hate to be overly cooky, but hey - if you have multiple of users with hundreds and tens of hundreds of posts and upvotes on the forum explaining to you it doesn't work and why it doesn't work, they probably know their ****. Put some faith in us.

except t h at pesky golden rule keeps popping up. and the wording on it is very specific. key word being CONFLICT. and that is what we are talking about, a conflict between the rule book and the cards.

as for "may" : The word “may” is used to mean “has the option to.” For example, an ability that says “At the start of the Engagement Phase, you may perform a 󲁂 action,” means that the ship has the option to perform the action, but can also decline. ( from the book ) doesn't say no.

as for the tie SF, I'm not seeing the third as I have never played it.

as for faith. thats all well and good, but the words mean what they mean.

Strict adherence to the rules means strict adherence the words used in the rules.

as much as i would like to use your arguments to plead my case so to speak, i can't in good conscience do so.

maybe I'll stick to legion. clone wars is coming out.

52 minutes ago, Anatak12 said:

except t h at pesky golden rule keeps popping up. and the wording on it is very specific. key word being CONFLICT. and that is what we are talking about, a conflict between the rule book and the cards.

as for "may" : The word “may” is used to mean “has the option to.” For example, an ability that says “At the start of the Engagement Phase, you may perform a 󲁂 action,” means that the ship has the option to perform the action, but can also decline. ( from the book ) doesn't say no.

as for the tie SF, I'm not seeing the third as I have never played it.

as for faith. thats all well and good, but the words mean what they mean.

Strict adherence to the rules means strict adherence the words used in the rules.

as much as i would like to use your arguments to plead my case so to speak, i can't in good conscience do so.

maybe I'll stick to legion. clone wars is coming out.

Well, can't stop you hitting your head against the wall... Especially since you're the one getting yourself hurt here.

I can only assure you that - should you stick around Xwing and end up playing at a place with some experienced players, maybe a local judge - every one but your friend that's pushing their abusive agenda on you will save you from the triple-tap nightmare.

On 7/19/2019 at 2:20 AM, Anatak12 said:

no card in the game state you can take two bonus attacks ( at least that i know of ) correct.

but Veteran Turret Gunner states

After you perform a primary attack, you may perform a bonus ( turret attack ) using a ( turret ) you did not already attack from this round.

the MG-100 has two (2) primary weapons a forward firing arch and a DBL turret all are primary weapons.

so you see according to the cards and a proper order of attack.

I have gone over this 20 times but the cards say what the cards say.. Nowhere on the cards does it say only one bonus attack.

If you look under actions in the rules reference a bit down under actions.

You will see that the RR is using the same wording on actions as on bonus attacks, limiting them to once per round.

So my question to you, can you make the same action multiple times in a round? ie 3-4 focus actions?