6 minutes ago, Darth Lupine said:

I.....doggone it, I don't want to agree with you.....but I have to...... 😢

That's not to say it couldn't work for us.

Even the late *** FAQs get us by, I'm just saying I don't expect FFG to carryout anything new related to Armada with a ton of effort. If nothing else, I hope FFG would learn to make the app offline capable with both cloud and hard storage that syncs when the device is connected to wifi...


'cause that's my biggest pet peev about the x-wing app.... I do all my list building for legion armada and x-wing on break at work. I don't have access to wifi there... Basically means I can't build x-wing lists.

8 hours ago, Norell said:

Armada is sucha great gamr because it's so well balanced. I don'twantit to take X-Wing's path thankyouverymuch. 

Plus I don't want to google my phone all the time, I want to PLAY! See and touch what I'm playing and interact with my opponent, not googling what thatnever used card that happens to be in his list can do.

Armada isn't perfectly balanced. Some ships are way better then others. The overal balance is decent and a wide meta is possible, but it's not so well balanced that it couldn't use some fixes. And X-wing's path was more 1.0's issue. 1.0 was heavily inbalanced. 2.0 has a lot more options to it .

And you don't have to google on your phone the entire time during play. All cards are still there and present during battles showing you exactly what everything does. Only the points costs you need to look up on your phone, but those are not important during the match.

1 hour ago, Revanur said:

Only    the points costs you need to look up on your phone  , but those are not important during the match.   

This. I don't understand why people are worried about connecting to the app at the gaming store, you make your list(s) at home and bring them with.

6 hours ago, Benjan Meruna said:

This. I don't understand why people are worried about connecting to the app at the gaming store, you make your list(s) at home and bring them with.

If you read up you’ll see some reasons

7 hours ago, Benjan Meruna said:

This. I don't understand why people are worried about connecting to the app at the gaming store, you make your list(s) at home and bring them with.

And I do not understand why you can not understand that some of us make lists at the store.

13 hours ago, Revanur said:

Armada isn't perfectly balanced. Some ships are way better then others. The overal balance is decent and a wide meta is possible, but it's not so well balanced that it couldn't use some fixes. And X-wing's path was more 1.0's issue. 1.0 was heavily inbalanced. 2.0 has a lot more options to it .

And you don't have to google on your phone the entire time during play. All cards are still there and present during battles showing you exactly what everything does. Only the points costs you need to look up on your phone, but those are not important during the match.

Except that the points are very important after the match, to figure out who won....and yes, I play by turned rules mostly. Sometimes a game will turn on a five point difference. And as has been said, some people either don't have a printer, can't go somewhere to print something out, or are list building at the store.

11 minutes ago, Darth Lupine said:

Except that the points are very important after the match, to figure out who won....and yes, I play by turned rules mostly. Sometimes a game will turn on a five point difference. And as has been said, some people either don't have a printer, can't go somewhere to print something out, or are list building at the store.

That is an interesting point! In X-wing that is no problem, because it is a death match.

OK, what about this solution: Points and upgrade slots are printed in big round fields on the cards. One field per digit and slot. In the core set already there are a lot of stickers with the numbers 0-9 and the different slots. Whenever there is an app/PDF update you can update your cards by placing a sticker on the appropriate spot. Perfectly usable offline.

1 hour ago, Darth Veggie said:

That is an interesting point! In X-wing that is no problem, because it is a death match.

OK, what about this solution: Points and upgrade slots are printed in big round fields on the cards. One field per digit and slot. In the core set already there are a lot of stickers with the numbers 0-9 and the different slots. Whenever there is an app/PDF update you can update your cards by placing a sticker on the appropriate spot. Perfectly usable offline.

Schrecklicht. Lol...nah. I rather they keep the current format. What I would like to see is just them releasing a pack of cards with updated text. Won't happen.... I guess we will find out in a couple of weeks, what they are planning.

Honestly, the current set up for points is fine. A simple PDF just adjusting points for competitive play would be acceptable because then you could expect the organizers to have that information. But most of the things that need points adjusted only need them because of competitive play. In normal play, my friends and I agree that things like, Expanded Launchers, are far too expensive and change it down to be 8 points. Our logic is that while it does add 2 black dice, like rapid reload, they are both in the front so thus a little more valuable, but not 13pts. 8 feels good on it.

6 hours ago, Benjan Meruna said:

This. I don't understand why people are worried about connecting to the app at the gaming store, you make your list(s) at home and bring them with.

Shocker, some people don't own a printer.

Some of us don't have the spare time to list build at home.

For some of us, that time in the FLGS is our "spare time".

Some of us actually enjoy coming up with a list while sitting in the FLGS, waiting for an opponent to show up, using nothing but the cards.

Some of us play TABLE TOP MINIATURES WARGAMES to unplug, not get more online time!

That's why this community represents only a small percentage of those who actually play Armada.

1 hour ago, cynanbloodbane said:

Shocker, some people don't own a printer.

Some of us don't have the spare time to list build at home.

For some of us, that time in the FLGS is our "spare time".

Some of us actually enjoy coming up with a list while sitting in the FLGS, waiting for an opponent to show up, using nothing but the cards.

Some of us play TABLE TOP MINIATURES WARGAMES to unplug, not get more online time!

That's why this community represents only a small percentage of those who actually play Armada.

There seems to be a wide variety of gamers from Vassal-loving-nerds to pen-and-paper-only-freaks. Maybe we all can just accept that there is more than one way of having fun and end this dull discussion about downloading non-excisting pdfs or not.

(Except arguing in pointless discussions is your way of having fun. Then bugger on...) 😉

11 hours ago, Drasnighta said:

If you read up you’ll see some reasons

I didn't see any reasons why you can't write down the points values at home (or wherever else you have internet access) to look at them later.

2 hours ago, cynanbloodbane said:

Shocker, some people don't own a printer.

Some of us don't have the spare time to list build at home.

For some of us, that time in the FLGS is our "spare time".

Some of us actually enjoy coming up with a list while sitting in the FLGS, waiting for an opponent to show up, using nothing but the cards.

Some of us play TABLE TOP MINIATURES WARGAMES to unplug, not get more online time!

That's why this community represents only a small percentage of those who actually play Armada.

Do you not own a pencil and paper?

But you have the spare time to argue that you don't have the spare time, I see.

Again, you CLEARLY have spare time when you have internet access, or you wouldn't be here on this forum right now.

Then you can write out the points ahead of time, assume you lack access to a printer.

Then why are you even here?

No, the reason online communities of games are smaller than their totality of players is because only a fraction of players are invested enough to post on forums. This includes games like MMOs, which are played entirely online.

10 hours ago, Darth Lupine said:

Except that the points are very important after the match, to figure out who won....and yes, I play by turned rules mostly. Sometimes a game will turn on a five point difference. And as has been said, some people either don't have a printer, can't go somewhere to print something out, or are list building at the store.

5 hours ago, cynanbloodbane said:

Shocker, some people don't own a printer.

Some of us don't have the spare time to list build at home.

For some of us, that time in the FLGS is our "spare time".

Some of us actually enjoy coming up with a list while sitting in the FLGS, waiting for an opponent to show up, using nothing but the cards.

Some of us play TABLE TOP MINIATURES WARGAMES to unplug, not get more online time!

That's why this community represents only a small percentage of those who actually play Armada.

Although I understand some people like it less to use an app or other online resource and prefer things as they currenlty are. But for it to be a real problem we are talking about a small group that has all off these factors: No printer at home, no option to print at work, public area of friends place, no wifi at the LGS and also no mobile data and also no time to write stuff with pen and paper? I would think in most advanced countries these numbers should be low.

Earlier in the thread was opted that older people are expected to be the ones most grumbling about this, but when I started with Warhammer back in it's 5th edition we wrote all our lists with pen and paper from the books and list building took a lot more time and effort then any Armada or X-wing list. So the time en effort part you make it out to be to use digital means is kinda surprising to me.

And while fully get the argument about using table top games to unplug, I must say that it's still unplugged time even while I build my lists digital. All time playing the lists on the table my phone remains out of my hands and I just have a good time face to face with friends.

On 3/11/2019 at 9:47 AM, Drasnighta said:

My problem is the fact that I can download the FAQ and Rules and use them offline. Where my store doesnt' have WIFI that I can use.

There's no guarantee that an APP will have offline capability - which WILL stop my current work of "Build a list on the spot while i'm waiting for players because I don't have time to do that before going to the store"...

Its a tricky part to adapt there.

This is really reaching for excuses here, I'm sorry to say. You realize you can download the info directly to your phone as a .pdf and then open it and use it ALL WHILE OFFLINE. You don't need data, you don't need wifi. Just keep your battery charged and you will be totally fine. Forget the apps altogether if you like and use the old stand by, pen and paper. Seriously, this is a mole hill, not a mountain.

5 hours ago, Woobyluv said:

This is really reaching for excuses here, I'm sorry to say. You realize you can download the info directly to your phone as a .pdf and then open it and use it ALL WHILE OFFLINE. You don't need data, you don't need wifi. Just keep your battery charged and you will be totally fine. Forget the apps altogether if you like and use the old stand by, pen and paper. Seriously, this is a mole hill, not a mountain.

Sure, its possible . I'm not denying that...

But, really - Could you imagine trying to browse a major PDF on a Small Smartphone Screen trolling for Points for upgrades to even see if it'll fit? Its not exactly the most intuitive, easy, or user friendly things to do - and people who have no choice but to do it, may just decide not to play anymore ... Because it *is* that much of a hassle...

Versus making an app available offline?

That's just good design.

1 hour ago, Drasnighta said:

Sure, its possible . I'm not denying that...

But, really - Could you imagine trying to browse a major PDF on a Small Smartphone Screen trolling for Points for upgrades to even see if it'll fit? Its not exactly the most intuitive, easy, or user friendly things to do - and people who have no choice but to do it, may just decide not to play anymore ... Because it *is* that much of a hassle...

Versus making an app available offline?

That's just good design.

It is possible only if you have a smart phone, that not all of us have or want. I do not have (or want) one, and know a fair number of others who do not for one reason or another have one. In my primary playing group we have two of us with out smart phones and one more with a land line only, and at least one player with out any computer/internet at all (at home).

On 3/15/2019 at 2:17 PM, Revanur said:

Although I understand some people like it less to use an app or other online resource and prefer things as they currenlty are. But for it to be a real problem we are talking about a small group that has all off these factors: No printer at home, no option to print at work, public area of friends place, no wifi at the LGS and also no mobile data and also no time to write stuff with pen and paper? I would think in most advanced countries these numbers should be low.

You'd think, but in reality, that's not really the case. Just the other day I was standing in a pharmacy in a town of 100k people and I had no cell service. There was a hobby/game store right next door. The amount of the US without access to high speed internet is actually quite shocking. Sure, it's different in Europe, but in the US there are large areas with little or no coverage when you are talking cellular data or even internet access. I have multiple home printers, but honestly don't know why. I print maybe 20 pages of material a year, and the vast majority of it could probably be handled without printing. Printing personal stuff at work, or accessing the internet for personal use at places of work in the US can often be a job ending prospect.

For a game that is struggling to stay alive and relevant, driving away even 1 player at a venue due to real or perceived accessibility issues would not be a wise move. That one player may tip the scales from a passable player population to an unsustainable population at that venue, which in turn means loss of sales/support at that venue, which in turn means loss of sales for FFG.

Players quit X-wing over the app and fluctuating point cost idea, but X-wing is big enough, popular enough, and growing enough to handle that loss. Is Armada? Is the perceived benefit of this idea worth the risk of alienating players of an already shrinking player base?

If points where on an app that got updated biannually with no points on cards if you really want to have points on them you could sleeve your cards and get the little neon circle stickers to mark the card and put the point cost in that it marks the card as yours so if you ever let people barrow cards you know that one is yours and you now have points listed on your cards. This might be a pian to do biannually but it is a solution, and you can just stick the updated cost over the last cost on the card so you would only have to buy sleeves once. Again this is a solution to only a hypothetical problem that may or may not exist in the future of the game.

I am still hoping that they will do card packs... so easy... so much more variation. more FUN. you can do Commander packs, ion cannon packs, defensive packs, officer packs squadron card packs, etc. Obliviously if they have ships ready to come out, send them please, but card packs would be much easier to design and they can still over charge for them. I will buy them and I know everyone else will too. I love you FFG

6 hours ago, Cleto0 said:

I am still hoping that they will do card packs... so easy... so much more variation. more FUN. you can do Commander packs, ion cannon packs, defensive packs, officer packs squadron card packs, etc. Obliviously if they have ships ready to come out, send them please, but card packs would be much easier to design and they can still over charge for them. I will buy them and I know everyone else will too. I love you FFG

I think that would be a good way to disappoint me, in spite of low expectations.

I never was short of any upgrade cards at all. In casual games you can proxy and for tourneys there has always been a friend to borrow stuff. (Once I forgot ALL my upgrade cards and was able to borrow them AT the store championship.) I wouldn't even buy it, if they would do "errata card pack". I know my stuff and I want errata cards for free.

If they announce something new ("And how will the new materials impact the game's activations, squadron battles, and punishing ship-to-ship combat?") it really shouldn't be a new way to get old upgrade cards. (You can already buy a SSD Expansion for that purpose.)

3 hours ago, Triangular said:

I think that would be a good way to disappoi  nt me, in spite of low expectations.

I never was short of any upgrade cards at all. In casual games you can pro  xy and for tourneys there has always been a friend to borrow stuff. (Once I forgot ALL my upgrade cards and was able to borrow them AT the store championship.) I wouldn't even buy it, if they would do "errata card pack". I know my stuff and I want errata cards for free.

If they announce something new ("And how will the new materials impact the game's activations, squadron battles, and punishing ship-to-ship combat?") it really shouldn't be a new way to get old upgrade cards. (You can already buy a SSD Expansion for that purpose.)

lol not the same upgrade cards, NEW ones lmao... I want more variety, and card packs based on upgrade TYPE would be an easy way to put a whole bunch of variety back into the game.

I seriously settle for a cardboard/card pack. I don’t need new models, but two new variants of the Home One and AFmk2 would be nice for rebels.

3 hours ago, Church14 said:

I seriously settle for a cardboard/card pack. I don’t need new models, but two new variants of the Home One and AFmk2 would be nice for rebels.

I think if they would do new card board variants, they would do it together with a ship model. Maybe a "Mon Remonda" for MC 80B variants with General Han Solo as Commander? Veery non-canon but ... 🤫

I’m very late to this thread (and I admittedly haven’t read it all), but if I may return to the article and the “it could be Clone Wars” speculation, I’d point out that it’s pretty heavily hinted at in the interview that the card designed by the Worlds Champ is a new Rebel commander. Therefore we’re not done with the Galactic Civil War era yet. If it’s starfighter focused as stated then I’d guess that the commander could be Luke, Han, or possibly even Lando? We’ll know soon enough though.

I really think if its only one expansion like we have been lead to believe it will be ether the rebel huge ship or a CC like expansion, there are other posibilitys but I find these most likely.