3 hours ago, Caimheul1313 said:

I think that's only really likely if Rise of Skywalker has a big land battle in it as Resistance doesn't really have significant ground troops to be interesting, just one unit of core and a speeder (which is actually a Rebel era vehicle). Plus while I like some aspects of the FO aesthetic, their units don't seem significantly different from the GAR or Empire. I could see them being released as "alternate sculpt" Empire, but I'm not discounting the possibility of another faction.

I don't expect any new cores for 2+ years at the earliest, and honestly think that a merc/criminal faction is more likely to be introduced before FO/Resistance.

I have no doubt we’ll get sub factions as well in due time.

I think the biggest problem for resistance atm is vehicles (technically they have 3 core and a boatload (buh dum tis) of operatives/commanders, but only the Crait speeder, unless BB-8 piloting an AT-ST counts for anything)

GAR and empire already share the same aesthetic but function differently, there’s still room to grow that idea for the first order.

releasing a core after IX comes out would make sense as opposed to 2 years when Disney is going to be bringing a new movie to the big screen. This off year with the mandolorian, resistance, and clone wars is perfect for FFG to play catch up. Also if IX is decent then there will be hype for that era, perfect time to release a new core. (Or announce it, at least).

39 minutes ago, Caimheul1313 said:

The Empire's troops are hardy but work best with aim tokens, while the GAR appears to be both hardy and able       to hit what they shoot at without aims, making th  em the "elite" army. What style of army do you see th  e FO being such that it isn't just a reskin of the Emp   i  re?  

Earlier in the thread, I did post some ideas. To sum up, Having the first order stormtroopers able to utilize a training upgrade of a nearby commander or operative.

So if your Phasma miniature had Tenacity, then First Order stormtroopers within a certain range could utilize it as well.

This is just spit balling an idea, to make them have a more in the face, follow the leader play style.

5 minutes ago, That Blasted Samophlange said:

Earlier in the thread, I did post some ideas. To sum up, Having the first order stormtroopers able to utilize a training upgrade of a nearby commander or operative.

So if your Phasma miniature had Tenacity, then First Order stormtroopers within a certain range could utilize it as well.

This is just spit balling an idea, to make them have a more in the face, follow the leader play style.

Fair enough, to be honest I didn't dig far in the thread so missed it. It could work, and FFG may have some completely different idea as well.

Plus, to counter my own argument, it's not like other games don't have factions that are nearly identical, so it's not like Legion would be alone if FO is almost a carbon copy of either the GAR or Empire.

But I am still of the opinion that it is likely further off than a year or so, but that is my opinion and could very well be incorrect.

yeah I feel like plastics production is a bottleneck so I doubt we will see first order and resistance soon even if they did have the designs in progress.

14 minutes ago, TylerTT said:

yeah I feel like plastics production is a bottleneck so I doubt we will see first order and resistance soon even if they did have the designs in progress.

Also I think it would be suicidal for FFG to try and play catch up with 2 different eras worth of armies. I expect the big focus to be clone wars for 10-12 months, at least until GAR and CIS are on par with Rebels/Empire in options. That might include Mandos or Genosians or Gungans as sub-factions, so we’ll see.

Nothing the FO has ever done is even remotely as embarrassing as The Emperor’s hand picked elites getting savaged by a bunch of teddy bears with sticks, likewise The Emperor himself getting picked up by a one handed man then thrown into a hole while he fails to stop casting Force Lightning on himself for no reason. Boba gets OHKOd by a blind man. It never occurs to Han to look at the Falcon for tracking devices... ever. Luke pouts about the death of a hermit he met last Wednesday and needs to be comforted by Leia whose planet was just destroyed.

Vader is great. Palp is great. Luke is great. Han is great. Leia is great. Rey is great. Kylo is great. Snoke is great. Hux is great.

Star Wars is great. Just lean into it. I think the PT in general is poorly written, lousy, and a hugely wasted opportunity. I think the Clone Wars is mostly everything I like about Star Wars the least. But I get why people like those aspects of the canon.

13 hours ago, Darth Sanguis said:

Allow me to say without insult if you see the First Order as an extension of the old Empire. You're wrong, and you're probably looking at it wrong. Again, not to insult. That's the point they're trying to make.

I forgot to mention, absolutely no thought that you were insulting, we disagree, its ok (not that the net in general dosnt descend into this quite often) 😄

After reading the aftermath trilogy (that has Hux in it as a child)

and the frequent use of old empire hardware

The first order has got some pretty strong ties to the empire.

Added the Sith Trooper to the Original Post

7 minutes ago, That Blasted Samophlange said:

Added the Sith Trooper to the Original Post

Random thought: do we have confirmation that it is still the First Order? I'm just wondering if Hux might have broken off and be leading the "First Order" while Kylo leads "The New Sith Empire" or something. I mean, I doubt it, but it wouldn't be the weirdest thing to happen.

7 minutes ago, Caimheul1313 said:

Random thought: do we have confirmation that it is still the First Order? I'm just wondering if Hux might have broken off and be leading the "First Order" while Kylo leads "The New Sith Empire" or something. I mean, I doubt it, but it wouldn't be the weirdest thing to happen.

This was the original placard that was shown at SDCC:

"in it's ultimate push toward galactic control, the first order *readies?* an army of elite soldiers that draw inspiration and power from a dark and ancient legacy."

So, it seems likely.

Give me Rose operative.

Action: give Finn 10 supression tokens.

I guess the sequals can happen, but the last jedi just killed any interested I have in new star wars so I hope we don't get them for years to come.

Yep, cannot see FFG even looking at these latest movies for 18 months whilst they mine the prequels. Personally I have no interest in the prequels or sequels. The new trooper types would be the basis for some fun games, but maybe a bit too similar to the current stormies.

4 hours ago, That Blasted Samophlange said:

This was the original placard that was shown at SDCC:

"in it's ultimate push toward galactic control, the first order *readies?* an army of elite soldiers that draw inspiration and power from a dark and ancient legacy."

So, it seems likely.

Ah okay. I wasn't really sure if there was some other twist in store. Thanks!

The troops available are such close copies of the originals I just don’t see the point for either faction, especially with republic coming out. You could save a whole lot of time and just release some character figures for both factions, maybe a new heavy option for a few units, and call it a day.

30 minutes ago, Caimheul1313 said:

Ah okay. I wasn't really sure if there was some other twist in store. Thanks!

They did, however, remove this placard shortly after it was displayed.

23 minutes ago, Dosiere said:

The troops available are such close copies of the originals I just don’t see the point for either faction, especially with republic coming out. You could save a whole lot of time and just release some character figures for both factions, maybe a new heavy option for a few units, and call it a day.

I sure some said the same of clones. But, FFG seem to be trying to be making the similar factions feel different. Only imperial stormtroopers are SO precise, and clones can focus fire and spend each others green tokens. Seems like they play differently to me. Sure there is the difference in attack die but visually you could confuse the two - especially when phase II clones come out.

Oh I’m sure they could find subtle ways to differentiate the mechanics so they feel a little different. I’m just referring to the visual looks of the models. Aside from the characters and a heavy weapon or two, it just seems like a whole,lot of effort for slightly different looking minis. Rogue One alone provided more unique looking options than both sequels combined at this point. Solo gave us, finally, a glimpse at non stormtrooper imperial troops.

Im sure it will happen anyway, and I’m not against it or anything, I just wish they had established a more visual difference between the OT and the sequels as far as wargaming is concerned. Hopefully we get some inspired new material in the next movie, but based on the red stormtrooper sith trooper look I’m not holding my breath.

I’m all for Sequel Trilogy stuff, but only after we get Old Republic era Republic, Sith and Mandos.

4 minutes ago, LordUrban said:

I’m all for Sequel Trilogy stuff, but only after we get Old Republic era Republic, Sith and Mandos.

Nope. No.. not for me anyways. I'm one of the few who feels kotor was complete trash.

3 hours ago, LordUrban said:

I’m all for Sequel Trilogy stuff, but only after we get Old Republic era Republic, Sith and Mandos.

That also highly unlikely given Disney doesn't seem to want to touch that era, or let any new licensees explore that time period.

If FFG decides to release FO / Resistance, then we will have to wait at least another 12 - 16 months.

But I suspect that we won't see either of these factions for a variety of reasons:

1. Uniqueness: Part of playing a hobby game is making your army your own and being different from the competition. Resistance and the Rebels are literally the same aesthetically. FO and Empire look a like as well. At least for me, this is a turn off.

2. Interest. In my subjective opinion, the new movies ( 7 & 8 ) sucked. The new movies aren't as popular as the old ones. Which means fewer people will buy into the new factions. I will be staying far away from these factions.

3. Lack of content. I know this can easily be changed, but right now, the amount of content FFG has to work with is minimal.

4 hours ago, R3dReVenge said:

If FFG decides to release FO / Resistance, then we will have to wait at least another 12 - 16 months.

But I suspect that we won't see either of these factions for a variety of reasons:

1. Uniqueness: Part of playing a hobby game is making your army your own and being different from the competition. Resistance and the Rebels are literally the same aesthetically. FO and Empire look a like as well. At least for me, this is a turn off.

2. Interest. In my subjective opinion, the new movies ( 7 & 8 ) sucked. The new movies aren't as popular as the old ones. Which means fewer people will buy into the new factions. I will be staying far away from these factions.

3. Lack of content. I know this can easily be changed, but right now, the amount of content FFG has to work with is minimal.

1. To an outsider clines and stormtroopers look the same

2. Your very subjective opinion is not shared by most people.

3. There is a point here. However, ffg can fill in blanks with video game and comic book content. Also, it seems like there are hints of a ground battle in rise of Skywalker.

I fully admit that the resistance is currently short on units, but I expect that The Rise of Skywalker will fill in some gaps unit wise.

I wouldn't expect a Sequel box to show up until at least a year after The last movie. It makes sense to wait for new units. The First Order is getting a slew of new units in this movie, have enough right now even.

Earlier in the thread I posted ideas on how the Resistance could work. I think highly effective smaller init size corps could work. We have the battledroids that have a larger unit, why not smaller corps with named character upgrades similar to Bistan an Pao for the pathfinders? The Resistance is very small, but highly dedicated and nearly all Hand picked by Leia or those she trusts.

All I'm saying is there ARE ways to make them feel different.

For the most part though, "small, elite units" frequently have higher saves than 5+, which is what any of the Resistance troops seen so far would have (white die with surge defense).

Additionally, it seems the GAR is angling for the "smaller army, better units" angle, between extensive synergies, good army and decent shooting on the first Corps unit.