All it takes for a viable faction is lots of cool models to paint.

Eventually, if Legion goes on, these factions will come out. I can't see it not happening.

1 hour ago, RyantheFett said:

I would say that is more of a problem with Legion in general. They have done a pretty bad job of keeping the factions different and throw power creep on top of that. Nothing that a few rules added and point changes could not fix tho!!

I always point to X-wing as a game that has a lot of repeat units, but are mechanically very different for each faction. The Y-wing is in 3 factions and yet they are do vastly different things in each one.

Maybe make the vehicles the center part of FO list, like Rebels and their heroes. Allow the UA-TT to interact with objectives?

I think we could still have FO/Res and make them 'feel' different to Imp/Reb.

FO could have a more aggressive style than Imp. Maybe a frenzy/assault mechanic? Where their units will try to rush towards the enemy, and as a commander you have to manage this.

Res could take the guerrilla tactics and deception/dirty tricks of rebels, and dial it to eleven. So they could be like a way more fragile, yet tricksy faction.

This would help differentiate them mechanically from the OT factions.

I would gladly buy a Jar Jar Binks model before I bought anything to do with the first order or resistance.

I don't particularly care for the way the FO/Res look. I think the storm troopers should look like those from 1977. The ships look odd and don't look like your trying to make the most efficient use of space in a space ship. The original ATAT that was so iconic became comical in its appearance. The resistance costumes didn't do much for me. They didn't look very under funded, out gunned, and desperate.

18 hours ago, TauntaunScout said:

All it takes for a viable faction is lots of cool models to paint.

Eventually, if Legion goes on, these factions will come out. I can't see it not happening.

Pretty much this. When it comes to ground war for Star Wars FFG is somewhat limited to how many factions that can be created. I would say the same option would be to copy X-wing 2.0 and just do the seven since that would cover everything possible, but still leave a lot of units in each faction.

The real question is more when they will come out and if Scum goes before or after. And from everything I have seen it is a coin flip.

55 minutes ago, John79 said:

The original ATAT that was so iconic became comical in its appearance.

Fun fact, the walker you see mostly in VIII is not a FO AT-AT. It is a AT-M6 and it is just a heavy artillery piece. The FO also got AT-ATs and the look is pretty close to the original and used the same way as the Empire's version.

If I were to hand out letter grades, the OT and R1 films would get an A or A-, being between 90% and 97%. The prequels would get F's, ranging anywhere from 25% to 10%. The sequels would get D-'s or F's, ranging between 60% and 45%. Hint: only one of them would get a passing grade at 60%... SOLO would get a solid C. It is the definition of an average space movie.

However.

Miniatures games aren't movies. The more miniatures the better. I hope they release first order and resistance and so on and so forth. If nothing else consider them a source for conversion parts, and a draw for more people to play with.

I just want FO to come out so I can get those sweet sweet FO helmets. They look absolutely slick.

And even the Resistance helmets look cool, kinda like weird motorcycle helmets.

You know, maybe my whole opinion on units is based off of helmet coolfactor

54 minutes ago, ricoratso said:

I just want FO to come out so I can get those sweet sweet FO helmets. They look absolutely slick.

And even the Resistance helmets look cool, kinda like weird motorcycle helmets.

You know, maybe my whole opinion on units is based off of helmet coolfactor

I mean, thats the best part right?

3 hours ago, TauntaunScout said:

If I were to hand out letter grades, the OT and R1 films would get an A or A-, being between 90% and 97%. The prequels would get F's, ranging anywhere from 25% to 10%. The sequels would get D-'s or F's, ranging between 60% and 45%. Hint: only one of them would get a passing grade at 60%... SOLO would get a solid C. It is the definition of an average space movie.

However.

Miniatures games aren't movies. The more miniatures the better. I hope they release first order and resistance and so on and so forth. If nothing else consider them a source for conversion parts, and a draw for more people to play with.

I disagree with a lot of your scores, but you made good points, laid out your opinion, did so without insulting anyone, and considered the best option for the game despite personal taste....................... Are you sure you are a Star Wars fan?????????????

I am curious though, which ST is passing? I'm guessing TFA.

Random personal movie reviews nobody asked for:

• Rouge One: Most of this movie meh, but that last 20 mins is some of the best Star Wars ever made. B, but I would not argue if someone put it higher or lower. Reminds me of 2014 Godzilla.
• TLJ: Half of this movie I will always say has some of the best Star Wars has to offer..................... and the other half has some of the worst (looking at you Canto Bight!!!!!!!). Easily the most stylish looking Star Wars and I would die on that hill.
• Solo: C!! Oh crap I thought I was the only one put that movie dead in the middle of Star Wars!! Like every Star Wars review I start with Solo in the middle and then ask myself if it is better then that lol............... And I don't know if I should be harder or nicer to Solo? Its a very weird movie on rewatch.
• RotJ: I put it as a fun B. That movie is flawed and suffers from the same issues that plagues all of the end trilogy movies (2/3 movies smooshed together into a bit of a mess).

The sequel movies were absolutely atrocious I dont see how anyone could rate any of them higher than an F. You actually have to create a grade worse than F to fully convey how bad those movies were. There was nothing redeeming about the sequel movies. The entire starwars franchise was worse off because of those movies being created. They had a complete lack of a cohesive plot that was half ripped off from the original trilogy and half made up as they went along, they had bumbling or non-existent character development, they destroyed iconic characters like han solo, leia, and luke , and they also added a bunch of politics to starwars. The sequel movies get a G.

The prequel movies were bad too but at least they had a somewhat cohesive plot and they werent just winging it from movie to movie. They get a D.

Just now, Khobai said:

The sequel movies were absolutely atrocious I dont see how anyone could rate any of them higher than an F.

I don't see how anyone could rate your understanding any higher than an F.

there's a lot of extremely juicy things in the sequels, and the action is better than it ever was, ecet for a few lightsaber duels here and there.

my primary criticism comes from the lack of strong connecting tissue between these fantastic moments, for example, TLJ is filled to the brim with some of the best sequences in Star Wars, joined by rather meh or bad subtissue.

Because the destruction of iconic characters like luke skywalker fully cancelled out any redeeming qualities the movies had

the sequel movies did more harm to the starwars universe than good

disney is still trying to repair the damage. thats why they just hired mark hamill. because he knows exactly how the sequel movies failed starwars fans. hes been very outspoken about it and they fact they gave him a job means they agree with him.

I also didnt think the action sequences were that great. a lot of the action sequences didnt even make sense. And some of the action sequences felt like they were just rotely injected into the movie just to follow the starwars formula (like that whole ridiculous casino planet excursion). But there wasnt any character development or coherent plot tie-ins or dramatic buildup prior to the battle sequences. So I didnt even care if any of the characters died. By the end I was actually hoping palpatine would win just to subvert my expectations.

Which is why I hope this game never ends up adding anything from the sequel trilogy. That and I dont think the first order or resistance are sufficiently different enough from the empire or rebels to justify adding. making them better versions of already similar factions just undermines the game.

Personally, I’d give the OT B+ to A. I mean they are the icons that started this whole thing, still some of the most popular movies made and they where made 40 years ago.

The prequels I’d put at a solid c. They weren’t terrible but they weren’t great either. They suffered from a lackluster actor playing anakin, and trying to cram too much story into to small of a window.

The sequels where a mess. The biggest issue I think they had, was a lack of over arching. 7 while it was almost the exact same story as 4, it did a great job of introducing new interesting characters that you wanted to know more about. 8 was a disaster. It took everything good about 7 and killed it off. Then it killed off most of the characters left from the OT. 9 was an attempt to clean up and piece what was left back together. So I’d give 7 a B-b+, 8 a resounding F and 9 a D+.

The sequels and prequels both did more harm than good to the corpus of work.

The prequels make my eyes and ears hurt so I have to turn them off before I finish a re-watch. Seriously. I've never finished a re-watch since I saw them in theaters. I've tried. I can't. Plus, the aliens look like racist political cartoons from the 1930's. So there's that.

The sequels I can sit through a re-watch of.

Hence, my grading.

I give TLJ a passing D- because at least it lacked JJ Abrams' bizarre version of astronomy.

I guess I should revise it to give TROS a 10% like I do AOTC. That movie was just... *shudder*. My opinion of the sequels has worsened with time, but my opinion of the prequels started out so low it can't get much worse. I was softening on it, and cutting TFA a lot of slack, on the grounds that maybe I was just too old for a new Star War, then R1 came out. Just in case I thought about cutting anyone else any slack, Mad Max: Fury Road proved my ability to accept new things (if they're actually high in quality) wasn't limited the SW franchise (I've also become estranged from the Alien, Predator, Middle Earth, and Terminator film franchises).

The final nail in the coffin for TROS is it's too smash 'em up pedestrian for me, and it's too scary/disjointed/confusing for me to considering letting my kids watch. So who is it even for? Tweens or something?

2 hours ago, Khobai said:

and they also added a bunch of politics to starwars. The sequel movies get a G.

Did we watch the same Star Wars movies? Star Wars was always politcal.

Don't know why politics are being brought up when we really should be asking about the droid attack on the Wookies

6 hours ago, TauntaunScout said:

The prequels make my eyes and ears hurt so I have to turn them off before I finish a re-watch. Seriously. I've never finished a re-watch since I saw them in theaters. I've tried. I can't. Plus, the aliens look like racist political cartoons from the 1930's. So there's that.

I have a soft spot for TPM, but that movie is boring and surprisingly racist. I would say give AotC another try since that movie in my view is so bad it is funny. Like get some friends and some booze and go full MST3K on it. Oh the romance, the plot(?), the CGI, the acting, and even the fight scenes. Truly I put it up their with The Room and Battlefield Earth in so bad it is good.

5 hours ago, AsmallChicken said:

7 hours ago, Khobai said:

and they also added a bunch of politics to starwars. The sequel movies get a G.

Did we watch the same Star Wars movies? Star Wars was always politcal.

I mean to be fair the OT did a lot with politics it just that George Lucas became a lot less subtle in the PT. Stuff like the Ewoks (Vietcong) taking down Empire (U.S.) or just straight up quoting the president would get destroyed today.....................Oh wait he is talking about ST politics?

I would kill for a First Order faction, then I could complete my trifecta of cool bad guy factions with the CIS, Empire and FO. Plus I absolutely love the look of the FO helmets and the aesthetic of the faction as a whole, coming across as a lot more fanatical than the Empire.

13 hours ago, Atromix said:

I would kill for a First Order faction, then I could complete my trifecta of cool bad guy factions with the CIS, Empire and FO. Plus I absolutely love the look of the FO helmets and the aesthetic of the faction as a whole, coming across as a lot more fanatical than the Empire.

Sorry, I think you're confused... GAR is *clearly* the bad guys of the prequel trilogy (mostly sarcasm, mind you)

14 minutes ago, RejjeN said:

Sorry, I think you're confused... GAR is *clearly* the bad guys of the prequel trilogy (mostly sarcasm, mind you)

Sort of wish you were right. GAR should have been played up as being more of the villain. Sure they point out a lot that the Jedi were fighting for a corrupt system that allowed slavery, but man the CIS were just pure evil. Wish they would have added some nuisance to make everything more grey. Like the CIS could still be evil, but they have really really good PR everywhere. The Clone Wars show tries, but it always feels half-assed at best.

They do a much better job with Empire in showing how much of the lower to even mid ranks of Imperials are going for the greater good/order is better then the chaos that would occur mindset.

I don’t think the game can be undermined much. It’s never tried to take itself nearly as seriously as we try to make it be.

2 hours ago, TauntaunScout said:

I don’t think the game can be undermined much. It’s never tried to take itself nearly as seriously as we try to make it be.

It's a shame all the youtube battle report channels are really bad.

You'd think FFG would at least make a regular legion battle report channel. To help promote its product. With really nice terrain and nicely painted models.

There's so many 40k and AOS channels out there, with sweet production quality, that legion just looks irrelevant.

Got a handful of people in my area into it at first, but now anyone else I try to introduce would rather play 40k.

It's a real shame.

On 9/25/2020 at 4:36 PM, Khobai said:

The sequel movies were absolutely atrocious I dont see how anyone could rate any of them higher than an F

They are my favourite movies... you know why? They are the first movie (force awakens) that my son ever saw in theatre. And he sat there in wide eyed awe, loving every moment. So as much as I remember loving star wars myself as a kid, every single memory pales in comparison to the ones of me taking my son to see a star wars film in theatre. He loves them, because I love star wars, and it is a common bond between us.

They have further cemented my sons love of star wars, so they are A++ in my books.

On 9/25/2020 at 9:52 PM, Atromix said:

I would kill for a First Order faction, then I could complete my trifecta of cool bad guy factions with the CIS, Empire and FO. Plus I absolutely love the look of the FO helmets and the aesthetic of the faction as a whole, coming across as a lot more fanatical than the Empire.

Right?! I fully agree. The First Order troopers look very good. A lot of the ground vehicles too. I love the treadspeeder.

12 hours ago, lologrelol said:

It's a shame all the youtube battle report channels are really bad.

You'd think FFG would at least make a regular legion battle report channel. To help promote its product. With really nice terrain and nicely painted models.

There's so many 40k and AOS channels out there, with sweet production quality, that legion just looks irrelevant.

Got a handful of people in my area into it at first, but now anyone else I try to introduce would rather play 40k.

It's a real shame.

I cant speak for Warhammer channels, but I really enjoy War Corgi's Batreps, they are what got me into legion seriously.